On August 08 2010 00:46 Bair wrote:
So then...anyone want to reccomend a decent mouse? Something besides the $.50 mouse they give out with crappy new computers?

Unfortunately the only mice with >400 dpi that don't have at least some angle snapping/prediction are some Razer mice (DA I believe has a firmware update to get rid of prediction) and SteelSeries mice with FreeMove (e.g. Xai, but unfortunately not Kinzu).

In general I would steer clear of laser mice and stick with optical though. Perhaps it's not a big issue for RTS games but lift-off distance with laser mice is still quite bad. I haven't checked out the Zowie gear yet but apparently they use the same sensors as Logitech MX518 so they will have anglesnapping.

In short, there's no *perfect* mouse yet. I can only assume it's a ploy by gaming hardware companies to be able to get people to buy rubbish and then slowly upgrade it with each iteration. Whatever you do, steer clear of Logitech Mini Optical — just because progamers use it doesn't mean it's good, especially for StarCraft 2, where you'll no longer be using 640x480. I have two of them and the sensor is just absolutely terrible. Pity though, because the shell is quite nice.

Anyway, some decent options (though they either have anglesnapping or lower DPI):
MS 1.1 or 3.0 (400-450 DPI)
SteelSeries Kinzu (or Xai, but it's slightly larger; Kinzu is more suited to RTS) - 1800 DPI (Xai 3200)
Razer DA (1800 DPI I think? The older, better optical sensor anyway)
Razer Salmosa (Asian edition is smaller which is good for RTS — you can probably find one on eBay)
Razer Krait (haven't used this though)

Latham

9582 Posts

August 07 2010 16:16 GMT

#43

Thank God my A4Tech mouse has "enhance pointer precision"

Synwave

United States2803 Posts

August 07 2010 16:19 GMT

#44

Nice info in here. I use a Razer (seriously once you use one you never go back) so I've never touched my windows settings but this post made me double check just to be sure

professorjoak

318 Posts

August 07 2010 16:24 GMT

#45

The full Windows sensitivity table is

[Windows setting] [Pixels windows moves for every 1 pixel mouse reports]
1 1/32
2 1/16
3 1/4
4 1/2
5 3/4
6 1
7 1.5
8 2
9 2.5
10 3
11 3.5

"Enhance pointer precision" is acceleration, so I turn it off.

The fact that liftoff distance for laser mice is bad hasn't affected my gaming, but it's annoying for the times when I feel like slouching in my chair and realize that I can't use my knee as a mousing surface for my G5 the way I could my old Microsoft Intellimouse.

On August 07 2010 23:31 floor exercise wrote:

But that leaves me this question: at 2000dpi and halfway speed, my mouse is way too slow at 1920*1200, so is there a way to speed it up without losing accuracy?

If you are using the full 2000dpi in advanced settings, it means you should cover your monitor horizontally by moving the mouse only an inch, and only .6 inches for vertical traversal. Is that really too slow?

BigT

United States304 Posts

August 07 2010 16:34 GMT

#46

Question, if the higher you have your mouse sensitivity set in your control panel is worse (i.e. 11/11 bad, 6/11 good), then why wouldn't you just set the mouse sensitivity to 1/11 and only adjust your mouse's DPI???

SkyTheUnknown

Germany2065 Posts

August 07 2010 16:57 GMT

#47

Can you adjust every mouse's DPI? I have a simple plain Logitech optical and I don't find some DPI settings in the SetPoint program from Logitech.
Furthermore a clarification: 6/11 in Windows, 50% in SC2 and then cranking up the DPI in order to get a higher mouse speed? Without a higher DPI setting the mouse will be WAY to slow for a RTS game, so these recommendations should only be considered when you have a modern mouse.

floor exercise

Canada5847 Posts

August 07 2010 17:03 GMT

#48

On August 08 2010 01:24 professorjoak wrote:
If you are using the full 2000dpi in advanced settings, it means you should cover your monitor horizontally by moving the mouse only an inch, and only .6 inches for vertical traversal. Is that really too slow?

For sc2, yes.

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

August 07 2010 17:18 GMT

#49

On August 08 2010 02:03 floor exercise wrote:

Show nested quote +

For sc2, yes.

It really isn't, it just might take you a couple days to get used to, trust me

Lots of progamers use much lower sensitivity than you might think. For example watch NaDa play in this video here. You'll notice he lifts the mouse quite often — a consequence (although completely unnoticeable once you're used to your sensitivity) of a lower sensitivity.

