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On October 03 2011 23:52 renox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 23:20 HOTcarl wrote:I seen this thread and have noticed that many people of asked the same thing im about to ask, but with no answer. So if anyone has an idea of what to do i'd really appreciate some help  I have a regular Logitech mouse i got at target (Logitech m505 laser mouse) I JUST set my windows settings to 6/11 and my in-game to 50% after seeing this thread. Only problem now is my mouse is extremely slow. Ive read that to counter this effect you must increase your DPI. Well the thing is i have Setpoint installed and I cant figure out where/how to adjust my mouses DPI. Is my logitech not capable of that? Or do i just adjust my pointer speed and/or horizantal scrolling speed in SetPoint instead? sorry to bump this thread I cant find the answer anywhere XD I only did some research but no where did I read that your mouse has the option to change DPI, that feature usually comes with "gaming" mice, correct me if I'm wrong though. It's been a while since I've used a logitech mouse but, you should be able to just increase mouse sensitivity in setpoint, just make sure it doesnt change windows and leave sc2 at default.
Thank you for the help! and my mouse is pretty basic so it must not have a DPI adjuster XD. And my only concern about changing my mouse speed in setpoint is that it will cause the same problem as changing my speed in Windows or sc2. Does it have the same effect?
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On October 03 2011 23:52 renox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 23:20 HOTcarl wrote:I seen this thread and have noticed that many people of asked the same thing im about to ask, but with no answer. So if anyone has an idea of what to do i'd really appreciate some help I have a regular Logitech mouse i got at target (Logitech m505 laser mouse) I JUST set my windows settings to 6/11 and my in-game to 50% after seeing this thread. Only problem now is my mouse is extremely slow. Ive read that to counter this effect you must increase your DPI. Well the thing is i have Setpoint installed and I cant figure out where/how to adjust my mouses DPI. Is my logitech not capable of that? Or do i just adjust my pointer speed and/or horizantal scrolling speed in SetPoint instead? sorry to bump this thread I cant find the answer anywhere XD I only did some research but no where did I read that your mouse has the option to change DPI, that feature usually comes with "gaming" mice, correct me if I'm wrong though. It's been a while since I've used a logitech mouse but, you should be able to just increase mouse sensitivity in setpoint, just make sure it doesnt change windows and leave sc2 at default. Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 23:24 Beardedclam wrote:
I use 1800 DPI on 1600x900 screen resolution. If I was to use 1920x1080 how much difference would the sensitivity feel? Would I have to increase the DPI? Also, is there a program that gives you the right ratio the switch it to feel the same sensitivity?
Thanks! If you don't increase the DPI it will feel slower, however you don't really "need" more DPI. It would help to know what mouse you use though, since you should be able to just max out your DPI and adjust your sensitivity in your drivers.
Thanks for the help. I use Logitech mx518. I already have it maxed at 1800 DPI. Wouldn't adjusting the drivers mess up the 1:1 ratio?
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Uhm, I got ingame speed on like 70% and windows speed still on 6/11... ?
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there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon.
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On October 04 2011 00:32 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon.
ohhh no wonder i see all these pros putting their sensitivity at like 22% xD
But if you do that, then that means your windows speed will have to be at like 11/11 to make up for the 22% right? Or is that not how it works.
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Well the thing is, SC2 ignores your windows sensitivity all together. It doesn't care if it's 6/11 or 11/11 it goes by the stupid percentage shit. Generally speaking for other games the way it was optimal to have was to set your mouse sensitivity to default (like in setpoint), windows to 6/11, max out your DPI or choose one sufficient enough for your in game resolution and THEN change your sensitivity IN GAME to your liking.
Honestly I don't really know how to advise you guys to tweak your mice. I use a really high DPI mouse so I don't have this issue. 
I'll try to find some more info or advice on this subject and post here when I do.
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On October 04 2011 00:40 renox wrote:Well the thing is, SC2 ignores your windows sensitivity all together. It doesn't care if it's 6/11 or 11/11 it goes by the stupid percentage shit. Generally speaking for other games the way it was optimal to have was to set your mouse sensitivity to default (like in setpoint), windows to 6/11, max out your DPI or choose one sufficient enough for your in game resolution and THEN change your sensitivity IN GAME to your liking. Honestly I don't really know how to advise you guys to tweak your mice. I use a really high DPI mouse so I don't have this issue. I'll try to find some more info or advice on this subject and post here when I do.
