EPTOn August 11 2010 10:22 keV. wrote:
I guess my joke wasn't that funny.
I guess my joke wasn't that funny.
Don't worry mine wasn't either.
The Plural of "Nexus" - Page 10
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l10f
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nihlon
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On August 11 2010 10:22 keV. wrote: I guess my joke wasn't that funny. Ah sorry, It's 3:30 am and I wasn't paying attention quickly skimming over your post. Sorry.  | ||
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nuclear_nub
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Kezzer
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keV.
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On August 11 2010 10:25 nihlon wrote: Ah sorry, It's 3:30 am and I wasn't paying attention quickly skimming over your post. Sorry. np. I made myself laugh so It's a victory in my eyes. | ||
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snotboogie
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Nilrem
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On August 11 2010 10:08 Nilrem wrote: At this point, there is no point in arguing further. Since it comes down to this, your basing what is correct and incorrect is merely controlled by what certain dictionaries say. Not all dictionaries are the same, at any given time. Because of that, there is no room at all for any alterations, growth, or any change of the English language at all. Had it been your way, the English language that it was in the past, would be the exact same as it is today, since you will not acknowledge anything that it outside of the Dictionary. So now, when we have this sort of argument. The only answer you can amount to is simply this, the correct way to pluralize the word amounts to only what is presently in the dictionary, and nothing concerning the origins of the word, the desire to be consistent in pluralizing a word based upon the origins, or keeping consistent to how words have become pluralized today. There is no reason to try to explain anything else since it all amounts to, your belief in what is correct is based upon the present populous understanding of the word. I consider your argument weak because it amount to, it is in the book, therefore I believe it to be true. That is all it amounts to. It is weak because it does not even take into consideration why it is the way that it is. And if it is the way that it is, why is it not the other ways. It is weak because it does not allow for any progression or growth of the English language. It is weak because it has no solid foundation for which it is based upon. Although possibly incorrect in many areas, in my explanation of why I believe that it is not so simply, one correct way. I still strengthen the foundation of my argument by showing historical uses of the word, the origins of the word, and how to become consistent, it ought to be such and such way. Why do I not believe that the Colossus is the only way to properly pronounce it? Simply because as dictionaries presently,as in the past have shown, that is not the only potential way of pluralizing in. I am trying to be consistent with what has been shown to be in past and present, while you are being consistent in simply only believing in what is presently correct to specified dictionaries. I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not like taking it at face value. I write philosophical papers. As I do, and many philosophers have done in the past, we use language at a tool. In our attempts to write papers, we do actually make up words. These words have been and still are being added to dictionaries in the world. How do we do such a thing? We take portions of a word, combine it with other portions, in an attempt to make a word into something that is not currently used since words in dictionaries are quite limited. I help in molding and creating the language, and proud of it. You simply adapt, and that is your prerogative. But just because you live your life that way, do not be so bold in your post to squander or squash someone's attempt to try to figure out something, just because it does not match up with your dictionaries definition. You can say you believe in such and such. But do not try to tried or impede on someone else's attempt to move forward. To you first paragraph: I understand what you are saying. If anything outside of the dictionary is incorrect, then there would be no change in the language. I agree that the language has to change first, and then the dictionary has to catch up. Therefore, I guess during that period the words outside of the dictionary are correct. That doesn't, however, mean that any word you make up now is correct. Until it is accepted by the English language, which of course is a muddy thing, it still isn't correct and may well never be. I can spit right back at you and say, "hey, colosopodes and colsopodes are correct too. Just because they are not in the dictionary now doesn't mean they aren't correct English." I know that this isn't correct Greek (not that yours is), but it doesn't matter. When Greek words go into English, things can change. Are you now going to accept colsopodes as a real word? My belief of what is correct at present is indeed "based upon the present populous understanding of the word." Keep in mind that this is only with language, and not with science as you brought up. As I have stated already, language is man-made, language changes because WE want it to. If you are not basing it upon the present understanding, what are you basing it upon? Your own imagination? You bring up roots, but these are Greek and not English. Besides, if all Greek words were to apply to English in the future, how come you can't say that [random Greek word] is an English word too. English words have originated from Chinese, no? Can I start typing Chinese here and claim that it is English, because one day in the future it might be? You say that my argument is weak because I follow the book, which in turns follows the language. I understand what you mean, but the fact remains that, at the particular moment, colossopodes simply is not correct English, and neither is nexi. Can you disagree with that (please answer in your next post). At this exact moment, is nexi and colossopodes correct English? The fact is that right now, no matter how it will change in the future, they are not. Why? Because they are not in the English language. It's as simply as that. The dictionary reflects the language, and therefore I follow it. In