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Champi
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
his comments about terran harass + expand is spot on. Z has to play a flawless game if he wants to survive, meanwhile T can expand and cook up any off 90 strategies, meanwhile Z is very predictable at this stage of the game. atleast in terms of unit compositions. dimaga and idra are leagues better than most players at IEM, clearly. not taking anything away from morrow he is an amazing player, alltthrough beta and retail he has been the one making builds that the terran scumbags down the foodchain have been stealing. =) | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 23 2010 21:57 arnold(soTa) wrote: dimaga and idra are leagues better than most players at IEM, clearly. If you're a better player, you win the game. So yeah, in the games they won they played better than their opponent. But hinting that you need to be some sort of mastermind to win ZvT isn't cool. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
On August 23 2010 22:11 gillon wrote: If you're a better player, you win the game. So yeah, in the games they won they played better than their opponent. But hinting that you need to be some sort of mastermind to win ZvT isn't cool. I wasnt hinting anything, I was clearly stating a fact that Z is inferior to T, is this shocking to you? | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 23 2010 22:18 arnold(soTa) wrote: I wasnt hinting anything, I was clearly stating a fact that Z is inferior to T, is this shocking to you? No, what's shocking is how someone can state absolute balance differences after such short time and with no substanstial evidence. Now, let me ask you, does this shock you? | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:02 gillon wrote: No, what's shocking is how someone can state absolute balance differences after such short time and with no substanstial evidence. Now, let me ask you, does this shock you? There was an interview with Morrow, [b]the terran winner of IEM/b], saying that he thinks that the reaper opening needs a nerf and that's it's too strong. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:02 gillon wrote: No, what's shocking is how someone can state absolute balance differences after such short time and with no substanstial evidence. Now, let me ask you, does this shock you? no it doesnt shock me in the slighest, people are often clueless. let me ask you what you think the reason behind dimagas potential racechange is? Terran is more fun? terran gets all the ladies? its obviously an imbalance issue. Did you read the OP ? have you read the transcibed interview with dimaga? obviously he feels terran has an edge. so we should just hold out until 10 years on discussing balance? game would not progress at all. besides, the game has been out for queite a while, also there was a several months long beta test. Maybe you didnt play that. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:06 MoreFasho wrote: There was an interview with Morrow, [b]the terran winner of IEM/b], saying that he thinks that the reaper opening needs a nerf and that's it's too strong. I like how Morrow is direct with balance issues which might hurt his own race. Remember him confirming that 9/10 rax rush with scvs IS imba back when there were debates about it. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:12 arnold(soTa) wrote: no it doesnt shock me in the slighest, people are often clueless. let me ask you what you think the reason behind dimagas potential racechange is? Terran is more fun? terran gets all the ladies? its obviously an imbalance issue. Did you read the OP ? have you read the transcibed interview with dimaga? obviously he feels terran has an edge. so we should just hold out until 10 years on discussing balance? game would not progress at all. besides, the game has been out for queite a while, also there was a several months long beta test. Maybe you didnt play that. No, but you can't go blindly around changing shit. This is obvious. You can't change something until you've tried out the changes, know they don't break other shit AND have the data to support it. Blizzard can't just go HURR BALANCING TIME because Dimaga does an interview, now can they? Sure the game might need fine tuning, it's obviously not perfectly balanced. That's impossible to achieve. But people are blowing these tiny differences WAY out of proportion. Before reaper openings people cried about other things, it's the same old FOTM bullshit. And FYI, I played beta since patch 6. | ||
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911insidejob
United States39 Posts
I was a terran player in BW and I can say I am happy with the changes, they finally made a balanced game as opposed to an imba game like BW. The problem with terran in BW was that terran couldnt freely move its army, like a protoss or a zerg player could do. This was the main imbalance in my view, it was a meta game issue, not necessarily related to unit damage. in SC2 they fixed that with the marauder, a much needed unit that now gives the terran the ability to move out without having mines in place and turrets up. I think alot of the whining comes from protoss and zerg players who wanted to continue to beat up on the weaker terran race. They are upset because they no longer have an easy target that they can just go proxy DT every 1/3.5 games and get a free win. Not sure why Zerg are whining, but I think for similar reasons, they want their muta stack back. zerg and protoss are not very creative races, they just want to get their mutas or their DT's out and end the game then. I think thats why a majority of them are struggling because instead of watching their replays and thinking, what can I do better, or what is a good counter to this strategy, they come on the forums and wonder about when the "balancing" is going to take place. the balancing has already taken place, it was called beta. If you look @ who the top players are, I know the korean zergs are absolutely crushing. the #1 player American player is Huk, a protoss. The next 2 top players are both non-terrans, Slush, whos a zerg, and TT1, a protoss. you dont even have a single terran in the top 3. Most of the people crying for terran to be nerfed, you need to have your patience pants on. there is no need for a patch, and the game is balanced. | ||
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Blackjackbob
Canada164 Posts
