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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 14 2010 19:41 GMT
#81
On August 15 2010 04:38 The_Pacifist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:37 SichuanPanda wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:30 HardcoreBilly wrote:
Guys, all these people from TL who tell me they're gosus tell me that Zerg is fine, it's just that Zergs don't use burrow, nydus worm, brood lords, roach, mutas, zerglings, hydras, evo chambers, and crawlers enough. And frankly, I'm sure these TL users have more credentials than Sheth, Idra, and Dimaga, simply because the TL users are diamond league.

Learn to play, and QQ more.


Learn to not be a complete an utter moron. The MU has it problems. Accept it. Zerg should not have to delay the game until 3 to 4 bases and get Ultra/Broodlord/Corrupter and maybe even some Infesters to counter a Terran tier 2.5 army. If this remains true then the MU is imbalanced. If you can't understand that then you clearly haven't played more than maybe fifteen or twenty games as either of the two races in the MU. And if you want to talk about QQ, well you're the one bitching that people don't agree with your unfounded narrow minded view. Hence making you sir the QQer.


Uh, SichuanPanda, you realize he's just trolling, right? Well, not so much trolling as it is over-the-top sarcasm...


Maybe SichuanPanda's going even further over the top. We're talking meta trolling here. This is the kind of out of the box thinking that zerg players need to employ if they want to be competitive.

I'm thinking, abuse mobility WHILE tech switching. No can defend.
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:43:47
August 14 2010 19:41 GMT
#82
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right? And, I could be mistaken, but didn't TLO start playing Terran at certain events which forced him to pick instead of random? He may not have done it because he felt it was 'the' strongest race (maybe 'his' strongest race) but in the end he's made a switch before, too.

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.
beep beep boop
KenShi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)28 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:42:20
August 14 2010 19:41 GMT
#83
On August 15 2010 04:40 EximoSua2 wrote:
Dimaga's games have been less than impressive since release. It's not a problem with his race, he just isn't that good. He got popular for doing the Baneling Bust and since then everyone surpassed him, and now he feels he must blame Blizzard.

You are a fucking retard to put it bluntly

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iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:43:43
August 14 2010 19:42 GMT
#84
I played a very good zerg player last night that completely rolled me (I am 800 diamond, he is higher I believe) and he really seemed to have the matchup figured out. We talked and he explained that most korean terran pros are now okay with the ZvT matchup and are having tons of problems with the ZvP matchup which many consider imbalanced.

I don't know, just another perspective. However, Dimaga is being pathetic for complaining that there are no changes so shortly after the game's release. You can't just force in the stupid kind of changes we see on the boards all the time. Zerg lategame is VERY imbalanced against Terran. Ultras have literally no counter short of battlecruisers which are just stupid to build against any Z who is smart enough to make corrupters. If the early-midgame ceases to favor Terran, I don't see how the matchup won't be completely broken.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
KenShi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)28 Posts
August 14 2010 19:42 GMT
#85
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.

IdrA switched because it fit his playstyle not because of balance~
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 14 2010 19:43 GMT
#86
On August 15 2010 04:39 SichuanPanda wrote:
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On August 15 2010 04:38 Brad wrote:
Ladder doesn't really mean anything to a player the caliber of DIMAGA. He has a 74% win percentage on the ladder. This is about tournament play.


Thank you for pointing this out for all the idiots that like to start flame wars.


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:39 Brad wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:37 SichuanPanda wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:30 HardcoreBilly wrote:
Guys, all these people from TL who tell me they're gosus tell me that Zerg is fine, it's just that Zergs don't use burrow, nydus worm, brood lords, roach, mutas, zerglings, hydras, evo chambers, and crawlers enough. And frankly, I'm sure these TL users have more credentials than Sheth, Idra, and Dimaga, simply because the TL users are diamond league.

Learn to play, and QQ more.


Learn to not be a complete and utter moron. The MU has it problems. Accept it. Zerg should not have to delay the game until 3 to 4 bases and get Ultra/Broodlord/Corrupter and maybe even some Infesters to counter a Terran tier 2.5 army. If this remains true then the MU is imbalanced. If you can't understand that then you clearly haven't played more than maybe fifteen or twenty games as either of the two races in the MU. And if you want to talk about QQ, well you're the one bitching that people don't agree with your unfounded narrow minded view. Hence making you sir the QQer.


He's being sarcastic.



No he isn't. And if he is then guess what, to the both of you. You cannot tell the tone of someones wall of text. Don't try and be sarcastic on a forum, just makes you look like a tool.

