EPTDimaga may switch to Terran - Page 30
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chekthehek
United States279 Posts
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Doc Daneeka
United States577 Posts
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Grond
599 Posts
On August 15 2010 16:19 freshiie22 wrote: sighh i play terran ( about 500 plat) i do feel there is and imbalance with T atm, but what will blizzard do about it. i mean they dont wana break terran but at the same time they shud hurry cuz SC2 as an esport is growing thinn That's a bit of a quandry, there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Possibly because every unit Terran has is OP to some degree right now. What really stands out in my opinion is the bonus damage and splash damage. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On August 15 2010 16:19 chekthehek wrote: Koreans actually vote: Zerg <<< Protoss < Terran. I'm getting tired of linking that.really, how many posts in this thread refer to koreans not thinking zerg is underpowered? ![[image loading]](http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8291/koreastats.jpg) Their forums are also full of cry and suggestions for Terran nerfs and Zerg buffs. If we were still in Beta testing period, Blizzard would have released 5 balancing patches by now. But they seem to have committed to some period without balance patching after release - they probably also look at the worldwide stats of how many people completed the campaign etc. Meanwhile the pro-scene may look funny for a while, but it won't last forever. (i.e. Blizzard will fix it eventually) | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On August 15 2010 15:39 kajeus wrote: Hi, I have agreed in every post in this thread that zerg is underpowered. IdrA lying about ladder statistics doesn't help anything. Thanks, Kajeus Your name is RIGHT ABOVE YOUR POST you dont need to fucking sign it at the end of your post too | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
I played a very good zerg player last night that completely rolled me (I am 800 diamond, he is higher I believe) and he really seemed to have the matchup figured out. We talked and he explained that most korean terran pros are now okay with the ZvT matchup and are having tons of problems with the ZvP matchup which many consider imbalanced. I don't know, just another perspective. However, Dimaga is being pathetic for complaining that there are no changes so shortly after the game's release. You can't just force in the stupid kind of changes we see on the boards all the time. Zerg lategame is VERY imbalanced against Terran. Ultras have literally no counter short of battlecruisers which are just stupid to build against any Z who is smart enough to make corrupters. If the early-midgame ceases to favor Terran, I don't see how the matchup won't be completely broken. i really doubt your 800+ diamond judging from that sentence in bold. that are you are just biased as shit and blatantly ignore what the terran arsenal has. you are saying the only way to counter ultras is to build battlecruisers? you must have forggotten that marauders and thors 350MM cannons rip a new hole in ultras. not to mention unsieged tanks doing the major dps against the ultras. if properly microed the ultras wont even touch the thors because of 350MM cannons. and scvs will be right behind the thors for repair. also dimaga probably did the right thing by switching since he plays this game as a job and need to make money. hopefully this will show how that zergs need something done. probably need to be revamped all together. he is right to say that zerg pretty much relies on the mistakes of there opponents to win them games because thats exactly how it feels. zerg is also almost ALWAYS on the defensive if there toss or terran player is at the top of there game. the only match up zerg is actually allowed to be agressive is ZvZ... which is redundant. honestly you ppl should realize by now something is wrong with the match ups when zerg pretty much HAVE to rush to tier 2.5 units. and even whey they do get there they still pretty much loose to tier 1 units. in which case they need to rush to tier 3 units in order to actully win. and by this time tier 2 units still beat zergs tier 3 units. so the match up for bot zvt and zvp is zerg trying to rush to ultras or broodlords. and if there opponent slips up and makes a mistake then MAYBE they can win with hydras alone and take a early win. but very very rarely do u see a zerg winning early game unless there opponent tries to fast expand. and you people really think nothing is wrong with that? yet terrans can marine/marauder rush ur hatch or zealots can 2 gate rush u and win almost 50% of the time? honestly its bs. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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AyJay
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
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Pokedude1013
