Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
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I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
On July 29 2010 11:00 zomgtossrush wrote: Either some validity or contact/website or something more official needs to set up, or the admins need to close this thread and ban you.
We don't need a bunch of stupid posts.
we don't need your stupid posts either... if you haven't joined the site in 2010 you should already know fayth is gonna pay up...
On July 29 2010 11:02 iCCup.Nove wrote: Hell, I'd even pay you if I failed if you were serious about this (Not 2k, maybe 200$ though). Obviously there should be a time limit.
oh yeah good idea I'll fix this, I'll think about a realistic time frame
There's people in TFT that have like 1000 wins with like 3 losses, that's insane to me. Anyways I want to try and stick with Starcraft 2 and not give up on it. Like when Wc3 came out I would tell myself "Yeah I'm going to stay with this game and get EVERY icon!". Thinking back on it it's kind of funny how fast I dropped ladder games and started playing Winter Maul and other custom maps. But I really hope I can do it with Starcraft, Cause I am kind of good at it, We'll see if I persevere!
On July 29 2010 11:03 Vedreth wrote: Basically this is paying people to develop the perfect / quickest cheese...
There will never be a "perfect cheese", and if an incredibly good one is created, a defense will be made also. This is why there has never been a "perfect cheese".
On July 29 2010 11:09 OminouS wrote: 6 months, 4000 wins? I really doubt that is possible.
22 wins a day for EVERY single day, that is remotely possible, but not my cup of tea
EDIT: I would get 3-4 diamond pals and cram on one account, make a team cheese or something. If you play that many games you'll probably get to 50/50, otherwise you'd shoot up to the top of the ladder, which is unlikely. So 6 minutes a game, 50% win ratio, 6*44 = 264 minutes. Thats 4hour, 24 min a day of constant cheesing.
An alternate method would be to just get a bunch of players and play normally, but always have the account being played games on (ladder account). 22 wins a day is not unreasonable like that.
What this really reminds me is Kongregate.com, which is a flash game site which features "achievments for games". Particularly tedious badges get descriptions like this:
This is the Game that Never Ends Badge (hard - 30 points)
Map 78 completed – "Endurance badge" does not even begin to describe this. Go outside. Please. Your family is worried about you.
On July 29 2010 11:12 paper wrote: The fewest number of games you could achieve Solo Zen Master is 3000 games by playing Random and winning every single game.
If you have a 60% win rate, that's 5000 games. If you have a 70% win rate, that's 4286 games.
Are you sure it works that way? I think you have to win all of the games as the race you choose before playing the map. In other words, I don't think random wins count for all 3. Plus you would need an even ratio of all 3 races as random..Highly unlikely .
Well, the best strategy would be to loose all placement matches, and slowly win games while also quitting others from the start of the game so you forever remain low and get easy opponents while calmly taking your wins, cheesing and allinning like a madman.
requires a ton of farm, but its doable to anyone that wants quick money.
On July 29 2010 11:12 paper wrote: The fewest number of games you could achieve Solo Zen Master is 3000 games by playing Random and winning every single game.
If you have a 60% win rate, that's 5000 games. If you have a 70% win rate, that's 4286 games.
Are you sure it works that way? I think you have to win all of the games as the race you choose before playing the map. In other words, I don't think random wins count for all 3. Plus you would need an even ratio of all 3 races as random..Highly unlikely .
It worked like that in beta IIRC considering I would random 2's and still get t/p/z achievements, i.e. if you random Zerg, you get ticks for both Zerg and Random simultaneously.
On July 29 2010 11:12 paper wrote: The fewest number of games you could achieve Solo Zen Master is 3000 games by playing Random and winning every single game.
If you have a 60% win rate, that's 5000 games. If you have a 70% win rate, that's 4286 games.
Are you sure it works that way? I think you have to win all of the games as the race you choose before playing the map. In other words, I don't think random wins count for all 3. Plus you would need an even ratio of all 3 races as random..Highly unlikely .
It worked like that in beta IIRC considering I would random 2's and still get t/p/z achievements.
Ok my bad XD, I just don't remember that in beta than. Probably cause i got protoss about 80% of the time as random, being a protoss player normaly, so i didn't notice.
On July 29 2010 11:12 paper wrote: The fewest number of games you could achieve Solo Zen Master is 3000 games by playing Random and winning every single game.
If you have a 60% win rate, that's 5000 games. If you have a 70% win rate, that's 4286 games.
Are you sure it works that way? I think you have to win all of the games as the race you choose before playing the map. In other words, I don't think random wins count for all 3. Plus you would need an even ratio of all 3 races as random..Highly unlikely .
It worked like that in beta IIRC considering I would random 2's and still get t/p/z achievements, i.e. if you random Zerg, you get ticks for both Zerg and Random simultaneously.
This is correct, random races give you achievements in the random category and the race you randomed's category.
8000 games with 50% winrate. If someone plays Zerg and 6 pooling then the games will take about 5 minutes. The total will be about 666 hours. If that someone plays 6h/day then it will take 111 days.
That someone will be known as Mr.Cheese and have gotten $3/hour to SC2 using the same strategy for 4 months...that is if someone else don't get there first. :D
On July 29 2010 11:09 OminouS wrote: 6 months, 4000 wins? I really doubt that is possible.
