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schisch
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
August 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#141
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#142
On August 15 2010 05:01 cive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:54 floor exercise wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.


APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what.

On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.


I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style.


Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent.


On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.

zerg sucks in Korea too


FOR SURE
http://sc2ranks.com/

Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source.


http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/

This is how the Korean community feels about zerg


Red one is Zerg(저그). Green is Terran(테란). Blue is toss(프로토스). Purple (?) is none(없음;I think its all good.)
This is a poll on which race do you think is the weakest. Longer bar means more vote on the race.

The latest poll shows 67.2% zerg (86 votes), 14.1% Terran (18 votes), 16.4% Protoss (21 votes) and can't see on the purple.

Just in case people cant read Korean
yea but is it over or under powered;P
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
SpiDaH
Profile Joined March 2010
France198 Posts
August 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#143
No worries Dimaga, you will still be one of my fav players if you do this. Results > fun.
Southside
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10 Posts
August 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#144
On August 15 2010 04:17 Sheth wrote:
I also have played over 70~ games as Terran on ladder. I fully support you Dimaga. Hopefully we will both be back to the swarm. Best of luck with your terran!


Damn you to sheth qq.
I'ma rep southside, and get high the day i stop is the day i die.
Naught
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Denmark59 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:07:41
August 14 2010 20:07 GMT
#145
I honestly think the game is good and balanced as it is, no need to whine about it. If anything, the queens need a range nerf on their attacks, cuz they are ridiculous.
'Why kill Menkus!?' - MC
bugball
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain8 Posts
August 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#146
On August 15 2010 05:00 Brad wrote:
Tier 1.5 Lurker! I kid myself ;(



and tier 3 dark swarm + consume to infestor- > T turtrilng solverd



oh god why i have to write this, im kidding my self too :S
peee pee poo poo
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
August 14 2010 20:08 GMT
#147
On August 15 2010 04:56 purerythem wrote:
i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.

If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.


i really dont like this argument

effort involved should not have any effect on balance decisions unless its in regards to "the only way to beat this is literally humanly impossible"

terran takes way more mechanical skill than protoss in brood war, i guess its time to buff terran right?

c. viper takes ridiculous amounts more execution than balrog, i guess c viper must be a bad character

etc.

what the hell goes on below absolute peak levels of execution does not matter. if z takes 6000x more effort than t but both races have an equal shot at winning at the professional level then it doesn't matter, because its balanced. effort required should always be the last thing considered in balance.

im not taking a side in this argument because its just silly but this line of arguing sucks.
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
August 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#148
As much as I understand his employer pressure to produce, this is a sign of a resigned player who simply doesn't want to innovate any more =(.
Too tired to come up with something witty.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:09 GMT
#149
everyone saying zerg is the dominant race in korea must be a fly or something

the best two korean zergs freedom and cool switched to p and t and there was 1 zerg in the top 8 of wta takedown

those rankings are bs, rather watch at the official rankings
in europe top 7 are like 6 terrans
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
August 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#150
On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:43 Slunk wrote:
Well, is anyone surprised? Dimaga is like 33% of zerg players in high level SC2. Who is there besides him and Idra? Maybe Haypro... he wasn't even in Beta Kind Tournament. And Sen? I haven't seen him play in ages.


Not even close. Look at Korea's zerg, foreigners say "BLABLA MUTA IS HARD TO USE" and then you load up a Korean Zerg replay and he uses muta more then effectively. I don't think balance is the issue.

It doesn't matter how many players play zerg / terran / protoss, it matters how good they are. ALOT of players play zerg just fine. I don't see what the problem is.


The problem is that I don't give a damn about what korean people are doing right now (as long Liquid is still in europe). I like to watch casted tournaments and stuff like that and zergs are really going to be under represented if it goes on like this. There are too many terran scrubs right now winning games who will be sooo gone in half a year. Kinda like Hasuobs or Orb during early beta protoss reign.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#151
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?

why do non koreans claim to know anything about the korean community's thoughts
when in reality
they know absolutely nothing
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#152
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
August 14 2010 20:10 GMT
#153
The way I read the article:

In Dimaga's opinion he will get better results with Terran, and there are issues with zerg that cause him to consider playing T.

But what everyone seems to miss is that it is not so much about that, but more about the lack of information coming from blizzard.

"unless there is at least an announcement of the new patch after GOM TV Global Starcraft II League and IEM Global Challenge Gamescom"

His main problem seems to be that Blizzard has said absolutely nothing since release, blizzard hasn't stated, hey there might be some issues with Zerg, we are looking into it, or we are testing stuff for a balance patch.

For all we/dimaga know blizzard could even be working on a patch to nerf Z and buff T (okay, probably not, but we don't know).

It looks more like a call-out to blizzard that says "Hey blizzard, could you atleast let us know something" instead of a "I am guaranteed to switch T".

But I could be wrong.

Anyway, if he does switch it's gonna be a sad day for Z, he was one of the best Z's and one of the more influential zerg's.

I couldn't care less about Idra switching T or not, but if dimaga does go trough with it, then for me it is a big signal that there might be something wrong with Z at the top-level.
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
August 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#154
On August 15 2010 05:08 Tropics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:56 purerythem wrote:
i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.

If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.


i really dont like this argument
if z takes 6000x more effort than t but both races have an equal shot at winning at the professional level then it doesn't matter, because its balanced. effort required should always be the last thing considered in balance.



Thats gotta be the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#155
On August 15 2010 05:08 Tropics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:56 purerythem wrote:
i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.

If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.


i really dont like this argument

effort involved should not have any effect on balance decisions unless its in regards to "the only way to beat this is literally humanly impossible"

terran takes way more mechanical skill than protoss in brood war, i guess its time to buff terran right?

c. viper takes ridiculous amounts more execution than balrog, i guess c viper must be a bad character

etc.

what the hell goes on below absolute peak levels of execution does not matter. if z takes 6000x more effort than t but both races have an equal shot at winning at the professional level then it doesn't matter, because its balanced. effort required should always be the last thing considered in balance.

im not taking a side in this argument because its just silly but this line of arguing sucks.


a game should actually be fair and funny to everyone
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
August 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#156
lol dimaga switching race surely doesn't mean something is wrong with Z, it only means he's not confortable with it. There are a lot of very succesful zerg players out there so figure out
Twitter : http://twitter.com/CARNDARAK
schisch
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
August 14 2010 20:12 GMT
#157
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people
tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
August 14 2010 20:14 GMT
#158
On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


Two very well known zergs.

On August 15 2010 05:12 cArn- wrote:
lol dimaga switching race surely doesn't mean something is wrong with Z, it only means he's not confortable with it. There are a lot of very succesful zerg players out there so figure out


The successful zerg players know theres something wrong. You do not.
purerythem
Profile Joined June 2009
United States245 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:15:26
August 14 2010 20:15 GMT
#159
On August 15 2010 05:08 Tropics wrote:

what the hell goes on below absolute peak levels of execution does not matter. if z takes 6000x more effort than t but both races have an equal shot at winning at the professional level then it doesn't matter, because its balanced. effort required should always be the last thing considered in balance.



if you pay attention to tournament results, than you'll see both races definitely do not have an equal change at winning.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:15 GMT
#160
On August 15 2010 05:12 cArn- wrote:
lol dimaga switching race surely doesn't mean something is wrong with Z, it only means he's not confortable with it. There are a lot of very succesful zerg players out there so figure out


tell me 1 player except for idra
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