Thank you, i forgot that windows doesn't affect SC2 xD
I'll fiddle around with my setpoint
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I could not find anything that would satisfy what you want to do. It seems that setpoint might add some acceleration if you change it from default, but IDK if it offsets the 1:1 ratio like the windows setting, couldn't find an answer for that. So I suppose you could tweak setpoint and live with the acceleration (i would check though if you get any with MarcC's mouse movement recorder) or tweak your sc2 sense and live with the lowered precision/accel that way or buy a new mouse i guess? Don't really like these options sorry
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If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse pad to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Edit: this problem does not exist at lower sensitivities
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On October 04 2011 00:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 00:32 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon. ohhh no wonder i see all these pros putting their sensitivity at like 22% xD But if you do that, then that means your windows speed will have to be at like 11/11 to make up for the 22% right? Or is that not how it works.
No like the post below you says the windows mouse settings do not effect Starcraft 2 if you have the mouse sensitivity option enables though i still suggest having 6/11 for windows. The way the settings work on windows 11/11 would skip pixels making it inaccurate. For example (i'm not sure on exact numbers) at 11/11 you move your mouse 1 pixel the mouse pointer on screen would move 5 pixels making it fast but inaccurate. They have there speed at 22% because of high dpi (dots per inch). Which iirc means that a mouse with 1600 dpi will move 1600 pixels per inch of mouse movement. So if your sensitivity in Starcraft is low 1600 dpi wont move as fast but be more accurate. So having low sensitivity and a high dpi leaves you with fast and precise mouse movement, where as high sensitivity low dpi skips pixels and leaves you with a fast but in accurate mouse.
This might help some, found it on google:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255430
If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse pad to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Low sensitivity is more accurate. Its personal preference however for what you like. personally I hate making big movement for moving my mouse so I prefer higher speeds
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On October 04 2011 01:08 henery wrote:
If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Well windows setting should always be set to 6/11 no matter what. FPS games let you tweak sens in game, which is good but SC2 sens settings are just basically windows settings. The problem is that anything more or less than 6/11 gives a non 1:1 ratio resulting in weird multiplications which hurt your accuracy because or rounding and stuff. So the IDEAL way to set your sens in sc2 would be like I said in a few posts above. Set windows to 6/11, default sens in drivers(if using any), and use DPI switching as a way to tweak your overall sensitivity. In FPS games the way to be ideal was much better because the games had their own sens you can change which don't hurt your accuracy unlike SC2. In FPS games you would 6/11 windows, default sens in drivers(if using any), DPI to whatever you want but sufficient enough for your res, and then change sens in game. Sadly sc2 uses some dumb system where if you change your sens to anything besides 51-54% you have mouse acceleration.
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I have my in game sensitivity to 97% :O
Guess I need to play with the dpi of my mouse first.. I have the deathadder btw.
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On October 04 2011 01:16 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 00:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 04 2011 00:32 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon. ohhh no wonder i see all these pros putting their sensitivity at like 22% xD But if you do that, then that means your windows speed will have to be at like 11/11 to make up for the 22% right? Or is that not how it works. No like the post below you says the windows mouse settings do not effect Starcraft 2 if you have the mouse sensitivity option enables though i still suggest having 6/11 for windows. The way the settings work on windows 11/11 would skip pixels making it inaccurate. For example (i'm not sure on exact numbers) at 11/11 you move your mouse 1 pixel the mouse pointer on screen would move 5 pixels making it fast but inaccurate. They have there speed at 22% because of high dpi (dots per inch). Which iirc means that a mouse with 1600 dpi will move 1600 pixels per inch of mouse movement. So if your sensitivity in Starcraft is low 1600 dpi wont move as fast but be more accurate. So having low sensitivity and a high dpi leaves you with fast and precise mouse movement, where as high sensitivity low dpi skips pixels and leaves you with a fast but in accurate mouse. This might help some, found it on google: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255430Show nested quote + If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse pad to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Low sensitivity is more accurate. Its personal preference however for what you like. personally I hate making big movement for moving my mouse so I prefer higher speeds
While higher DPI technically means more accuracy that's only true to a point. If say you play on 1920x1080 and you use 5000 DPI it won't be more accurate than 2400 DPI. You need enough DPI at high resolutions so that your mouse doesn't skip pixels, that's it really. So for example 800 DPI would cause some skipping and on 1920x1080. I believe you only need ~1000 for 1980x1020 to have no skips though so it's not really demanding.
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On October 04 2011 01:25 LovE-z33k wrote:
I have my in game sensitivity to 97% :O
Guess I need to play with the dpi of my mouse first.. I have the deathadder btw.
