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Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
October 13 2010 16:23 GMT
#181
i use to argue as many people here have but the loss in accuracy for the convience of speed isn't worth it. And yes I use to be 100% & 11/11, I instantly have better finesse and such.
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Crushgroove
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
October 13 2010 16:27 GMT
#182
I find that what works best for all games and situations is to purchase mice with as high dpi as possible, I personally use a 5600. Then play with lower sensitivity in game and in windows. This turns off the software based acceleration and sticks just to your good hardware for precision. Works consistently in game or out, and across the board.
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skipdog172
Profile Joined June 2010
United States331 Posts
October 13 2010 16:34 GMT
#183
Would be great to see some notable names post in this thread. Seems like every other post disagrees with the last and just a few posts by some top top players showing what hardware/settings they use would be greatly helpful. I know it's easy to say "just play with what's comfortable" but that certainly isn't working for me. My control feels weak and my mouse just isn't going where I want it to.
GuSaR
Profile Joined October 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 01:06:58
October 14 2010 00:49 GMT
#184
Just tested precision with a roccat kone+ at 6000dpi in photoshop. (zoomed in 200%)
The best result I got with windows sens dropped down to 2! O.o
Literally 1-1 pixel drawing with ease.
The mouse driver has its own sens options, but adjusting them just screws up everything...
Now I have a noticabely better precision at a pretty low ingame and windows sens setting.
So maybe a better sensor in a mouse is the best solution.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
October 14 2010 03:16 GMT
#185
Grubby uses 900 dpi with his SS Ikari, and has windows on 6/11, and 50% in game. That's the only pro I know.

Source is the SS Ikari official pro page.
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
October 14 2010 04:19 GMT
#186
What useful information! Great find. I found I had my settings all messed up and didn't even realize it. Sensitivity through my Razer driver was too low, and windows and SC2 were too high. It meant I was skipping pixels big time. I have some info that may be useful for Razer mouse users.

My mouse: Diamondback 3G, 1800 dpi

Optimal windows performance: 6/11 Windows, set Razer software to whatever (I have mine at 5.0 in Windows)

SC2: Reduce sensitivity to 50%, use Razer driver to increase sensitivity (I set mine at 7.5 or so for SC2). If you increase sens. in SC2, you will start to skip pixels. The diamondback 3G has on-the-fly sens. adjustment, which works for me in SC2, although I can't see the onscreen indicator.

An easy way to test if you're skipping is to place your cursor near the edge of a letter or something with a defined edge. If you are skipping, miniscule mouse movements will fail to read momentarily, and will then cause your cursor to jump several pixels, meaning there are some pixels you can't hit! If you aren't skipping, you will be able to see that small mouse movements move your cursor one pixel at a time. This is pretty easy to notice, and you don't need to alt-tab into paint.

So to recap I've got my mouse at:

Microsoft 6/11
Razer 7.5
SC2 50%

and I'm not skipping. Razer sensitivity adjustment won't cause skipping even at max (10.0) so it's safe to use!
Lumb
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 16:26:01
October 18 2010 16:23 GMT
#187
I thought this might be the best place to ask save creating a whole new thread. Does the sensitivity option in the Razer drivers suffer from this issue also? The problem I have is that I'd like to play with the maximum supported DPI of my mouse (which is like 3000), but the sensitivity at that DPI with windows settings @ 6/10 is way too high. Since the SC2 sensitivity option is strangely just a mirror of the Windows sensitivity settings, I don't see any way of reducing the sensitivity WITHOUT reducing the DPI and without messing with the 1:1 ratio unless the sensitivity option from within the Razer software somehow circumvents this issue.

Edit: Wow, I just read the post above me. Probably should have done that before posting. Thanks. Can anybody confirm this?
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 16:29:27
October 18 2010 16:28 GMT
#188
On October 19 2010 01:23 Lumb wrote:
I thought this might be the best place to ask save creating a whole new thread. Does the sensitivity option in the Razer drivers suffer from this issue also? The problem I have is that I'd like to play with the maximum supported DPI of my mouse (which is like 3000), but the sensitivity at that DPI with windows settings @ 6/10 is way too high. Since the SC2 sensitivity option is strangely just a mirror of the Windows sensitivity settings, I don't see any way of reducing the sensitivity WITHOUT reducing the DPI and without messing with the 1:1 ratio unless the sensitivity option from within the Razer software somehow circumvents this issue.

It's technically and physically impossible to have a higher sensitivity than the cpi your mouse is set to without losing precision, as raising sensitivity that way is done via software in the form of pixel skipping. Lowering your sensitivity using software (i.e. SC2 or Windows sensitivity) does not cause pixel skipping, as it just ignores some input.

So, if one of the intermediate DPI/CPI settings is too slow, use the maximum and lower your sensitivity in game or in Windows. Some argue that this has downsides too but realistically it's not bad, and it's no where near the same effect as RAISING sensitivity via software.

edit: I don't know how Razer sensitivity works, but it's possible that it modifies cpi/dpi or that 10.0 (max) is 1:1 which would mean lower values don't cause pixel skipping.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
October 18 2010 16:33 GMT
#189
Wow thanks for bumping this, I think i have skewed mine up big time so I am excited to get home and adjust the settings to see if I can improve performance. Thanks again!!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 18 2010 16:34 GMT
#190
how do I change my mouse DPI???
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stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
October 18 2010 16:37 GMT
#191
On October 19 2010 01:34 mOnion wrote:
how do I change my mouse DPI???

