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On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote:
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
The question is, how will you check? You're not seriously gonna watch 6k reps?
Actually I guess you could ROUGHLY check by replay size, but w/e.
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On September 02 2010 15:16 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:08 skindzer wrote:NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE? Be a man an stand by your word. Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha Calm down jesus, what i hate about sc2 is all these new forum members He didn't add a new rule at random the last edit was 5 days after the games was realesed.
Really? Tought it was added cause of the new bump. Didnt check the thread past a while doubt anyone would really try it.
And wtf new forum member?
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On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Is it really asked too much to read the thread or at least the frigging OP carefully before posting such a lame accusation? The OP was last edited on July 30th, one month ago. In no way is this a cop-out, nor is it shifting the goal-line if it was edited a couple of days after the game was released.
Sure the rule is wishy-washy and can be interpreted differently, but the "spirit of the rule" is chrystal clear to everybody with a brain and so is the fact that this Pennoyer guy does not even remotely qualify for the achievement which is supposed to be merited by this challenge (which is obviously unequal to Blizzard's achievement, which doesn't give a damn on how you win ...)
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On September 02 2010 15:16 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:08 skindzer wrote:NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE? Be a man an stand by your word. Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha Calm down jesus, what i hate about sc2 is all these new forum members He didn't add a new rule at random the last edit was 5 days after the games was realesed.
Ok obviously he's not a new member, he has 2000 posts. It's not like I know him/her personally but it's obvious.
Calm down.
Yeah skindzer the rule was edited like a day after, and besides it's Fayth's money lol. He can do want he wants, he doesn't have to give anyone jack.
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On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
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Let fayth do whatever he wants with his money. If he bought a $60,000 car and drove it once a year none of you would care. He just wants to make a fun sc2 competition with 2k and you guys go nuts.
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Ahahaa...oh good. You have motivated hundreds of people to play all night for days 
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On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
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On September 03 2010 05:07 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post. Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it. It's ridiculous to say the least.
Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000.
I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20.
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On September 03 2010 05:07 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post. Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it. It's ridiculous to say the least.
No, the community decided as a whole to take out cheesers dude. It wasn't even his idea until everyone harassed him about it maybe you should read before you post? That way you don't come off as such a jerk. If you ask me for that kind of money wtf do you expect, of course theres rules and of course stuff will change because guess what? ITS HIS MONEY, what are you doing for the community? Nothing? Then why get on someones case thats actually doing something with his OWN money.
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Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:07 Krohm wrote:On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post. Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it. It's ridiculous to say the least.
he added that in way at the very beginning i was here when this thread started and i remember it very clearly. it wasnt something that was just edited in way after the fact.
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NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Have fun watching 3-4000 games :p
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Watch the winner be someone in bronze or something.
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Did you not see the math behind it?
Let's say you random the right races every single time, and win every single game. You're looking at 66 cents a game played. This isn't including losses. Which will take up roughly let's say 45% of total games played. So that's 4350, now let's say at a stretch each game is 12 minutes long. That's 870 hours of total game play time. That's a steady 36.25 days of straight playing. With a 6 month time constraint.
This isn't including massive variables, such as longer game times, being unable to cheese for more than 50% of your games. Just being unable to win. Mental fatigue. People being unable to use a specific race causing more losses and more time wasted. Not randoming the right race.
6 months is a ridiculous time frame. Which is now 5 months.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/1393222/remind
This guy is literally the closest person to achieving that goal, however he uses Protoss. He will still have to do 1000 random wins, which almost makes his 1000 Protoss wins a waste of time. Or at least negates them by 66%.
So that technically means this guy is further ahead.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/292352/Kagami
And look at his rankings, he isn't that great. He just has mass games.
Since he's not that great does this mean Fayth will decide to disqualify him too, since he's obviously not learning much after playing 1k games as random, which is the theme of the thread. (This part is a bit of a dick point on my part I can admit that.)
I just find this whole thing stupid to be honest.
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People, check the edit date, compare with the post date. Rule added within two days of posting, something like maximum 200 wins from cheesing in that time frame, which has no effect on the total wins as the rule was formulated.
As mentioned, there are replay analysing software where you can see builds and so on for a large sample size.
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On September 02 2010 15:08 skindzer wrote:Show nested quote +NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE? Be a man an stand by your word. Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
naw, not really...
I think I added that rule like 1 day after I made the thread, I just figured it was a given players had to play normally and just play a lot of hours to make this
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On September 03 2010 05:09 TheFlyingZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 05:07 Krohm wrote:On September 02 2010 15:34 Jopz wrote:On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote:
That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this? Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply! Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post. Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it. It's ridiculous to say the least. Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000. I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20.
My problem is just "as intended" is subjective. I don't have a problem with it myself, I just foresee a huge issue when one person thinks they won and fayth doesn't agree. That's why I'd like to avoid this situation by having objective rules. Even though fayth is putting up a contest with his own money, I think it should still be fair.
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I've won a ton of ZvZ games in under 5 minutes without 6 pooling or 8 pooling and without spine crawlers, I have a build that's a little all-in (but in a way, aren't all the ling/baneling builds all-in in the vaguest sense). I think these all-in builds in ZvZ are just good and that's why people do them, the best reaction is to do a similar all-in build which then makes both builds not 'all-in", but if someone else built drones I guess that would make me "all-in", but I would still win close to 100% of those games. To be fair, I think ZvZ is the only match-up where that style is totally objective.
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