If you start off playing random, assuming you get perfectly even wins with each race, then you'll have 1000 random wins and 333 as each race. Then youd have to get 667 wins as each race individually, which rounds to total out to around 3000 total games you would actually have to win if you did it right.
hmmm is there anything that could prevent people from account sharing? looking at hotkeys and apm might not work since they can use the same... and if they are smart they won't be playing 24/7 on it...
On July 29 2010 11:26 Fayth wrote: hmm I don't think it works like that, it's only 1000 wins when you pick random records as wins with random, not with protoss/zerg/terran
Fayth, props for throwing this money up, but IMO it'd be better spent on a tournament. Right now, 2,000 USD will get you the best players there is to compete and itd be more... timely and a lot more visual. :D
Just my thoughts.
Edit: You also have the chance of being hunted and murdered by someone who loses to someone else moments, maybe even days before. lol
How does anyone know Fayth will go through with this? Not to raise doubt on his integrity, but no one really knows him, he has a fairly small number of posts, and it would suck to grind hardcore and get that first, and then find that your not getting the prize. If this is actually going to be taken seriously, Nazgul or someone should be holding the money, that way everyone knows its legit.
Nobody's said the obvious thing. With a bit of account sharing, this is possible. Not easy. But possible. I don't see any other way. (Afaik, account sharing is against Battlenet ToS and technically could get you banned.)
On July 29 2010 11:34 Newguy wrote: How does anyone know Fayth will go through with this? Not to raise doubt on his integrity, but no one really knows him, he has a fairly small number of posts, and it would suck to grind hardcore and get that first, and then find that your not getting the prize. If this is actually going to be taken seriously, Nazgul or someone should be holding the money, that way everyone knows its legit.
On July 29 2010 11:30 v3chr0 wrote: Fayth, props for throwing this money up, but IMO it'd be better spent on a tournament. Right now, 2,000 USD will get you the best players there is to compete and itd be more... timely and a lot more visual. :D
Just my thoughts.
Edit: You also have the chance of being hunted and murdered by someone who loses to someone else moments, maybe even days before. lol
Well he could give it to feed poor african children or help cancer research or to pay my rent, but it's his money so its kinda useless for others to complain that he's using it wrong :/
On July 29 2010 11:30 v3chr0 wrote: Fayth, props for throwing this money up, but IMO it'd be better spent on a tournament. Right now, 2,000 USD will get you the best players there is to compete and itd be more... timely and a lot more visual. :D
Just my thoughts.
Edit: You also have the chance of being hunted and murdered by someone who loses to someone else moments, maybe even days before. lol
Well he could give it to feed poor african children or help cancer research or to pay my rent, but it's his money so its kinda useless for others to complain that he's using it wrong :/
I can't find the part where I was complaining or saying he is "wrong", I guess "props for throwing money up", "IMO" and "just my thoughts" weren't enough to stop you from writing what you wrote. While poor African children or cancer are a greater cause, they don't involve Starcraft 2.
Heh. Well, if this is legit that could bite you in the ass. It's only ~23 wins per day. A game takes ~10-20 minutes normally, so anyone playing 7+ hours who is good with all three races could do this. It's a pretty crappy payoff for that amount of work, but those people would be playing that much with or without the bet.
I wouldn't do this even if I had a 100% win rate and he was paying 10x as much... I can't believe some of you are considering the challenge! It's such a huge RL sacrifice...
On July 29 2010 11:59 Nikhedoniac wrote: I wouldn't do this even if I had a 100% win rate and he was paying 10x as much... I can't believe some of you are considering the challenge! It's such a huge RL sacrifice...
what, you wouldn't do it for 20 000$? 4000 games in 6 months for 20 000$, that's like a full time job, people get paid less than that to work at mcdonald, you're playing SC2 here
i don't think this is doable for anyone, within 6months T_T if they manage to do it then they're probably going to end up getting sick for playing so many hours everyday non stop -.-
On July 29 2010 11:00 zomgtossrush wrote: Either some validity or contact/website or something more official needs to set up, or the admins need to close this thread and ban you.
We don't need a bunch of stupid posts.
Fayth has more than enough money, as well as more than good enough of a reputation for this thread to be perfectly reasonable.
i barely have 4k games played on my sc1 account and that took me 4 years..and not all of them are wins xD however i expect to play more sc2 then i did sc1 for sure. not that i count myself in this running at all
We all know this isn't possible. Anyone with enough free time to grind this could easily make more doing something else like selling lemonade 8 hours a day for 6 months.
Despite that, you have to consider:
-Server down time, during beta servers would be down almost all day before a patch. I don't play WoW but I think this is a common thing for that game, it could be for SC2 too.
-Search times. Assuming you aren't bad and can keep 60%, you will eventually get so high ranked you won't have anyone near your "ELO" or whatever to match. Meaning you will probably have to lose games intentionally to be able to keep matching at a good rate.
-People will know what you are doing eventually, have fun NOT playing a 1 hour game with someone who wants you to play a 1 hour game. Suddenly you're no where near even 20 wins a day.
Honestly, you're absolutely right. The whole point of this though is to garner interest towards players playing ladder - players of ANY skill level. OP really is just contributing towards the ESPORTS movement more than anything else so IMO props for him
On July 29 2010 12:17 PokePill wrote: We all know this isn't possible. Anyone with enough free time to grind this could easily make more doing something else like selling lemonade 8 hours a day for 6 months.
