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this spoiler is me quoting chill
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 05:43 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:09 TheFlyingZerg wrote:On September 03 2010 05:07 Krohm wrote:On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post. Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it. It's ridiculous to say the least. Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000. I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20. My problem is just "as intended" is subjective. I don't have a problem with it myself, I just foresee a huge issue when one person thinks they won and fayth doesn't agree. That's why I'd like to avoid this situation by having objective rules. Even though fayth is putting up a contest with his own money, I think it should still be fair.
this is true, the problem with a replay pack is you can just have a small pack of every game you won without cheese and claim it to be enough too
as good as the idea is, winning this by doing 99% cheese is probably very possible provided you submit the right replays
although it is a given that after 3000+ legit wins you should easily be a 1v1 mid/high diamond if you were legit...
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Just say you need to get the achievement and you cant ever be demoted or you can only be demoted once or something. doesnt sc2ranks keep track of that? So if i was already 2000 wins in, i wouldnt be cheesing ALL the time in case i lost like 5 straight and got demoted
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What a scrub contest. It's a ladder contest what do you expect people to do? If aiming to win within 5 minutes is cheating then wouldn't the optimal strategy be to win within 5 mins 1 sec? It's not a tournament, it's a most wins competition but you want people to play it like it's a tournament aka go for highest win% when the goal is most wins. The whole idea is ridiculous, you need to get that whole type of thinking out of your head Fayth. Did it ever occur to you some people may have put some serious effort into this and made sacrifices to try to win the $2,000. Now all of a sudden it's a judged subjective competition when the original competition was a most wins competition.
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This is crazy I remember looking at this achievement like.. who will ever get that fuckin thing 
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On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote:
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
Why won't Pennoyer win the contest? Your OP said, after the edit, "cheesing EVERY game isn't allowed", therefore if he plays one game without cheesing, he wins. So now you move the goalposts again to 50% or less "cheesegames" allowed? What is considered cheese anyways? This contest reminds me of those unwinnable bogus "prove evolution and win X euros" challenges. The motivations are obviously different, but you are using the same scumbag tactics as they are.
The next time you have a contest like this please issue clear rules on when the contest is won. If there is any room for interpretation on whether or not a person has won, it's a shitty contest.
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On September 03 2010 06:05 yomi wrote:
What a scrub contest. It's a ladder contest what do you expect people to do? If aiming to win within 5 minutes is cheating then wouldn't the optimal strategy be to win within 5 mins 1 sec? It's not a tournament, it's a most wins competition but you want people to play it like it's a tournament aka go for highest win% when the goal is most wins. The whole idea is ridiculous, you need to get that whole type of thinking out of your head Fayth. Did it ever occur to you some people may have put some serious effort into this and made sacrifices to try to win the $2,000. Now all of a sudden it's a judged subjective competition when the original competition was a most wins competition.
It's been like that since the beginning, I'm not forcing anyone to do it
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To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
Just my 2 cents.
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On September 03 2010 06:46 Rybka wrote:
To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
Just my 2 cents.
Any reasoning you have is irrelevant. Why X should be counted doesn't matter: Fayth is putting up the money and can put whatever conditions he wants upon winning it.
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To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
Just my 2 cents.
Your 2 cents vs. Fayth's $2000.
Which matters more, I wonder?
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I think this is just a way for the op to get attention. Someone's gonna get to 1000 wins, and then he'll be like, oh he cheesed too much or oh people disced against him and stuff like that
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On September 03 2010 07:01 Tazza wrote:
I think this is just a way for the op to get attention. Someone's gonna get to 1000 wins, and then he'll be like, oh he cheesed too much or oh people disced against him and stuff like that
wat
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On September 03 2010 06:25 TrueIsAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there,
also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit Why won't Pennoyer win the contest? Your OP said, after the edit, "cheesing EVERY game isn't allowed", therefore if he plays one game without cheesing, he wins. So now you move the goalposts again to 50% or less "cheesegames" allowed? What is considered cheese anyways? This contest reminds me of those unwinnable bogus "prove evolution and win X euros" challenges. The motivations are obviously different, but you are using the same scumbag tactics as they are. The next time you have a contest like this please issue clear rules on when the contest is won. If there is any room for interpretation on whether or not a person has won, it's a shitty contest.
Becuse he said he wont take the money.
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I just think there's way too many dudes in here worried about this contest when hardly any of them are trying to win it.
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http://fayth.liquidpoker.net about my present, don't be jealous, and try not to bring up random shit from the past
also I had paid up against rek even though I was fairly busto in that time, you can ask him if you doubt it
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Out of curiosity whats the rational for this? I'm mildly curious as to what motivates someone to spend 2k to entice people to play an absurd number of games.
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relevance?
your thickness of wallet may change over time, but person does not necessarily change.
look what you are doing now. its the same thing.
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after the community bitched you out. you had no intention of paying before tl made a mockery out of you.
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On September 03 2010 07:18 viraltouch wrote:
relevance?
your thickness of wallet may change over time, but person does not necessarily change.
look what you are doing now. its the same thing.
I don't even know what shadiness you're talking about, me and rekrul have made bets playing starcraft and I remember I lost the 2nd time we got in a fight and I paid up, so what exactly is your point?
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On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave + Show Spoiler +is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit The way you describe it... set some minimum average game length required? (eg: ~10min) You can use sc2gears to analyze the replay pack for average length, and manually check some replays at random, to ensure there's no falsification. Also, if you want the player to have improved, you could use sc2ranks's history to check if their bnet rank has improved with some required factor in the long run. You could specify the requirements quite precisely, if you wanted.
Why is there an end date, by the way? If your true goal is to inspire people to improve with quality play on the ladder, perhaps they should not be rushed? On the other hand, if the period is too short/difficult to cover, people will have not much choice, but to play cheap and dirty.
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