Set your in game sens to 51% and leave windows at 6/11. Then using your DA driver set your DPI to something higher to compensate for the sens difference. 1st gen DA's had a max of 1800, the newer ones 3500
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On October 04 2011 01:25 renox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 01:16 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:On October 04 2011 00:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 04 2011 00:32 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon. ohhh no wonder i see all these pros putting their sensitivity at like 22% xD But if you do that, then that means your windows speed will have to be at like 11/11 to make up for the 22% right? Or is that not how it works. No like the post below you says the windows mouse settings do not effect Starcraft 2 if you have the mouse sensitivity option enables though i still suggest having 6/11 for windows. The way the settings work on windows 11/11 would skip pixels making it inaccurate. For example (i'm not sure on exact numbers) at 11/11 you move your mouse 1 pixel the mouse pointer on screen would move 5 pixels making it fast but inaccurate. They have there speed at 22% because of high dpi (dots per inch). Which iirc means that a mouse with 1600 dpi will move 1600 pixels per inch of mouse movement. So if your sensitivity in Starcraft is low 1600 dpi wont move as fast but be more accurate. So having low sensitivity and a high dpi leaves you with fast and precise mouse movement, where as high sensitivity low dpi skips pixels and leaves you with a fast but in accurate mouse. This might help some, found it on google: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255430 If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse pad to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Low sensitivity is more accurate. Its personal preference however for what you like. personally I hate making big movement for moving my mouse so I prefer higher speeds While higher DPI technically means more accuracy that's only true to a point. If say you play on 1920x1080 and you use 5000 DPI it won't be more accurate than 2400 DPI. You need enough DPI at high resolutions so that your mouse doesn't skip pixels, that's it really. So for example 800 DPI would cause some skipping and on 1920x1080. I believe you only need ~1000 for 1980x1020 to have no skips though so it's not really demanding.
Ya your right I do remember reading that somewhere. low sensitivity with high dpi still does help. least in my experience 
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On October 04 2011 01:29 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 01:25 renox wrote:On October 04 2011 01:16 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:On October 04 2011 00:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 04 2011 00:32 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
there's a option in SC2 that says enable mouse sensitivity that overrides your current windows settings. Though you still want your windows settings at 6/11. If I remember with higher dpi mice you want to set the in game sensitivity lower giving you precision. With the mouse i have now the sensitivity is set to 80% in game with windows speed 6/11 it a slow mouse so i'm buying a better one soon. ohhh no wonder i see all these pros putting their sensitivity at like 22% xD But if you do that, then that means your windows speed will have to be at like 11/11 to make up for the 22% right? Or is that not how it works. No like the post below you says the windows mouse settings do not effect Starcraft 2 if you have the mouse sensitivity option enables though i still suggest having 6/11 for windows. The way the settings work on windows 11/11 would skip pixels making it inaccurate. For example (i'm not sure on exact numbers) at 11/11 you move your mouse 1 pixel the mouse pointer on screen would move 5 pixels making it fast but inaccurate. They have there speed at 22% because of high dpi (dots per inch). Which iirc means that a mouse with 1600 dpi will move 1600 pixels per inch of mouse movement. So if your sensitivity in Starcraft is low 1600 dpi wont move as fast but be more accurate. So having low sensitivity and a high dpi leaves you with fast and precise mouse movement, where as high sensitivity low dpi skips pixels and leaves you with a fast but in accurate mouse. This might help some, found it on google: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=255430 If I use a really low sensitivity is this really a problem? I'm an old FPS player so I'm used to really low sensitivity and using my whole mouse pad to cover the whole screen. What it seams like to me is this problem only really exists for people using a sensitivity higher then 1:1 cursor:mouse moment ratio.
Low sensitivity is more accurate. Its personal preference however for what you like. personally I hate making big movement for moving my mouse so I prefer higher speeds While higher DPI technically means more accuracy that's only true to a point. If say you play on 1920x1080 and you use 5000 DPI it won't be more accurate than 2400 DPI. You need enough DPI at high resolutions so that your mouse doesn't skip pixels, that's it really. So for example 800 DPI would cause some skipping and on 1920x1080. I believe you only need ~1000 for 1980x1020 to have no skips though so it's not really demanding. Ya your right I do remember reading that somewhere. low sensitivity with high dpi still does help. least in my experience
Well it doesn't hurt (unless your mouse has issues at high DPS settings) so why not right?
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So im assuming me playing with the windows options at maxed(which are overrode anyways apparently), my deathadder drivers at 7 and my ingame to 99% and my dps set at 1800 dpi is bad. Ok time to mess with it lol.
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lol exactly. I'm looking at getting a tt esports black element. going to be an awesome mouse ^-^
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I've never noticed a loss of precision and mine is at 11/11
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On October 04 2011 01:38 FoeHamr wrote:
So im assuming me playing with the windows options at maxed(which are overrode anyways apparently), my deathadder drivers at 7 and my ingame to 99% and my dps set at 1800 dpi is bad. Ok time to mess with it lol.
ALWAYS 6/11 in windows though, because it applies to everything in windows you will do. Sc2 overrides it but you should still use it if you ever play anything else plus you need dat precision for clicking stuff on your desktop . 51% in game and up your DPI
There are pics of why 6/11 is best in the OP of this thread but here are some more.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/143/pointerspeedproblemsx86iv7.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/mousepropertiesdemoad0.jpg/
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