Despite that, you have to consider:
-Server down time, during beta servers would be down almost all day before a patch. I don't play WoW but I think this is a common thing for that game, it could be for SC2 too.
-Search times. Assuming you aren't bad and can keep 60%, you will eventually get so high ranked you won't have anyone near your "ELO" or whatever to match. Meaning you will probably have to lose games intentionally to be able to keep matching at a good rate.
-People will know what you are doing eventually, have fun NOT playing a 1 hour game with someone who wants you to play a 1 hour game. Suddenly you're no where near even 20 wins a day.
On July 29 2010 12:02 Fayth wrote: 23 wins per day assuming you have a good ratio which would be 2:1 is still 6000 games, I doubt people would play that much ladder without this
Kiwikaki is a sick grinder and he says it's really tough, he even told me 7 months would be fair, but screw this, I made it 6 months
On July 29 2010 11:59 Nikhedoniac wrote: I wouldn't do this even if I had a 100% win rate and he was paying 10x as much... I can't believe some of you are considering the challenge! It's such a huge RL sacrifice...
what, you wouldn't do it for 20 000$? 4000 games in 6 months for 20 000$, that's like a full time job, people get paid less than that to work at mcdonald, you're playing SC2 here
Firstly, I didn't mean to come off so harsh; I appreciate that your initiative is well-intentioned and I like it.
But, yes, I was serious. Aside from the fact that my current job pays me more than 20,000/6months, I plainly wouldn't do it as it'd ruin my life. Period. I wouldn't have time to socialise or exercise or anything!
Someone should keep a close contact with him for the next coming years also, maybe there should be some sort of box infront of the TL front page about the $2000 Fayth Contest and shall remain for a long time so no one would forget.
On July 29 2010 11:59 Nikhedoniac wrote: I wouldn't do this even if I had a 100% win rate and he was paying 10x as much... I can't believe some of you are considering the challenge! It's such a huge RL sacrifice...
what, you wouldn't do it for 20 000$? 4000 games in 6 months for 20 000$, that's like a full time job, people get paid less than that to work at mcdonald, you're playing SC2 here
Firstly, I didn't mean to come off so harsh; I appreciate that your initiative is well-intentioned and I like it.
But, yes, I was serious. Aside from the fact that my current job pays me more than 20,000/6months, I plainly wouldn't do it as it'd ruin my life. Period. I wouldn't have time to socialise or exercise or anything!
Yeah, its not for everyone (or even most people), thats what makes it a challenge. IMO it will be done in under 6 by someone for the challenge and bragging rights alone, even without a money bounty.
Optimal way to play would be just early cheese a lot and lose fast probably... Getting a good win ratio in midlength games might be worse than a bit worse ratio but with all games ending fast. Then your rank is lower too which might speed up matchmaking as well.
Dunno how much exactly you'd start running into the same ppl tho, in that time
Easiest way to get the wins is to tank your placement, cheese every game, and whenever you start playing people who are even relatively good, just quit every game as soon as it starts. You can probably do it if you proxy gate, six pool, and 7 rax reaper your way through bronze league, and just quit at the start of every game if you get moved up until you get put back in it.
On July 29 2010 12:40 JohannesH wrote: Optimal way to play would be just early cheese a lot and lose fast probably... Getting a good win ratio in midlength games might be worse than a bit worse ratio but with all games ending fast. Then your rank is lower too which might speed up matchmaking as well.
Dunno how much exactly you'd start running into the same ppl tho, in that time
this. There can't be that many bronze leaguers who reliably sign on often
3000 wins (1000 as random, and 2000 as the other 3 races)
With a 50% win rate and an average of 15 mins per game in the span of 183 days (rounded up from average), it'll require 6000 games, 90 000 minutes, 1500 hours.
Thats 33 games a day (at the latest possible deadline), 495 minutes a day, or 8 hours and 15 minutes a day of game time, without factoring que'ing,
While factoring que'ing, you'd be making roughly a dollar an hour (1.33 without factoring).
On July 29 2010 12:41 Newguy wrote: Easiest way to get the wins is to tank your placement, cheese every game, and whenever you start playing people who are even relatively good, just quit every game as soon as it starts. You can probably do it if you proxy gate, six pool, and 7 rax reaper your way through bronze league, and just quit at the start of every game if you get moved up until you get put back in it.
yes you can do that but my friend tried to move down league once and he left 30 games in a row and didn't get moved down lol
Haha wow, this achievement in general seems very near impossible. Let's say you win 2/3 of your games and you do an all in every game, so 10 minutes per game with everything seems reasonable. So that's 60,000 minutes or about 2,500 hours. So unless I did my math wrong, we are talking over 100 days of playtime in 6 months or 183 days. Meaning that's 14 hours a day. I think fayth made it more of a joke since even one million dollars couldn't keep a player playing like this, can't keep focus etc etc. Although I do think Ill switch races after 1000 wins, since that achievement would be a nice bragging right (I guess?) 3 or 4 years from now.
This reminds me of runescape all over again, and the race to all 99s -.-
And that's with 100% win record. Of course, since you have to play all three races, it's much more likely you'll need at least 6000 games to get 4000 wins.
That's 1000 games per month. Over 33 games per day.
