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Graven
United States314 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:27 PanzerDragoon wrote: Idra has done just fine doing that, along with other top tier Zergs. Absolutely, if Zerg can survive until Brolords or Ultra's, they're in a very good spot against Terran. It's the other 90% of games that are an issue. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
as for zerg ... i just switched it just not worth the time invenvested unless ur name is idra or cool and you play 15 hours a day . About ultras ... both top 2 tier zerg units are the only ones that cant hit both air and ground. Bcs can hit both air and ground doing ridiculus dmg , carriers can hit both as well and with the catapult upgrade plus + 1 dmg they are pretty good as well. Having a bc can change drastically a fight , having an ultra changes nothing . | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
To be fair, IdrA also whines/rages a lot. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:06 kNyTTyM wrote: Zerg has a big advantage in acquiring gas over Terrans with the ease of taking expansions and larva inject, so it's often not a bad idea to enter a bad trade. Beyond that, mutalisks are much, much more mobile than thors and are produced more quickly. It's more like marines vs. lurkers.So let's say op is microing perfectly and is able to fight 5 thors with 16 mutalisks. This is of course assuming no upgrades, no vikings, and mutalisks are in perfect health. Zerg is still losing about 600 gas in the battle and there is a possibility that you lose up to 30 mutalisks. This is kind of like saying marine medic can fight reaver in brood war with micro. You can but you really really do not want to. With the sick range of a reaver/thor if you accidentally click within vision range say bye to some units. Still, it's obviously not a good idea to think, "he's going pure thor; I should get mutalisks." But you can use mutas to bottle in a Terran, for example: Hyperdub is one of the best Korean Terrans. ArgOs really isn't one of Asia's best Zergs (but, obviously, he isn't bad, being that he's on the same team). | ||
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MurdeR
Argentina89 Posts
Come on... stop jocking with this things, this is a serius forum. PD: Ban plz | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:24 DeMusliM wrote: lol at the viking video - sorry but to show "micro imbalance on unit" while the other units are ai controlled is just senseless. He was actually saying to make Vikings LIKE the video as compensation for a range nerf. They don't actually micro like that atm. | ||
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
Idra is also the biggest crybaby in the game dont ever listen to what he says, especially at the end of a losing game | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:39 graphene wrote: to be fair why are terran players whining about reasonable changes, and no ultralisks dont get up in time, terran is the strongest race and admit it, dont have to be douches and denying fact. Agree so much with lalush ! because people dont want to : a) admit they have a leg up in this match-up b) realize that many of their wins were because of imbalance c) dont want to see changes and want to continue having an advantage | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:39 graphene wrote: to be fair why are terran players whining about reasonable changes, and no ultralisks dont get up in time, terran is the strongest race and admit it, dont have to be douches and denying fact. Agree so much with lalush ! Terran players are whining because by listing changes, no matter how small, the OP implies that there is something wrong with the Terran race and the TvZ matchup, and the Terrans take offense to that... They think everything is fine and dandy. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:30 st3roids wrote: @ op ur right at everything , but too many terran players atm to even bother , maybe with the expansions other races might come to par. as for zerg ... i just switched it just not worth the time invenvested unless ur name is idra or cool and you play 15 hours a day . About ultras ... both top 2 tier zerg units are the only ones that cant hit both air and ground. Bcs can hit both air and ground doing ridiculus dmg , carriers can hit both as well and with the catapult upgrade plus + 1 dmg they are pretty good as well. Having a bc can change drastically a fight , having an ultra changes nothing . BCs are insanely good, but cost a ton. Having ultras changes nothing? Did you watch any of the Razer Day9 tournament games? I saw Ultras crushing through mech armies like 3 times. And carriers are by far the worst tier 3 unit in the game, its literally impossible to transition to them without leaving a huge vulnerable window during the switch. | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:40 PanzerDragoon wrote: Idra is also the biggest crybaby in the game dont ever listen to what he says, especially at the end of a losing game he has said it many times even after winning the kotb tournament in the artosis interview. kthx | ||
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Beren
United States514 Posts
On August 03 2010 04:36 Bluerain wrote: jus give calling down mules a cooldown like larvae inject so they cant spam it. I like this idea alot. each CC has a CD or... reduce the effectiveness by half and make them 25 energy with no cooldown but only allow 1 mule per mineral node at a time? this will free up mule use but allow scans as well. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:42 Saracen wrote: Terran players are whining because by listing changes, no matter how small, the OP implies that there is something wrong with the Terran race and the TvZ matchup, and the Terrans take offense to that... They think everything is fine and dandy. lmao why does everyone turn this into an US VS THEM mentality. TvZ is probably slightly in Terran's favor right now, because tanks, much like in BW, dictate that you can't win in a straight up fight. How long was the Bisu build considered unbeatable in PvZ? Like, a month and a half. Give it some time. Also none of Lalush's fixes would really do anything but make terran at a disadvantage against Z and P. Seriously, medivacs OP? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