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

August 07 2010 17:23 GMT

#50

On August 08 2010 01:34 BigT wrote:
Question, if the higher you have your mouse sensitivity set in your control panel is worse (i.e. 11/11 bad, 6/11 good), then why wouldn't you just set the mouse sensitivity to 1/11 and only adjust your mouse's DPI???

You can do this. Some mice have issues with ridiculously high DPI though (such as negative acceleration), so it's safer to stick with 6/11 and use the lowest comfortable DPI.

Waltchelg

United States66 Posts

August 07 2010 17:36 GMT

#51

Alright folks you need to understand a few things here.

You do not experience pixel skipping until you're over 8/11 in windows and you also have issues at 1/11 and 2/11. I agree that the in-game slider is fucking retarded and should be changed to a system more like QL/CS as someone else mentioned.

for the record I play at 1800 DPI 6/11 in SC2 and 1800 3/11 2.8/3.2 sens for CS/QL

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

August 07 2010 17:50 GMT

#52

There is still skipping at 7/11 (it's visibly noticeable in pbrush if you want to try).

Brammaha

United States17 Posts

August 10 2010 14:24 GMT

#53

There was some counterstrike mouse guide saying if you go below 6/11 sensitivity, your pointer on the screen will have a tendency to go to the left.

Plant your hand on your mouse pad. Start making small circles such that your hand (or the base of your hand) won't move left, right, up, or down. Now, I'm at work right now so my mouse probably isn't that reliable but after a while I've noticed that my pointer on my screen goes shift left. The shift is rather gradual but when I'm playing a game I don't want to have to lift my mouse up. I've only tested this at 6/11 sensitivity. The guide says it becomes more exaggerated the lower you go.

Just something to think about.

P.S. If you really want me to find the guide I'll look for it.

papaz

Sweden4149 Posts

August 10 2010 14:43 GMT

#54

Didn't know about this.

Anyways, how those then blizzard change the sensitivity for the middle mouse button. I have higher sensitivity when pressing middle mouse button in SC2 in order to move the screen than I have on my overall mouse sensitivity for select units.

Jackafur

United States116 Posts

August 10 2010 15:08 GMT

#55

I just use 6/11 800 DPI. I play at 1920x1200. I can change my mouse to 2000 DPI but I heard bad things about changing the sens from 6/11. Also all you guys saying you have "enhance pointer precision" on I'd turn it off. Im pretty sure pointer precision is just mouse acceleration which is bad.

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

August 10 2010 15:20 GMT

#56

Yeah, enhance pointer precision is mouse acceleration. Some people (especially Q3 players) actually like mouse accel, and you can get used to it, but I wouldn't recommend it for RTS gaming.

Jackafur

United States116 Posts

August 10 2010 15:26 GMT

#57

Really? I would imagine Quake 3 players wouldnt like mouse acceleration. I was never into Quake 3 though and I personally cant stand mouse acceleration.

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

August 10 2010 16:28 GMT

#58

Yeah surprisingly most of the top Q3/QL players use acceleration — some even use pretty high values. Rapha/Cooller/Cypher/Jibo/av3k/strenx etc. all use between 0.1-0.5 mouseaccel. I used it myself for a couple months and you definitely get used to it, and there are pretty nice advantages to it especially in terms of hitscan accuracy while retaining 100% normal movement/freedom.

Nayas

Canada33 Posts

August 10 2010 16:28 GMT

#59

I always had Windows at max and bw/sc2 ingame at max too.... never really had an issue.
I will try this tonight and maybe adjust the speed with the razer driver instead.

Will see!

Daewon

127 Posts

August 13 2010 20:16 GMT

#60

At least 50 pct. of the people in this thread are giving completely wrong advice, "enhanced pointer precision on is great!", "... slider at less than 6/11 is fine", etc. Wrong!

Read these two posts:
http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1846538

The first one is a long read, but very informative.
The second is how to get rid of that last bit of mouse acceleration that sometimes gets forced on by games, even when turned off in windows (acceleration = enhanced pointer precision).

As for OP, I tried turning my ingame sensitivity way up like 100%, tabbed out to find my windows sensitivity on the usual 6/11?!?! Am I doing something wrong here? do I need to reboot first or what? As far as I can see the two sliders don't have anything in common.