EPTI know Terran and Toss players will say "Zerg is just as easy, just as fun, there are zero problems please divert your attention elsewhere, L2P" but for me personally i find them harder to play and less fun overall.
Why is Zerg played less? - Page 2
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United States236 Posts
I know Terran and Toss players will say "Zerg is just as easy, just as fun, there are zero problems please divert your attention elsewhere, L2P" but for me personally i find them harder to play and less fun overall. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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FuhYewL
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
I think Zerg is a fun race to play since I like to macro with them the most. In BW I liked them a lot as well. Used to do Mutalisk rushing with a decent build for the day(1999). Their mechanics are awesome and the fact you can spread creep and give your units a speed bonus is awesome. | ||
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sysrpl
United States222 Posts
Don't realize the strength of Zerg is their ability to change tech nearly instantly, and to and equal degree to overwhelm the opponent with superior numbers. Their Zerg tech change is made possible because all their units are produced at the same building, the hatchery. You don't need to build 5 spires, 5 spawning pools, 5 ultralisk caverns, ect. If a Zerg player scouts strong anti air, he can immediately switch to hydras or zerglings. The spawn larva abiliy nicely compliments this Zerg strength. If used correctly it allows Zerg players to store up lots and lots of larva which can then be combined with a tech switch. Unfortunately the Zerg tech switch doesn't seem to be used by many players. Recently when Idra played drewbie he kept making the same units over and over again (ling, ultra, with nearly zero micro) trying to force a win, all the while lamenting about his perceived Terran imbalance. When Idra finally made a tech switch to broodlords, he turned a 30 minute stalemate into a win in less than a minute. The lesson, switching tech is a key element to playing Zerg correctly. The Zerg QQ'ers would do well to learn this fact. Having said that, yes there are a few problems with Zerg. Their marco mechanic is more difficult to use than the other races, and they are punished if they don't keep on top of spawn larva. The other races have no such penalty and can catch up with their macro if they forget to drop mules or hit some building with chrono boost. The Zerg also have supply cap and unit composition problems. Due to the supply cost of most of their units, their maxed army doesn't currently constitute "a large swarm". Blizzard either needs to lower the supply cost of some Zerg unit, or introduce some other low supply cost unit. And on the subject of new Zerg units, yes I believe the Zerg needs at least one more unit. I have no idea what it should be, but the Zerg army currently is not diverse enough. This problem diminishes the tech change strength of the Zerg. Adding a new Zerg unit with a unique role would go far in helping to correct this problem. Possibly Blizzard should bring back the lurker, and make it available as a tier two upgrade (in their prior builds lurker was tier a three upgrade). I don't know what new Zerg unit is needed, but I do believe Zerg needs more diversity options. Anyhow, those are my thoughts. Take of it what you will. | ||
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Rope
Ireland45 Posts
Also, maybe people just find the protoss and terrans more visually appealing. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:22 tacrats wrote: zvt imbalance Is widely accepted aside from the noobs who dont know any better. Used to be widely accepted that cigarettes don't cause cancer. Until something is proven, it's just mass hysteria. On the other hand, there is strong evidence that zerg is not underpowered... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=14#278 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=15#283 | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:14 SpaceYeti wrote: Then why is Zerg the worst represented in Korea and Latin America? Not among the good players, go to the site and filter for top 100 korean 1v1 and you will see that zerg has the highest % in top 100 diamond | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
The fact is, the game suffers from zerg being unpopular. I don't care what race you play and what you think is balanced or unbalanced. The game is less interesting when people only play two races, when we rarely see ever see anything but TvT finals and the odd TvP That should concern you as a fan of the game. The fact that it doesn't is really alarming. I want to attribute it to this new generation of fans from WoW or something, where it's not uncommon to bash other classes to try to get yours raised up. | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:28 kajeus wrote: Used to be widely accepted that cigarettes don't cause cancer. Until something is proven, it's just mass hysteria. On the other hand, there is strong evidence that zerg is not underpowered... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=14#278 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=15#283 Thats not evidence. Keep thinking that bro. Top players (who dont play zerg) have stated many times that there is imbalance in map design as well inherent ability of zerg. There is no statistic that is going to prove imbalance, you need to understand how the game works. Unfortunately it is evident that you do not understand how the game works. | ||
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ahwala