How about requiring an SCV to salvage a structure (but maybe allow it for more structures in return - ie turrets)? I don't see a problem with medivacs healing - it's not like anyone thinks terran bio is imbalanced TvZ right? I like the viking change, but I would also like to see the thors damage going back up to 8+6 instead of 6+6; it's annoying that you have to build vikings to counter non-light air units. I'm fine with both units having their range lowered. On August 03 2010 05:30 st3roids wrote: @ op ur right at everything , but too many terran players atm to even bother , maybe with the expansions other races might come to par. as for zerg ... i just switched it just not worth the time invenvested unless ur name is idra or cool and you play 15 hours a day . About ultras ... both top 2 tier zerg units are the only ones that cant hit both air and ground. Bcs can hit both air and ground doing ridiculus dmg , carriers can hit both as well and with the catapult upgrade plus + 1 dmg they are pretty good as well. Having a bc can change drastically a fight , having an ultra changes nothing . If you think ultralisks are bad you are insane - it is a terrifying beast. Unlike banelings, it doesn't give a fuck about siege tanks. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:44 PanzerDragoon wrote: lmao why does everyone turn this into an US VS THEM mentality. TvZ is probably slightly in Terran's favor right now, because tanks, much like in BW, dictate that you can't win in a straight up fight. How long was the Bisu build considered unbeatable in PvZ? Like, a month and a half. Give it some time. Also none of Lalush's fixes would really do anything but make terran at a disadvantage against Z and P. Seriously, medivacs OP? I have no fast flying ships which can take my soldiers,drop them wherever I want and to have a cherry on top of a pie,they HEAL. Looks a bit TOO versalite,don't You think? | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:25 Kurumi wrote: "Damnit,they're trying to make my favourite shiny Terran less mindless... FLAME THEM NOW" You should make sure your posts actually contain substance/relavance and contribute to the thread. I think you should go back and RE-READ the forums rules. Its people like you that post pointless malarky make me not want to visit this site. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:30 st3roids wrote: @ op ur right at everything , but too many terran players atm to even bother , maybe with the expansions other races might come to par. as for zerg ... i just switched it just not worth the time invenvested unless ur name is idra or cool and you play 15 hours a day . About ultras ... both top 2 tier zerg units are the only ones that cant hit both air and ground. Bcs can hit both air and ground doing ridiculus dmg , carriers can hit both as well and with the catapult upgrade plus + 1 dmg they are pretty good as well. Having a bc can change drastically a fight , having an ultra changes nothing . what a horrible horrible post. if you dont understand the game in the slightest and just whine how zerg has no "capital ship" then please dont ever post about balance on teamliquid again. On August 03 2010 05:30 Graven wrote: Absolutely, if Zerg can survive until Brolords or Ultra's, they're in a very good spot against Terran. It's the other 90% of games that are an issue. the thing is that Z is in a perfectly fine spot early-mid game. the ONLY "problem" in zvt is when T just masses up upgraded mech from 2-3 bases and then does the doompush with 200/200. but at that point there is no reason to not have hive tech. imho way too many zergs still try to 1a a big hydra/roach ball into tanklines and then whine that mech is so imba. if they did the same thing in broodwar evryone would laugh at them for beeing noobs. now evryone goes "YEAH MAN YOURE RIGHT! TOTALLY IMBA!". fact is that broodlords completly shut down siege tanks cause of friendly fire and that ultras deal pretty much the highest dmg in the game once in range(+soak up splash dmg, ignore marine fire etc). use em. really zvt is one of my strongest matchups (im random) and its unbelievable how many diamond terrans simply have no clue what to do once your first 2 broodlords show up . they unsiege,you run in and they die. works most of the time and if not.. less to no tanks anymore means you can beat them on ground. and if you cant get to that point then its simply your fault cause as said early-midgame zvt is absolutely ok and imho easier for the zerg since you can choose what to do while T is pretty much forced into mech heavy play cause bio is plain useless vs proper fungal/baneling use agree tho that some maps make it stupidly hard. zvt on steppes is horrible while tvz on steppes is one of the easiest things to win in the game | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 03 2010 05:42 PanzerDragoon wrote: BCs are insanely good, but cost a ton. Having ultras changes nothing? Did you watch any of the Razer Day9 tournament games? I saw Ultras crushing through mech armies like 3 times. And carriers are by far the worst tier 3 unit in the game, its literally impossible to transition to them without leaving a huge vulnerable window during the switch. Carriers are criminally underrated PvT. Unless you transitioned to them from a colossus build, where the Terran already had plenty of vikings around, they should be effective. | ||
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