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On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.
Dimaga is just as good as most of the Korean Zergs. Also why do all of these people think korean zergs are doing well? Terrans have been dominating the Korean scene aswell..... So much ignorance
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First of all I don't want to post about balance/imbalance of ZvT, I don't see it but I suck, so my voice doesn't matter.
However....
For all of you who wait for the patch "soon", ask your friends who play WOW to tell you what how long blizzard takes to patch bugs/imbalance  http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon is famous and even used as a joke by blizzard comunite managers on forum. Community screams? Protests? Emo? No way! Blizzard has it's own schedule.
I realize that SC2 esport is larger then wow (tournament money wise), but playing wow for a long time I cannot believe Blizzard will change something just because someone well know in community, hell even large group of players, go emo. It already happened in WOW, if you don't believe me, ask your friends. They will change something only when they will think it IS wrong and they have proof of that in hard numbers.
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On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.
Terran's are owning in Korea too.
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On August 15 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:26 ArvickHero wrote:On August 15 2010 04:21 gustavo wrote:So lets say DIMAGA practices Terran for the next 6 months, and then Terran gets nerfed. Where is he then? Playing a race because of balance in a game environment where it's going to change monthly is ridiculous. He is probably hoping blizzard will improve balance and not shift the balance too far one side or another, but who knows how long it will take blizzard to change the game, they are pretty stubborn with some things. Indeed, look at Orc in WC3 -__- Orc aren't overpowered, other races just haven't realized they can press space to make units fly. But I have a serious question for all ya'll TLER's. I hear that in Korea/Asia Zerg is actually the dominant race now and I know from previous threads that that's partly why Zerg got so many nerfs in Beta. So is it just in NA/Europe that Zerg's are doing bad, or is Asia starting to slump to? And the most important question:Why is it different?
Nope, Korean zergs are getting some heavy beating. In a very recent SC2 event (GOMtv Star2Gather), Zerg scored the least. This event involved some of the very best like Cool and Check (though I secretly think Check is very over rated :D) Korea too, is flooding with Protoss now that it can do very decent against the other two races. Check said himself that it's very depressing and he loses a lot to both T's and P's. Garimto's WTA #2 is also full of P and full of all-in's 
On August 15 2010 04:45 Go0g3n wrote:
No novelties here, Zerg was extremely overpowered back in 1999 until Brood War came out, then it kind of shifted to Terran until they balanced it back by adding +1 armor on Lurkers.
Nope, it was protoss dominant because they didnt have micro to over come the simplicity and flexibility of gateway. Terran wasn't popular until about a year from when Boxer started to dominate tournaments (2001).
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On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.
zerg sucks in Korea too
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I understand what hes saying and its his decision if he wants to switch or not but I think he should wait a little longer. In the beginning of beta zerg was dominating and then terrans got tons of buffs so now theya re dominating. Im pretty sure blizzard will fix the balance soon enough so dimaga should just be patient.
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On August 15 2010 04:37 SichuanPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:30 HardcoreBilly wrote:
Guys, all these people from TL who tell me they're gosus tell me that Zerg is fine, it's just that Zergs don't use burrow, nydus worm, brood lords, roach, mutas, zerglings, hydras, evo chambers, and crawlers enough. And frankly, I'm sure these TL users have more credentials than Sheth, Idra, and Dimaga, simply because the TL users are diamond league.
Learn to play, and QQ more. Learn to not be a complete and utter moron. The MU has it problems. Accept it. Zerg should not have to delay the game until 3 to 4 bases and get Ultra/Broodlord/Corrupter and maybe even some Infesters to counter a Terran tier 2.5 army. If this remains true then the MU is imbalanced. If you can't understand that then you clearly haven't played more than maybe fifteen or twenty games as either of the two races in the MU. And if you want to talk about QQ, well you're the one bitching that people don't agree with your unfounded narrow minded view. Hence making you sir the QQer.
you know he was trollin, right?
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On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.
APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what.
On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent.
On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. zerg sucks in Korea too
FOR SURE
http://sc2ranks.com/
Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source.
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On August 15 2010 04:39 SichuanPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:38 Brad wrote:
Ladder doesn't really mean anything to a player the caliber of DIMAGA. He has a 74% win percentage on the ladder. This is about tournament play. Thank you for pointing this out for all the idiots that like to start flame wars. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:39 Brad wrote:On August 15 2010 04:37 SichuanPanda wrote:On August 15 2010 04:30 HardcoreBilly wrote:
Guys, all these people from TL who tell me they're gosus tell me that Zerg is fine, it's just that Zergs don't use burrow, nydus worm, brood lords, roach, mutas, zerglings, hydras, evo chambers, and crawlers enough. And frankly, I'm sure these TL users have more credentials than Sheth, Idra, and Dimaga, simply because the TL users are diamond league.
Learn to play, and QQ more. Learn to not be a complete and utter moron. The MU has it problems. Accept it. Zerg should not have to delay the game until 3 to 4 bases and get Ultra/Broodlord/Corrupter and maybe even some Infesters to counter a Terran tier 2.5 army. If this remains true then the MU is imbalanced. If you can't understand that then you clearly haven't played more than maybe fifteen or twenty games as either of the two races in the MU. And if you want to talk about QQ, well you're the one bitching that people don't agree with your unfounded narrow minded view. Hence making you sir the QQer. He's being sarcastic. No he isn't. And if he is then guess what, to the both of you. You cannot tell the tone of someones wall of text. Don't try and be sarcastic on a forum, just makes you look like a tool.
Detecting sarcasm and outright mockery has never been your strongpoint.
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Reminds me of when Grubby was depressed about the Orcs and wanted to change race.
Then Lyn beat Moon 4-0 and Grubby thought "maybe the Orcs are fine, just have to use them differently". Hence the supposed race change never occurred.
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IdrA switched race because Zerg suited his macro play-style. He even tweeted how ridiculously strong Storm was.
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This is really depressing.
as a Zerg player since Early March, the steady decline of Zerg since Late Phase 1 is finally reaching rock bottom rather soon, myself, play about 10 diamond ladder games a day, and am currently one of the only Zergs in my top 25. Sometimes I feel like giving up, but I watch players like Dimaga and they keep me going.
This is a huge blow to Zerg, and I hope it catches Blizzards attention.
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On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent. Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source.
Not going to dig through thousands of posts to find it, but he said it right here on TL back during the early beta v_v.
But because I'm unwilling to dig through posts to prove it, I guess I'll concede this argument.
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On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent. Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. zerg sucks in Korea too FOR SURE http://sc2ranks.com/ Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source.
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/
This is how the Korean community feels about zerg
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terran is not OP. Dimaga just sucks...
Jk lol as much as I am a starcraft fan. Terran has some ridiculous units ie marauders.
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As a zerg player I don't like this But I do understand it though, good luck playing terran dimaga
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On August 15 2010 04:53 Nokarot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent. Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source. Not going to dig through thousands of posts to find it, but he said it right here on TL back during the early beta v_v. But because I'm unwilling to dig through posts to prove it, I guess I'll concede this argument.
were the roaches nerfed at this time? Id say toss is UP vs phase 1 beta terran (mauraders had concussive right away, etc)/zerg (roaches).
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Who the hell come up with the idea of Zerg doing well in Korea? please post sources/links/replays. And not those, where Check plays with a bunch of nonames.
They were doing well back in the beginning of phase 1. before roach nerf and everything else.
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man .. i switched from protoss to zerg and realized terran is so easy to win games :X i am a macro player >_>
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i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.
If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.
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