116 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:51 Cranberries wrote: I'm curious. If the game was perfectly balanced, two insane AI: Terran v Zerg, surely after 1000 games of TvZ insane AI the win rate would be 50/50 for both? If it's hugely in favour of one of the AI, would that "prove" an imbalanced nature of play with "two equals" where one has an advantage over another? no because it's computers who don't maximize the potential of the race :/ | ||
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Latham
9593 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:48 AyJay wrote: This situation sounds like WoW. After every major patch reroll next FOTM lol Expect a RTS game that was DEVELOPED and DESIGNED from the very first moment to be a competitive game for E-Sports can't have FOTM races. Games like WoW where PvP competitiveness isn't the main goal of the game can afford to be imbalanced and have FOTM classes. Here, it's not acceptable. The races have to be balanced, so the population spreads more or less equally between them. What would you like to see more as a spectator? Tournaments with 100% of games being TvT or tournaments having 33% of participants playing Z 33% T and 33% P? What do you think will get more viewers? Sure TvT might be "interesting" (and that's a big stretch) to watch for 1-2 months, but I GUARANTEE you it will suck balls after 6 months. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
And no, how many people that use a certain race does not prove anything at all when it comes to balance. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Phisk
166 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:48 AyJay wrote: This situation sounds like WoW. After every major patch reroll next FOTM lol This won't be possible for long. Everyone is very new to the game and switching race doesn't hurt you too much. In a year or so its going to be much much harder to switch race, as your opponents will have a year worth of experience. That being said, its imo a lot easier to race switch in SC2 than SCBW, as the play styles of the different races are less unique. | ||
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EvaristeGalois
United States58 Posts
On August 15 2010 18:01 MockHamill wrote: So far not a single proof of Terran being OP and Zerg UP has been presented. It is just a big myth without any fact to back it up. And no, how many people that use a certain race does not prove anything at all when it comes to balance. Unanimous opinions of both Terran and Zerg progamers count for nothing? | ||
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schisch
Germany123 Posts
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EvaristeGalois
United States58 Posts
On August 15 2010 18:04 schisch wrote: terra is fine Why? What argument or evidence can you present? | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 15 2010 17:59 Latham wrote: Expect a RTS game that was DEVELOPED and DESIGNED from the very first moment to be a competitive game for E-Sports can't have FOTM races. Games like WoW where PvP competitiveness isn't the main goal of the game can afford to be imbalanced and have FOTM classes. Here, it's not acceptable. The races have to be balanced, so the population spreads more or less equally between them. What would you like to see more as a spectator? Tournaments with 100% of games being TvT or tournaments having 33% of participants playing Z 33% T and 33% P? What do you think will get more viewers? Sure TvT might be "interesting" (and that's a big stretch) to watch for 1-2 months, but I GUARANTEE you it will suck balls after 6 months. pretty sure In brood war there was moment when everyone thought ZvP was broken until bisu came with his 'bisu build' and started crushing every zerg out there | ||
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Orange Goblin
218 Posts
On August 15 2010 18:01 MockHamill wrote: So far not a single proof of Terran being OP and Zerg UP has been presented. It is just a big myth without any fact to back it up. And no, how many people that use a certain race does not prove anything at all when it comes to balance. I hope this is a joke. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
He doesn't want to switch because Terran are stronger at the moment. He wants to draw Blizzard's attention to the fact that on the pro level it is next to impossible to achieve consistently good results with Zerg. Well if that was truly the case then he'd play protoss to eliminate the bias from TvZ matchups which he obviously suffers from. It's cool if he wants to play FOTM and play to win. I understand. If this cry works out for him then he can go back to playing zerg with buffs. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
I see it as more of a fun challenge to be an innovator of great zerg play rather than trying to find fixes to the game. If i play 200 games and cant win a zvt i'll really jump on the bandwagon. It is sad to watch dimaga have to do this. I miss those all in bling plays vP. Any chance he would be a matchup player? | ||
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