Assuming you come up with awesome cheeses and around ten-minute games (including score screen and finding a new game), you're looking at 220-330 minutes per day... that's 4-6 hours per day just to attempt this feat within the six month time limit.
We won't see this portrait for well over a year, IMO. Of course, hardcore gamers never cease to amaze me...
Playing random and winning does get you both the win and as random and the race you got, however 1000 wins as each race is a tough feat in 6 months. Still gonna try though :D
On July 29 2010 13:17 naonao wrote: Playing random and winning does get you both the win and as random and the race you got, however 1000 wins as each race is a tough feat in 6 months. Still gonna try though :D
oh well I guess it's better for those who plan on doing it
On July 29 2010 13:17 naonao wrote: Playing random and winning does get you both the win and as random and the race you got, however 1000 wins as each race is a tough feat in 6 months. Still gonna try though :D
People don't really seem to agree on this matter. Can sombody confirm how it REALLY works?
On July 29 2010 13:29 Fayth wrote: errr how would anybody ever achieve this if they reset before every 6 months?
lol that's wat i'm saying, wat if we've already played 500 games, and then one of those resets happen to apply the new patches w/e. Wouldn't it be good to know when Blizzard would do these resets? THough maybe they might keep all your achievements but just your ladder score... but that's the thing. we don't noe =S
How about, just make it 1k win of each race total? that would be the same, but it counts when there's a suprising reset. Ths game just came out afterall, hu knows what could happen after the first couple of patches that are due.
On July 29 2010 13:29 Fayth wrote: errr how would anybody ever achieve this if they reset before every 6 months?
lol that's wat i'm saying, wat if we've already played 500 games, and then one of those resets happen to apply the new patches w/e. Wouldn't it be good to know when Blizzard would do these resets? THough maybe they might keep all your achievements but just your ladder score... but that's the thing. we don't noe =S
How about, just make it 1k win of each race total? that would be the same, but it counts when there's a suprising reset. Ths game just came out afterall, hu knows what could happen after the first couple of patches that are due.
I highly doubt that Blizzard will erase achievements, ever. Thats kind of the point of achievements, and taking that away from your user base (especially the ones that have taken months of work) will do nothing but infuriate them. As such, Ladder resets will likely be just that. Leagues gets wiped, everyone places again. Progress will continue.
On July 29 2010 13:17 naonao wrote: Playing random and winning does get you both the win and as random and the race you got, however 1000 wins as each race is a tough feat in 6 months. Still gonna try though :D
People don't really seem to agree on this matter. Can sombody confirm how it REALLY works?
I've played only as random and have wins contributed towards the other races. It is confirmed
On July 29 2010 13:17 naonao wrote: Playing random and winning does get you both the win and as random and the race you got, however 1000 wins as each race is a tough feat in 6 months. Still gonna try though :D
People don't really seem to agree on this matter. Can sombody confirm how it REALLY works?
you could test it yourself by playing random, if u get a solo 10 win as terran while you've randomed terran 10 times and won then it works both ways
Say cheese works half the time and the avg cheese takes 7 minutes to see the end of.
That's only 4.6 hours a day everyday. There are lots of kids on here without jobs that could do that.
That in itself doesn't seem overly interesting, BUT what I like about this, is it's to see who can do it first. It's the invisible enemy so we might see it done in a ridiculous amount of time. ..... 2 months maybe? Thatd be 10 hours a day of cheesing with 50% win.....
Should be doable in a month for someone who has the time. I managed to get 20 wins on the first day and i did work all day and only got to play after work.
not much of a challenge if you proxygate/rax or 7pool imho. just leave early if your rush doesn't succeed.
On July 29 2010 14:27 jacen wrote: Should be doable in a month for someone who has the time. I managed to get 20 wins on the first day and i did work all day and only got to play after work.
not much of a challenge if you proxygate/rax or 7pool imho. just leave early if your rush doesn't succeed.
If you play 50 games a day you will need 20 days to just play 1k with 1 race, not talking about winning. If u win 60% it will take you no less than a month. And 50 games a day means no work, no study, no nothing, just play sc, sleep, eat, use bathroom, go for a walk once in awhile. So this isn't anywhere near doable in a months time lol, you are looking at at least 3-4 months.
Yeah go ahead try 7 pooling every game see what your winrate will be when u get higher haha.
I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
Doubt any of the profession will waste this much time just for $2000.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
Doubt any of the profession will waste this much time just for $2000.
Its not wasting time if this is what they are doing anyway. If you play sc2 full-time, all day, every day, you have a good chance of covering this many matches in that timeframe. You also have the skills necessary to win most of your matches.
I'll tell you right now, almost none of the top players will go for this, only one of the eastern europeans might try because of the money. I can see white-ra or dimaga going at it, but it's not their style of play at all. Plus different tournaments and other stuff will be in the way.
Maybe TT1? Seems like someone who could pull this off.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
especially if they patch something and break the game (remember that zerg larvae bug during the beta?) by accident, they'd have to reset. crazy awesome that Fayth is doing this, I've a gut feeling that resets will ruin this tho =/
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
Doubt any of the profession will waste this much time just for $2000.
You're joking right dude? It's a fact that EVERY pro SC2 player practices 6-8 hours MINIMUM a DAY. I didn't make this up for fun, TLO even said he practices by laddering, not custom games. So you do the math, he could reach this goal easy just by maintaining his pro status and ability. I don;t see why you guys think a pro WOULDN'T do this. If they have to practice there wins will go up ANYWAY. It's almost common sense stuff were talking about here guys... Common now...