Germany418 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:28 kajeus wrote: Used to be widely accepted that cigarettes don't cause cancer. Until something is proven, it's just mass hysteria. On the other hand, there is strong evidence that zerg is not underpowered... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=14#278 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141732¤tpage=15#283 Quote your own, stupid, already thousands of times nullified shitposts. Win percentage as well as the quote of Zerg playing Diamond say exactly NOTHING about balance. Either you are dumb as fuck or a troll User was warned for this post | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:31 tacrats wrote: Thats not evidence. Keep thinking that bro. Top players (who dont play zerg) have stated many times that there is imbalance in map design as well inherent ability of zerg. There is no statistic that is going to prove imbalance, you need to understand how the game works. Unfortunately it is evident that you do not understand how the gameworks. On August 11 2010 00:32 ahwala wrote: Quote your own, stupid, already thousands of times nullified shitposts. Win percentage as well as the quote of Zerg playing Diamond say exactly NOTHING about balance. Either you are dumb as fuck or a troll You are so angarrry.  This has got to be the only field in which solid statistical facts and reasoning are dismissed in favour of some anecdotal venting from frustrated players. P.S. If you would like to "nullify" my "shitpost" somewhere, feel free? Actually, most of the time nobody responds. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
but top player, i hope u dont mean the idralisk. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:32 ahwala wrote: Quote your own, stupid, already thousands of times nullified shitposts. Win percentage as well as the quote of Zerg playing Diamond say exactly NOTHING about balance. Either you are dumb as fuck or a troll This just in: statistical evidence now trolling! What exactly determines balance, if not the results of games, dipshit? Anecdotal evidence from a few venting players? The Idra Zerg Sycophants are out in full force today, I see. | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:33 kajeus wrote: You are so angarrry. This has got to be the only field in which solid statistical facts and reasoning are dismissed in favour of some anecdotal venting from frustrated players. Angry? Im actually laughing at the fact you think your 'statistics' prove anything at all. And the fact that you continue to link back to them as if they were actually informative at one point is hysterical. You are ignorant to believe that the data you link to supports balance. The only data that would prove balance is unavailable. But you dont seem to understand that. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:15 papaz wrote: 1. When to make drones vs attacking units 2. Low health units, not forgiving on mistakes when you micro 3. Need to have a good macro and continously expand These reasons are frequently cited, but this is also observable in brood war, yet the discrepancy seems magnified in sc2. On top of the factors you listed, I'd add terrible design, underpowered, "FOTMness", and alsoimportantly the pace of play is different. Remember that a lot of sc2 players are former war3 players and wow players. In sc2, more so than in sc, zerg does better in long high econ games. Most players from those games aren't used to managing long high econ games and prefer to 4-gate and have the game decided in 10 minutes rather than deal with messy multitasking, positioning, and macro management. It also rewards the exact opposite skills as t and p, you need patience above all to play zerg and I can see why most people won't play the race just based on that. In sc one could play zerg with some aggression and have it pay off, so weaker and newer players weren't immediately put off. In sc2 you can't really do this and you're in a purely reactive position in every matchup early game. On August 11 2010 00:31 floor exercise wrote: How are there so many experts on how to play zerg on the forum but not one of these people have used their own supposed mastery of zerg tactics to dominate the ladder or win tournaments? You have the answers, why aren't you a top zerg? The fact is, the game suffers from zerg being unpopular. I don't care what race you play and what you think is balanced or unbalanced. The game is less interesting when people only play two races, when we rarely see ever see anything but TvT finals and the odd TvP That should concern you as a fan of the game. The fact that it doesn't is really alarming. I want to attribute it to this new generation of fans from WoW or something, where it's not uncommon to bash other classes to try to get yours raised up. +1, reminds me of war3 ROC with ne vs ne all the god damn time with the occasional human. They really just kind of dropped the ball on zerg design. They took out the most pivotal and interesting units from broodwar and the units they added are pretty lackluster. Somebody ought to make a custom map with the lurker added in at tier2 that morphs from a hydralisk, just to see what happens. Also the evidence cited by Kajeus is pretty legit. Zerg's probably not as underpowered as perceived, but the fact that so few people find it interesting to play is it's own problem independent of the balance itself and blizzard should probably do something about it (next expansion for $60). | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On August 11 2010 00:35 dybydx wrote: @tacrats, but top player, i hope u dont mean the idralisk. Notice i mentioned that dont play zerg. ;-] | ||
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durecell
United Kingdom85 Posts
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