I thought it was pretty obvious.
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
August 14 2010 19:43 GMT
#87
Well, is anyone surprised? Dimaga is like 33% of zerg players in high level SC2. Who is there besides him and Idra? Maybe Haypro... he wasn't even in Beta Kind Tournament. And Sen? I haven't seen him play in ages.
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:46:26
August 14 2010 19:43 GMT
#88
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.


I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style.

On August 15 2010 04:43 Slunk wrote:
Well, is anyone surprised? Dimaga is like 33% of zerg players in high level SC2. Who is there besides him and Idra? Maybe Haypro... he wasn't even in Beta Kind Tournament. And Sen? I haven't seen him play in ages.


Not even close. Look at Korea's zerg, foreigners say "BLABLA MUTA IS HARD TO USE" and then you load up a Korean Zerg replay and he uses muta more then effectively. I don't think balance is the issue.

It doesn't matter how many players play zerg / terran / protoss, it matters how good they are. ALOT of players play zerg just fine. I don't see what the problem is.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
August 14 2010 19:43 GMT
#89
On August 15 2010 04:40 EximoSua2 wrote:
Dimaga's games have been less than impressive since release. It's not a problem with his race, he just isn't that good. He got popular for doing the Baneling Bust and since then everyone surpassed him, and now he feels he must blame Blizzard.

lol ur clueless
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
August 14 2010 19:43 GMT
#90
On August 15 2010 04:40 EximoSua2 wrote:
Dimaga's games have been less than impressive since release. It's not a problem with his race, he just isn't that good. He got popular for doing the Baneling Bust and since then everyone surpassed him, and now he feels he must blame Blizzard.


I agree with this. I saw Dimaga vs TLO recently, and Dimaga really played crap. He got his macro going, but his micro really lacked in that game, allowing TLO to go in with hellions after hellions to destroy his saturated third. He could easily have blocked this with some clever play. I've seen Machine stop hellion harras with 6 lings and a queen.

Dimaga needs to step up his game. Not that Im saying ZvT is fine, just saying Dimaga can do so much more with zerg.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
August 14 2010 19:44 GMT
#91
On August 15 2010 04:43 Slunk wrote:
Well, is anyone surprised? Dimaga is like 33% of zerg players in high level SC2. Who is there besides him and Idra? Maybe Haypro... he wasn't even in Beta Kind Tournament. And Sen? I haven't seen him play in ages.

Sen was streaming today lol
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
August 14 2010 19:44 GMT
#92
Just do it dimaga.

I could go from mid-plat as zerg to high-diamond as terran. But if you're at dimagas level i doubt that the easier macro mechanic and other imba stuff have such a huge impact and will INSTANTLY grant you more success.
For someone playing this game as a hobby like me the biggest reason were the units. I love the zerg style, but the zerg units are just "boring" in comparison to some of the terran units.

I love reapers, banshees, hellions, medivacs and ghosts. So much more fun playing terran.

This statement by dimaga shows me one of the worse sides of pro-gaming. The progamers are cursed to win and in such a situation dimaga may feel forced to take such action even if he loves zerg deep down.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
August 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#93
On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.


I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style.


Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent.
beep beep boop
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:45:51
August 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#94
No novelties here, Zerg was extremely overpowered back in 1999 until Brood War came out, then it kind of shifted to Terran until they balanced it back by adding +1 armor on Lurkers.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:45:37
August 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#95
Maybe sAviOr should of played Terran, then he wouldn't of gotten so good at Zerg.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15721 Posts
August 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#96
This is so silly...Anyone who has been around competitive RTS long enough knows that every race is imbalanced/Underpowered at some point. Anyone play WC3 during early ROC/TFT? Night Elf was just as bad as Terran is now, but that changed. Every race was imabalanced/weak at one point.

If Dimaga just feels like he'd sync better with Terran, that's not so bad. But switching because of imbalance will just make you switch constantly.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 19:46:37
August 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#97
It's a shame, but I can't hold the switch against Dimaga. He's an excellent Zerg player, and I hope he comes back if an effective balance patch is ever released. I don't play Starcraft 2 on a professional level so I'm content with waiting for a patch, but I can understand Dimaga's decision and hope Dimaga's switch alerts Blizzard that there is a fundamental flaw with the Zerg race.
rip passion
Iggyhopper
Profile Joined July 2010
United States259 Posts
August 14 2010 19:46 GMT
#98
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
August 14 2010 19:46 GMT
#99
Sen was a god among Z players. His ZvT was shockingly strong, and if Zerg players used him as a role model instead of idrA I think there'd be a lot less whining and a lot more winning.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
August 14 2010 19:47 GMT
#100
On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.


I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style.


Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent.

What? He switched to zerg because protoss didn't fit his style. Protoss is a lot about aggression and 1 base play and IdrA has always been a macro player.

And he didn't really even main protoss for a "decent period of time", it was what, a week or two?
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