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
especially if they patch something and break the game (remember that zerg larvae bug during the beta?) by accident, they'd have to reset. crazy awesome that Fayth is doing this, I've a gut feeling that resets will ruin this tho =/
Wait what? Blizzard would reset stats sure, but achievements? I don't think so. I'm sure if you are at 800 wins they won't change that to 0 in the achievements section. Like come on, then that achievement would be impossible.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
especially if they patch something and break the game (remember that zerg larvae bug during the beta?) by accident, they'd have to reset. crazy awesome that Fayth is doing this, I've a gut feeling that resets will ruin this tho =/
but even if they reset the ladder I think stats will still stay, like for the achievement ur games will still be recorded, or else it would be totally retarded lol
On July 29 2010 14:52 News wrote: It doesn't matter if they reset, you can just screenshot and document everything before the reset, not like it's that much of a problem.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
especially if they patch something and break the game (remember that zerg larvae bug during the beta?) by accident, they'd have to reset. crazy awesome that Fayth is doing this, I've a gut feeling that resets will ruin this tho =/
but even if they reset the ladder I think stats will still stay, like for the achievement ur games will still be recorded, or else it would be totally retarded lol
true, for release at least
I was thinking of those full resets during the beta, but I suppose only stats-wipes would occur post-release
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
P.S. Someone conatact Blizzard NOW and tell them about this so they don't erase stats. I'm sure they would think this is a good idea, I mean, they did say they want to support E-Sports and events of this sort.
Doubt any of the profession will waste this much time just for $2000.
You're joking right dude? It's a fact that EVERY pro SC2 player practices 6-8 hours MINIMUM a DAY. I didn't make this up for fun, TLO even said he practices by laddering, not custom games. So you do the math, he could reach this goal easy just by maintaining his pro status and ability. I don;t see why you guys think a pro WOULDN'T do this. If they have to practice there wins will go up ANYWAY. It's almost common sense stuff were talking about here guys... Common now...
lol Blizzard isn't going to not reset the ladder/stats because of some guy's promise to pay out 2 grand to whoever gets this truly monstrous achievement first ^^
I was being sarcastic.
TLO is probably the only one who would do this with the "benefit" of practice, since he used to always play random. Everybody else, not so much.
On July 29 2010 14:33 ckw wrote: I think someone like IrdA, TLO or whatever is going to take this. They have to practice 8 hours + a day anyway, and probably win most of their games. This would just be more funds for their profession. Right? GL HF...
I doubt any pro will get this achv. considering that would be playing min. 3000 games as your off race.
TLO is probably the only one who would do this with the "benefit" of practice, since he used to always play random. Everybody else, not so much.
I think that now that the game is actually released and competition is only going to get better. TLO will have to pick a race or he might not be able to keep up
TLO has a good chance of getting this, since he used to play random anyways. Right up his alley. He could also get some extra Protoss practice in, and really know his enemy inside out.
This single thread made me consider dropping classes next semester to devote time to this challenge. Amazed at the offer, and I can't wait to see the results.
HAHA the grinding scene from South Park's Warcraft episode. Actually I have high hopes for the winner. Anyone down for a proposition bet? $100 says 3 months.
On July 29 2010 12:57 Skillz_Man wrote: Haha wow, this achievement in general seems very near impossible. Let's say you win 2/3 of your games and you do an all in every game, so 10 minutes per game with everything seems reasonable. So that's 60,000 minutes or about 2,500 hours. So unless I did my math wrong, we are talking over 100 days of playtime in 6 months or 183 days. Meaning that's 14 hours a day. I think fayth made it more of a joke since even one million dollars couldn't keep a player playing like this, can't keep focus etc etc. Although I do think Ill switch races after 1000 wins, since that achievement would be a nice bragging right (I guess?) 3 or 4 years from now.
This reminds me of runescape all over again, and the race to all 99s -.-
Your lack of belief in the ability of a human being is disappointing. You should take a look at some of the endurance bets in the poker world, a lot of people take challenges where they have a month or two where they have to play 15+ hours a day to keep up with their pace. The rewards are, of course, huge but not even close to one million.
There are a lot of people that could go for the challenge proposed by Fayth, progamers play around 40-60 games a day and if an attempting US/euro progamer sees this and is already going for such volume he might as well play multiple races for the added profits.
A great challenge Fayth, lets just hope there's not too many people mass accsharing/lossbotting when attempting this.
On July 29 2010 12:57 Skillz_Man wrote: Haha wow, this achievement in general seems very near impossible. Let's say you win 2/3 of your games and you do an all in every game, so 10 minutes per game with everything seems reasonable. So that's 60,000 minutes or about 2,500 hours. So unless I did my math wrong, we are talking over 100 days of playtime in 6 months or 183 days. Meaning that's 14 hours a day. I think fayth made it more of a joke since even one million dollars couldn't keep a player playing like this, can't keep focus etc etc. Although I do think Ill switch races after 1000 wins, since that achievement would be a nice bragging right (I guess?) 3 or 4 years from now.
