How top terrans dont use ghosts against protoss? - Page 4

iEchoic

United States1776 Posts

August 02 2010 19:38 GMT

#61

Ghosts limit you a lot in the early game. I was working out different bio-based pushes against P near the beginning, starting with a BratOK-style stim + cs + ghost marine push. The problem is that this push just takes too long. People can actually get a colossus out in time and completely devastate your push.

I began working with this build and found that I need to be able to apply pressure. I found out that if I cut the ghosts (two ghosts = 400 gas, one ghost = 250 gas - that's a lot of time saved) I can do a marine/marauder with stim and cs push before colossus can hit the field. Ghosts are a large gas (read: gas is time) investment and limits your options early.

As for lategame, I don't think there's any excuse for not using ghosts in the lategame.

luckySe7en

148 Posts

August 02 2010 19:43 GMT

#62

On August 02 2010 23:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I usually mech TvP and in the beginning I don't have the gas for ghosts, then midgame I don't need ghosts. I might add ghosts late game.

But I'm finding some problems with mech again so I dunno, I always used ghosts when I played bio builds however.

ya, this.

i play turtle mech, so i don't get ghosts until there is a possibility that the protoss might attack me with ground. usually he's doing some voidray shinanigans, so i actually end up having tanks + thors, and maybe even vikings before it's useful to get ghosts.

but if toss is going like, 6 gate ground, or going immortals for a possible bust, i get ghosts immediately.

ShivaN

United States933 Posts

August 02 2010 19:47 GMT

#63

I'm curious, I've been wanting to try going mech vs toss, but I just never thought it truly viable. How do you handle early air pressure, like say a quick void harass if you were say at the short air distance bases on metalopolis? Do you just make 8-10 rines at the start since I'm assuming you open 1fact expo? Thanks

Kare

Norway786 Posts

August 02 2010 19:51 GMT

#64

Ghosts are so gas expensive that its not worth building them in my opinion.

Chunkybuddha

Canada347 Posts

August 02 2010 20:02 GMT

#65

On August 03 2010 04:47 ShivaN wrote:

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little off topic, but mech is very viable, in fact I argue much more favored than bio in TVP. The general build order is 1-1-1. rax, fac, sp asap. Set up tanks, get raven for stalkers, and expand asap. make a massive timing push and continue pushing with hellions and tanks and the odd banshee. sounds like a wacky combo but its devastating. hellions>ht tanks>ground units ravens>stalkers, cloaked units, defense. make sure you are patient and when you are pushing don't push like a regular timing attack. slowly creep your way, never losing your tanks but die everything else. use your hellions to harass and scout. *note* if you choose to not build 2-3 banshees, use this gas for 1-2 ghosts. It's pretty difficult, but if you can manage to fit a ghost in your mech build, you have overwhelming odds in your favor because you can just walk with your tanks without stopping much. .

The only reason I can think of is because the route to get ghosts demands a hell of a lot of gas. So usually it's either mech or bio/ghost for resource balance. of course, if you can get to mech safely that is a much better route, so most pros choose mech route and skip ghosts.

Plus with mech, mid-game you would rather have a raven than a ghost, so that's where that gas goes mid-game.

My 2 cents.

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