Depends on if your mouse has adjustable DPI. If it does, it'll either be a hardware switch on the mouse itself or done via mouse drivers. What mouse do you have?
Trentelshark
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada385 Posts
October 18 2010 17:59 GMT
#192
I'm still messing with the DPI settings on my G9x. I setup a SC2 profile with 3 very close DPI settings (800, 900, 1000, 1100) and find the 1000 range isn't bad at my resolution, but I, like the OP, can't for the life of me figure out why they chose not to use DirectInput.
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:39:01
October 18 2010 19:21 GMT
#193
I tried 6/11 and 50% in starcraft and I'm not sure if it's something wrong with my computer or mouse but I would be clicking things but it wouldn't actually click. It was so bad that I couldn't do simple stuff like box and move units or spawn larva. I raised windows sensitivity and put starcraft back at 61% and it seems fine again. I hate using this vx nano too I think because of the wireless and interference or something it doesn't register my left mouse clicks sometimes but that's wasn't what was causing the weird control issue. I have a logitech mini optical hopefully coming this week.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 19:12:22
October 19 2010 19:08 GMT
#194
On October 19 2010 01:37 stafu wrote:
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On October 19 2010 01:34 mOnion wrote:
how do I change my mouse DPI???

Depends on if your mouse has adjustable DPI. If it does, it'll either be a hardware switch on the mouse itself or done via mouse drivers. What mouse do you have?


Deathadder 1800 dpi, I tried checking the drivers but I didn't see anywhere to change it X_x

edit: just googled and apparently you can't with the stock drivers, is there another way?
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Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:20:08
October 19 2010 20:19 GMT
#195
It's funny and a bit surprising how far behind RTS (think StarCraft) gamers are compared to FPS (think Quake) gamers in terms of knowledge of their environment (mouse, sensitivity, dpi, refresh rate, etc), but all this means is that these things matter far less in RTS games. Still, it's good to take advantage of any little thing you can.
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Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
October 19 2010 20:22 GMT
#196
On October 20 2010 05:19 Incanus wrote:
It's funny and a bit surprising how far behind RTS (think StarCraft) gamers are compared to FPS (think Quake) gamers in terms of knowledge of their environment (mouse, sensitivity, dpi, refresh rate, etc), but all this means is that these things matter far less in RTS games. Still, it's good to take advantage of any little thing you can.

Why is that at all surprising?
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GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
October 19 2010 20:31 GMT
#197
On October 20 2010 04:08 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 01:37 stafu wrote:
On October 19 2010 01:34 mOnion wrote:
how do I change my mouse DPI???

Depends on if your mouse has adjustable DPI. If it does, it'll either be a hardware switch on the mouse itself or done via mouse drivers. What mouse do you have?


Deathadder 1800 dpi, I tried checking the drivers but I didn't see anywhere to change it X_x

edit: just googled and apparently you can't with the stock drivers, is there another way?


Why do you want to change your dpi? Instead of adjusting dpi you could adjust sensitivity using Razer drivers, which I think your mose has on-the-fly adjustment for. If you're like me 1800 is probably the sweet spot. Lower and you'll have to pixel skip to get the sensitivity you need, and higher is only necessary if you're already at 50% SC, 6/11 Windows, and 100% sensitivity on Razer drivers.
intergalactic
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 20:58:37
October 19 2010 20:57 GMT
#198
On October 20 2010 04:08 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 01:37 stafu wrote:
On October 19 2010 01:34 mOnion wrote:
how do I change my mouse DPI???

Depends on if your mouse has adjustable DPI. If it does, it'll either be a hardware switch on the mouse itself or done via mouse drivers. What mouse do you have?


Deathadder 1800 dpi, I tried checking the drivers but I didn't see anywhere to change it X_x

edit: just googled and apparently you can't with the stock drivers, is there another way?


I also have the Deathadder with Razer drivers ( downloaded at www.razersupport.com ), and as you can see with the screenshot I provided, you can very easily switch dpi.

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Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
October 19 2010 21:19 GMT
#199
On October 20 2010 05:22 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 05:19 Incanus wrote:
It's funny and a bit surprising how far behind RTS (think StarCraft) gamers are compared to FPS (think Quake) gamers in terms of knowledge of their environment (mouse, sensitivity, dpi, refresh rate, etc), but all this means is that these things matter far less in RTS games. Still, it's good to take advantage of any little thing you can.

Why is that at all surprising?

It's a bit surprising to me personally, because of how big the average difference in knowledge is, how serious the competition is in SC, and how long these things have had to develop. If you care enough to buy a gaming mouse, then I would assume it's a short step to adjusting some basic settings.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Cammalleri
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada190 Posts
October 19 2010 21:30 GMT
#200
Im using 95% on sc2 and 7/11 windows : /
1$ Dell mouse ftl.
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