This reminds me of runescape all over again, and the race to all 99s -.-
If you do random first you can cut out 1000 wins
So if you do 4500 games and win 2/3 of those you are at 1000 wins for all races. If you do an all in rush itll be over way earlier than 10 minutes, probably closer to the 7 minute mark. Thats 31.5k minutes or 525 hours or about 22 days of played time, or about 3 hours a day for the next 6 months. Also, you did mess up on the math since 60k minutes = 1k hours (60 minutes in an hour, you did 24 minutes in an hour). If you can manage to get a 2/3 win rate for each race this is easily doable in 6 months for a lot of people.
What about leaving half your matches, in order to stay in bronze and beat noobs with 6 pools. That would certainly be the fastest way to do this challenge.
On July 29 2010 18:51 lololol wrote: What about leaving half your matches, in order to stay in bronze and beat noobs with 6 pools. That would certainly be the fastest way to do this challenge.
just cheese and rush every game. leave if they are good.
The sheer amount of games needed means going down to bronze is a waste of time. It might make the first 100 or so easier but then you will just be back in diamond and need another 2900 more. So really the best way is just to win.
or bribe some employee at blizzard after 5 months 29 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds and give him 1k if he just makes an account with the wins necessary but then he'll also have to make it more reliable by adding losses
How is Fayth intending on tracking down whether someone shared his account or not beside good manners? Manners tend to be not enough when dealing with money.
On July 29 2010 19:35 ScArY_ wrote: How can one prove that he didnt in fact share his account ? Is that even possible ? Not afaik.
It is in fact not possible to say if someone shared his account. So its all about manners.
Well, if a person has played over 3000 games then he/she will probably have to play the same people multiple times, there bound to be someone who can realize the different play style, no?
On July 29 2010 19:35 ScArY_ wrote: How can one prove that he didnt in fact share his account ? Is that even possible ? Not afaik.
It is in fact not possible to say if someone shared his account. So its all about manners.
Well, if a person has played over 3000 games then he/she will probably have to play the same people multiple times, there bound to be someone who can realize the different play style, no?
except that its all done in bronze league so nobody of notable credibility will notice anything.
wow, this is an amazing offer. I'm in the SEA server so is not eligible. However, as someone said, it just takes 22 wins a day.
But, suppose I have a win rate of 50%, that means I'll need to play 44 games a day. At 10 minutes a game, that's 440 minutes. So I have to play more than 7 hours every single day for the next 6 months! O.O" Simply impossible with the RL commitments.
Grinding method: 1. Fail all placement matches. (Optional) 2. Lose every game by quitting at the start until you're at the lowest rank of the lowest league. 3. 6pool/5gate/5rax every game to grind wins. 4. After you get promoted, repeat steps 2-3.
Stop with the bronze league, restrict this to diamond only, it will solve half the problems. A winner has to provide his replay pack which will eliminate the possibility of account sharing.
On July 29 2010 21:09 Nihility wrote: Well, if a person has played over 3000 games then he/she will probably have to play the same people multiple times, there bound to be someone who can realize the different play style, no?
No What about I'm playing Toss, my Brother plays Zerg and a friend does the Terran matches. So the different play style can be explained by playing different with every race. And just the suspicion of somebody doesnt proof anything. Its impossible to proof, except with a constant webcam-stream :D^^
Based on final beta stats for phase 2, the highest number of wins in the diamond league was around 650 per month (assuming 11 days of beta). Extrapolating that data would mean 4000 wins in 6 months is, indeed, feasible.
However, this does not take into account the fact that people will do worse in off-races which would decrease the win per month stat. I believe that the person to do this would, more likely than not, be a random player. Also, maintaining that large amount of games for a 6 month periods will burn you out, if you are not a pro player.
On July 29 2010 21:09 Nihility wrote: Well, if a person has played over 3000 games then he/she will probably have to play the same people multiple times, there bound to be someone who can realize the different play style, no?
No What about I'm playing Toss, my Brother plays Zerg and a friend does the Terran matches. So the different play style can be explained by playing different with every race. And just the suspicion of somebody doesnt proof anything. Its impossible to proof, except with a constant webcam-stream :D^^
Eh, maybe, but in order to get the "2-in-1" you need to start a lot of games with Random (at least till you get 1000 wins), so you'd have to be sitting there next to eachother for say... 1500 games if you're really good. Is it really worth it? No.
TLO could do this if he had the time. It's actually just 16,6 wins/day if you random all the time (and start picking once you've set 1000 wins for random). And if you're really good (like TLO is), you could perhaps get 17 wins out of every... 25 games? At least at the start.
So 25 games per day -> about 6h15m with average of 15m/game.
It's no question that it can't be done. It definitely can. It's just a matter of who will do it first. I know there are lots of people who play more than 6h/day. All they have to do is play with random and they're on track for the win.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT 4000 WINS, IT'S 3000. - This matters, stop saying 4000 is too much and stuff like that.
Is it allowed to lose games on purpose to drop in the ranking? I think this actually matters alot.. Could just stay in copper league forever and 10 rax reaper/8 pool/proxy gate every game
hmm 3000 wins will take about 5000 games. 15 minutes each is 1250 hours, which if spent working would be $25,000 for myself so I doubt I will compete in this challenge.
On July 29 2010 22:24 Inkarnate wrote: hmm 3000 wins will take about 5000 games. 15 minutes each is 1250 hours, which if spent working would be $25,000 for myself so I doubt I will compete in this challenge.
