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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
I tried to understand this but after a lot of research I couldn't get why. So here I am looking for an explanation. Is there a specific reason for not going ghost against protoss? I always thought ghost can counter protoss army, even though they aren't using HTs, but I may be wrong. Thanks in advance for the explanation and sorry for the english. Edit: Tittle was supposed to be "WHY ..." instead of "HOW ..." but I can't change it now :/ | ||
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ziteNiA
Sweden73 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:34 ziteNiA wrote: Terran is so good atm that you dont really need ghost This is one reason. The second reason is that to use EMP AND stim you really need 2 control groups and that is just adding a level of complication to a situation where you simply only need 1 control group of units to win the game. Most games all Terran require to win is mass barracks spamming M&M with 1 starport making medevacs then 1a move into the protoss base and press stimpack when you see their army and its gg. User was warned for this post | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's worth noting that it's not a choice between ghosts and no ghosts, but a choice between ghosts, and the various other possible gas units--tanks, vikings, medivacs, ravens, etc. A particular player's playstyle or situation might favor the use of one of those other units over a ghost. | ||
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TanX
Denmark92 Posts
Why they don't do it? well, it might be that there simply wasn't room for additional tech within their standard builds. Myself? I wouldn't give the ghost away for anything, it is just too useful to ignore. To the other poster, Stimming and EMP'ing takes like a second due to the wonders of 'tabbing'. | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
Also countering colossus (which from my experience is what dominates most MM armies) requires a decent amount of gas as well. It REALLY depends on the game/map/player more than anything ghosts are incredibly viable and useful but people still don't use them for reasons youd probably have to ask them to know. | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:38 TanX wrote: To the other poster, Stimming and EMP'ing takes like a second due to the wonders of 'tabbing'. Why bother using 2 different hammers when you only need 1? User was warned for this post | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:37 Necrosjef wrote: Most games all Terran require to win is mass barracks spamming M&M with 1 starport making medevacs then 1a move into the protoss base and press stimpack when you see their army and its gg. Not only does this not answer the question, it's flat out an exaggeration. While there's certainly been a lot of legitimate complaint about Terran's power in TvZ (in particular related to 1 unit), I haven't seen any reputable high level player complaining about TvP. Certainly not with regard to bio play. But of course, I'm going way off topic. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
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Tiwo
Netherlands306 Posts
(i completely changed to Mech because when u don't look for 1 moment or are in bad position, they storm your whole army) Thats my intake into this. Also, forgetting re-making ghosts in your macro is also a big flaw in peoples game | ||
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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
As far as I can tell it gets to the same point why protoss don't use HT early (15-20min) as far as I saw on replays it's only after that mark that they usually start getting HTs. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:41 TheYango wrote: Not only does this not answer the question, it's flat out an exaggeration. While there's certainly been a lot of legitimate complaint about Terran's power in TvZ (in particular related to 1 unit), I haven't seen any reputable high level player complaining about TvP. Certainly not with regard to bio play. But of course, I'm going way off topic. Pretty sure Tester is on record as saying T is (or at least was) overpowered (and it hasn't been nerfed much at all since then). | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
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Ploppytheman
United States248 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
But I'm finding some problems with mech again so I dunno, I always used ghosts when I played bio builds however. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:54 kzn wrote: Pretty sure Tester is on record as saying T is (or at least was) overpowered (and it hasn't been nerfed much at all since then). He specifically highlighted tanks as an issue, and I'm pretty sure consensus is that tanks are problematic in TvZ. As I said though, bio play has not to my knowledge been cited as a balance issue. | ||
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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I usually mech TvP and in the beginning I don't have the gas for ghosts, then midgame I don't need ghosts. I might add ghosts late game. But I'm finding some problems with mech again so I dunno, I always used ghosts when I played bio builds however. Do you have some recent replays using bio + ghost that I can see? Maybe a stupid question, but why don't you need ghosts midgame? Thanks for all replies everyone. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 02 2010 23:59 dambros wrote: Do you have some recent replays using bio + ghost that I can see? Maybe a stupid question, but why don't you need ghosts midgame? Thanks for all replies everyone. I haven't played much bio tvp in a long time  You don't need ghosts midgame because you have lots of tanks/hellions/ravens/vikings. Ghosts are nice vs immortals, but immortals aren't a threat, and hellions deal nicely with templars. You already do so much splash to everything, shields don't last very long. I dunno, this has been my experience anyway. | ||
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