You realized you have just called BW an unbalanced game? Statistics show (even if you say it was the maps that balanced it) that is is quite possibly the most balanced RTS game....Ever. On another note I'm not one of those people that feel there is too much imbalance but I'm also not a top level diamond (just mid level). | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:16 911insidejob wrote: I hear alot of whining about how terran is imba and people expected a patch within the first week?? I was a terran player in BW and I can say I am happy with the changes, they finally made a balanced game as opposed to an imba game like BW. The problem with terran in BW was that terran couldnt freely move its army, like a protoss or a zerg player could do. This was the main imbalance in my view, it was a meta game issue, not necessarily related to unit damage. in SC2 they fixed that with the marauder, a much needed unit that now gives the terran the ability to move out without having mines in place and turrets up. I think alot of the whining comes from protoss and zerg players who wanted to continue to beat up on the weaker terran race. They are upset because they no longer have an easy target that they can just go proxy DT every 1/3.5 games and get a free win. Not sure why Zerg are whining, but I think for similar reasons, they want their muta stack back. zerg and protoss are not very creative races, they just want to get their mutas or their DT's out and end the game then. I think thats why a majority of them are struggling because instead of watching their replays and thinking, what can I do better, or what is a good counter to this strategy, they come on the forums and wonder about when the "balancing" is going to take place. the balancing has already taken place, it was called beta. If you look @ who the top players are, I know the korean zergs are absolutely crushing. the #1 player American player is Huk, a protoss. The next 2 top players are both non-terrans, Slush, whos a zerg, and TT1, a protoss. you dont even have a single terran in the top 3. Most of the people crying for terran to be nerfed, you need to have your patience pants on. there is no need for a patch, and the game is balanced. You cannot be serious. Terran the weak BW race. Good Lord did you ever follow BW? | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:15 gillon wrote: No, but you can't go blindly around changing shit. This is obvious. You can't change something until you've tried out the changes, know they don't break other shit AND have the data to support it. Blizzard can't just go HURR BALANCING TIME because Dimaga does an interview, now can they? Sure the game might need fine tuning, it's obviously not perfectly balanced. That's impossible to achieve. But people are blowing these tiny differences WAY out of proportion. Before reaper openings people cried about other things, it's the same old FOTM bullshit. And FYI, I played beta since patch 6. who said _anything_ about changing things hurriedly or blindly..or anything..I just stated a fact about the game. I did not propose any solutions because I know I am not a professional gamedeveloper, blizzard will fix it I have great faith..I dont like how you imply that Im a flavor of the month (yes I got your retarded abbreviation) complainer, terran OP against Z runs deeper than reapers.. Tiny differences or not, they matter a lot and add up. past balancechanges have proven that tiny changes can drasticlly alter the game. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Even the name 911insidejob is epic. | ||
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:25 Klive5ive wrote: Ahahaha Even the name 911insidejob is epic. Yup, probably the most hilarious post I've seen in a while. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
/facepalm | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On August 23 2010 09:05 Bosko wrote: Really? Because I think its ridiculous that zerg can make units to defend 5 rax and expand and tech and live vs 5 rax reaper. Fuck, you know what it is, you guys are confusing skill with attitude. Just because Idra acts like the worlds best sc2 player doesn't mean he is. A lot of people think he is the best because they don't know any better. They just believe what everyone else says. However, he is really good. He knows what he's talking about and, seriously, he really is good. I wouldn't call him the best, but I wouldn't call anyone in sc2 the best. I would call Flash and JD the best of BW. In sc2, we have no best. And anyway, I'm glad that MorroW won. The only thing I know about him previously is an interview from the last TSL that I read and he seemed like a pretty cool guy. And then, at the IEM, he calculated his play and controlled his emotions on stage. That's a guy I can root for. Idra, on the other hand, is encouraged by his fans to behave rudely and doesn't mind that he's representing the states while he's doing it. Even though I'm a diehard zerg fan and always root for them, I can't find myself rooting for Idra. I don't mind as much that Idra slips up and rages; who doesn't? I do mind when he endorses it. I'd rather he just apologized and admitted he was wrong. But with his growing fanbase encouraging his foul manners, it seems like he's just getting worse. | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:02 gillon wrote: No, what's shocking is how someone can state absolute balance differences after such short time and with no substanstial evidence. Now, let me ask you, does this shock you? This isn't somesort of criminal prosecution about whether TvZ is imbalanced or not. There is no jury required some unanimous verdict before anyone will believe it. All that is required is that the majority of people agree that TvZ is imbalanced in favour of Terran. It is pretty apparent by the gazillion imba posts here everyday and by testimonials from every single top player saying that the MU is imba that it is it infact imba. If you are looking for evidence though there is plenty of it. Statistics, testimonials from experts, tournament results all point to one conclusion, that Zerg is too weak. The only real piece of evidence that is missing is somesort of DNA evidence just to put the nail in coffin. It isn't even an argument or a debate anymore, Zerg is too weak, Blizzard are obviously going to buff them and until then the best thing the community can do is keep telling Blizzard about the problem to make sure they understand in what ways the matchup is broken, so that the changes they make are the best ones. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
very useful talent toi have | ||
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