Well if you are attempting to be good in sc2, this will be a nice extra. Alot of semipros could see this as a nice challenge and play alot because of it.
Stop with the bronze league, restrict this to diamond only, it will solve half the problems. A winner has to provide his replay pack which will eliminate the possibility of account sharing.
Winnar. Honestly the replay pack should be a MUST for this much money, this has to be legit and although it will be A LOT of replays to review, I can bet the community together would view most of them just out of curiosity. Just to see how good this player actually is.
Get a job at Mcdees and make $2000 in 1 month, well maybe less but still lol
Way less man, it's more like 800-1000 a month, I worked there before. O_o ,,
Hey fayth, I see you're from Quebec... Were you at lan ETS 2008 with kiwi playing poker? I was the cs 1.6 admin and I remember kiwi playing like a gazillion tables at a time with someone...
(sorry for off topic, I could have just pm'd you instead)
For everyone claiming about ladder resets, beta hard resets won't be like the launch ladder resets, names will be kept, as will total wins with each race (the achievement count), the only thing that will reset is your ladder rankings and such. This is how it was done in wc3, it would be silly to change it.
And as for pro's, i can't see any of them except for TLO even bothering with this, because it would require playing 3000~ games outside of their main race (i count random as being outside your main), which will cause them to lose more games, and be out of practice with their main race.
On July 29 2010 23:55 SoL[9] wrote: This is impossible... Fayth if you wanna spend your money spend in hosting a tournament with good players not a crazy/wild quest.
Ah I completely miss-understood this entire achievement. I didn't know you needed that amount of wins with EACH race? Yeah no pro's would hinder their practice like that except maybe TLO... Sowwy guys!
Btw, thank you Fayth... With all the new sponsors coming around it's nice to see an individual give this much support to the community. I wouldn't give my money up to anyone but you are a greater man than I.
This is totally possible. I see it happening in under 3 months...
Say cheese works half the time and the avg cheese takes 7 minutes to see the end of.
That's only 4.6 hours a day everyday. There are lots of kids on here without jobs that could do that.
That in itself doesn't seem overly interesting, BUT what I like about this, is it's to see who can do it first. It's the invisible enemy so we might see it done in a ridiculous amount of time. ..... 2 months maybe? Thatd be 10 hours a day of cheesing with 50% win which isn't necessarily more time than some people spend on their computers a day.
First you get the e peen, then you get the money, then you get the women (Who are actually guys just using female characters)
On July 29 2010 22:24 Inkarnate wrote: hmm 3000 wins will take about 5000 games. 15 minutes each is 1250 hours, which if spent working would be $25,000 for myself so I doubt I will compete in this challenge.
Let's say this is true, (and this is being optimistic)
1250h for 2000$ is about 1.6$ per hour, which is about 1.22€. And this is being severely underpaid I do almost double of that per hour working as lifeguard, and lifeguard is a very poorly paid job, so... nah The only people i can see doing this, are the ones that already play a lot independently of this.
1250h for 2000$ is about 1.6$ per hour, which is about 1.22€. And this is being severely underpaid I do almost double of that per hour working as lifeguard, and lifeguard is a very poorly paid job, so... nah The only people i can see doing this, are the ones that already play a lot independently of this.
On July 29 2010 21:09 Nihility wrote: Well, if a person has played over 3000 games then he/she will probably have to play the same people multiple times, there bound to be someone who can realize the different play style, no?
No What about I'm playing Toss, my Brother plays Zerg and a friend does the Terran matches. So the different play style can be explained by playing different with every race. And just the suspicion of somebody doesnt proof anything. Its impossible to proof, except with a constant webcam-stream :D^^
I could bribe a blizzard employee, do some IP check or something o_o
6 months, about 180 days. 3000 wins basically, so about 17 wins a day. Each win takes about say 15 minutes, so it's a little over 4 hours a day. Then you also factor in losses so if you're a very high level player, say you win at a 3:2 ratio. So that would mean 3000 wins, 2000 losses, and say on average each game is 15 minutes long. That's 1250 hours, or 52 days straight. 1250 hours divided by the 180 days you have to achieve this goal equals about 7 hours a day.
So basically you gotta play 7 hours a day for the next 6 months and win 60% of your games to barely achieve this.
If you'd win 50% of your games, that's 6000 games, which is about 8+ hours a day.
Maybe IdrA can do it with his practice schedule full, but probably not the average person within 6 months, but Asia can't participate lol.
I don't think this can be achieved by anyone, but if someone actually does it, they definitely deserve the $2000.
You have to win 4000 games in 6 months, or 183 days. That amounts to ~22 wins a day. 22 wins a day is pretty hard considering that you will be losing a lot of games when you are at a very high ELO. A good high ELO player will win about 60% of games. So each day, you'll have to play about 40 games. If each game takes an average of 20 minutes, then you will have to do nothing but play sc for 6 months straight.
i guess he would better cheese EVERY game to finish quick. and once in a while just loose 25 games in a row (forfeit immediately after game starts) so he is demoted to platinum.
If everybody does this, the game will be ruined :|
It should be something more like... win 2500 games, and have a ratio higher than......... some value.
On July 30 2010 01:24 dhe95 wrote: Chairman Ray got ninja'd, but since random games do also count as other races (according to OP), only 3000 games are needed
Hoping you get each race equally. The best would be to play random until you get one of the races completed to 1000, then just switch between those 2 races to finish off the rest.