a sense, I am following the language, and the book is only my guide. It is much stronger than what you are trying to do, which is pulling words that are correct in other languages and saying that one day these will be correct in English as well, therefore they are correct now too. You many have strong foundations, but they don't lead anywhere. There is no proof that they will lead where they lead. I come to your last paragraph, which states that "I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not like taking it at face value." Well the we are agreed. I am not saying that Colossopodes will be wrong in the future. I am not arguing what it will be, what it should be, but what it IS at this present moment. You talk about creating words, moving forward, etc. I am not in disagreement with that. But you must be moving forward from something right? I am arguing that the "something" you are moving forwards from is colossi and colossuses. You can move forward as far as you want, but I am telling you what is PRESENT. Not what it SHOULD be, but what it IS at this moment. You want to change it, go ahead. It doesn't change what it is right now though. It will only change what it will be in the future. That said, you can't claim that just because you are the pioneer of language, everything you say is, should be, or will be counted as correct English. I can combine hundreds of roots and prefixes and what not. There is a reason, however, that they are not accepted in the language. | ||
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OhJesusWOW
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Vimsey
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On August 11 2010 10:27 Nilrem wrote: Ok, enough of all this plural talk. We wont come to an agreement, that much is true. Now for the next endeavor, what rhymes with orange? Depends what your accent is innit. I know a lot of people in the south of England that say it as Oringe. | ||
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Sanguinarius
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
Hey at least we swung. And lol @ your joke. | ||
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holy_war
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
That doesn't, however, automatically make it English. If you made up a word right now, I would be CORRECT in saying that that isn't English. You're telling me that, "hey, don't stop me from progressing the language." Well I'm not. I'm not saying that the word you made up shouldn't be English. I'm not saying that it won't eventually be English. What I am saying is that it isn't at this moment, English. That is my whole point. I couldn't care less if colossopodes becomes English in the future, tomorrow even. I just want you to prove to me that colossopodes is correct English at this very moment, OR accept that it isn't. Feel free to believe that it is correct English, but you will have to provide proof beyond the "it comes from the Greek root" kind of stuff. As we all know, just because it comes from the correct Greek words doesn't make it English. Otherwise all Greek words, or all combinations as you shuffle them up, would be English, no? Question: Is or is not colossopodes an English word right now. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 11 2010 10:11 supernova wrote: –noun, plural nex·us·es, nex·us That's from dictionary.com Apparently both of those are fine while Nexi is wrong. Let me know when the bolded part is added. nexus (ˈnɛksəs) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide] — n , pl nexus 1. a means of connection between members of a group or things in a series; link; bond 2. a connected group or series 3. an anchor for a protoss colony [C17: from Latin: a binding together, from nectere to bind] | ||
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JamJoy
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Proboxen Zealoxen Coloxen Phoenoxen Void Oxen Nexonen Cybernetic Oxen | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 11 2010 10:47 nam nam wrote: Let me know when the bolded part is added. nex·us [nek-suhs] Show IPA –noun, plural nex·us·es, nex·us. 1. a means of connection; tie; link. 2. a connected series or group. 3. the core or center, as of a matter or situation. 4. Cell Biology . a specialized area of the cell membrane involved in intercellular communication and adhesion. You can have a nexus of many things. The Protoss Nexus is a nexus of psychic power where the Protoss access their psionic energy matrix. This point serves as the anchor for a Protoss colony. It isn't called a "Nexus" because it is the anchor for a Protoss colony. It is the anchor for a Protoss colony BECAUSE it's a nexus of psychic energy. Do you see where the problem with your thinking here is? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 11 2010 10:57 LegendaryZ wrote: You can have a nexus of many things. The Protoss Nexus is a nexus of psychic power where the Protoss access their psionic energy matrix. This point serves as the anchor for a Protoss colony. It isn't called a "Nexus" because it is the anchor for a Protoss colony. It is the anchor for a Protoss colony BECAUSE it's a nexus. Do you see where the problem with your thinking here is? No. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
With that understood, Nexus is a fourth-declension Latin word meaning "tying together, connecting, restraining"; the proper plural is Nexus with a long u. The standard English plural would be Nexuses, and is also perfectly licit. Nexi is an incorrect rendering based on the Latin second declension. Colossus is a second-declension Latin word meaning "a colossus, statue, larger than life"; the proper plural is thus Colossi, and the proper English plural Colossuses. Note that the word Colossus in Latin originally comes from the Greek kolossos (Greek second declension); the correct Greek plural for this would be kolossoi (not kolossopodes, which is a Greek third declension plural ending). However, given the spelling and pronunciation of the word, it is clearly taken from the Latin rather than the Greek, and so Colossoi would be incorrect. Personally, I prefer the Latin plurals, as these strike me as "more correct" or at least more true to the word's original meaning and context and its usage as a proxy for Protoss culture; however, people are free to use either the English or the Latin ones without being at all incorrect in their usage. | ||
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GxZ
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