Its simply not possible unless you are account sharing, or simply do nothing else for 6 months. 8000 games in 6 months (lets be honest here most people are not going to end up going 50% with their worst race) 41 games a day, every day. The quickest games you could have are basically 6 minutes, people hear about you going for the achievement and grief you by not leaving games until you've killed everything. Probably on average will be more than 10 hours every day of playing, even people without a life that would be hard to pull off.
Anyone playing enough to have a shot at this would get really fucking good really fucking quickly and be well above a 50% win rate after the first few hundred games or so (unless they were just cheesing every game).
You should add some sort of stipulation that people doing this have to be diamond, or atleast platinum or above. Because as people have said, regardless of how you look at it the best way to win this is by just losing games , which you can do basically instantly, and then keep meeting faceroll opponents who have 4 scvs entire game.Which I am sure we can agree on is outside of the spirit of the bet. Any player who considers taking this challenge will be fairly hardcore and should have no problem staying in atleast platinum league, which means he will meet atleast some halfcapable opponents. Not 100% sure how to keep track of this but i guess you could just say that to claim the prize, any half serious comeptitor would have to contact you, (Or for example contact you when they have gotten 1k random wins) And give you Nick/ID so you can just check in every other day to see nobody is in the bronzes.
On July 29 2010 11:13 Unfurl wrote: Faith, just use that money to sponsor an awesome tournament
seems virtually impossible to do it within the timeframe you are specifying, as once you reach certain elo, you're not gonna be winning EVERY single game, especially with off-races and it being ladder.
1. Hook up a bot to play my account 2. 6 pool/proxygate/bunker-rush at bronze level 3. Quit if it fails. This should keep me in bronze. 4. ???? 5. Profit
1250h for 2000$ is about 1.6$ per hour, which is about 1.22€. And this is being severely underpaid I do almost double of that per hour working as lifeguard, and lifeguard is a very poorly paid job, so... nah The only people i can see doing this, are the ones that already play a lot independently of this.
Wait. What?
You earn €2.44/hour? Where do you live, bosnia?
No, i was talking about lifeguards who are poorly payed. 20€ / 10h, is the minimum then up to 60€ / 10h on hotter places. 10h is a day's work btw. I was trying to say that even a poorly paid job as lifeguard is better than this competition money-wise, but for those that do play a lot regardless, then maybe go for it
if you were serious about this. 22 win a day, 6 pool every game. it would take about 4 hours to get 20 wins assuming 50% win rate. Alternatively. game 1 6 pool, game 2 disconnect at start of game, game 3 6 pool. probably take about 2 and a half hours to get 20 wins. someone said 66 cents per win so 20 x 0.66 = 13 dollars /2.5 hours = 5 dollar an hour?
Doesn't seem worth it if you achieve it by grinding out boring stratergies. Doesn't seem possible if you just play normally. 60% win rate 20 minutes per game is more than 12 hours per day. Seriously?
Actually come to think of it you could play random. That might take it down to 9 hours a day, but thats still rediculous. You get sick and you have to catch up on 9 hours. I don't think I could play 9 hours a day for more than a fortnight before getting bored. It's an impossible request, make it a year, thats still a very tough challenge.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
That seems a little prohibitive but it is your money afterall. Good luck to anyone trying for this.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
That seems a little prohibitive but it is your money afterall. Good luck to anyone trying for this.
If i dont do this some people will abuse like mad and it just wont mean much anymore
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
That seems a little prohibitive but it is your money afterall. Good luck to anyone trying for this.
If i dont do this some people will abuse like mad and it just wont mean much anymore
So is it still ok to quit after the game starts so you can stay in the copper league?
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
That seems a little prohibitive but it is your money afterall. Good luck to anyone trying for this.
If i dont do this some people will abuse like mad and it just wont mean much anymore
So is it still ok to quit after the game starts so you can stay in the copper league?
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
That seems a little prohibitive but it is your money afterall. Good luck to anyone trying for this.
If i dont do this some people will abuse like mad and it just wont mean much anymore
I dont think cheesing every game is possible, so the rule is omittable. Maybe you should consider something like, 3000+win with a POSITIVE record, that will make people play for real not grinding... Very nice idea though With this, you may help alot of semi or wanna be pro fulfill their dream :D
I love WHO the people saying this guy isn't legit are lol. All the people who haven't heard of this guy before who just made accounts within the last 2 months
Fayth. I really appreciate this attempt to stimulate the community and the amazing prize you are offering, but I feel that this contest is doomed to failure or defilement. As many have mentioned, there's simply no good way to prevent account sharing from skewing the results. A lot of black blood and ill sentiment will flow through these boards when you finally do declare a winner. People will come out of the woodwork swearing up and down that they have evidence. Whether or not the guy did it legit, we won't be able to prove it one way or another and overall it's likely to leave the top few people that tried very hard with a sour taste in their mouths. I feel that this is an irresponsible thing to do. As others mentioned, you could hold a tournament or another event whose results wouldn't be thrown to the winds so easily, but it's definitely your money. I can only be certain that a percentage of people trying to win this will be account sharing from within the same house and sharing the same computer, because that's how you gain an edge at a contest like this, and SC players are all about gaining edges. I don't think the community can watch 4000 replays and have a reasonable certainty that they're all played by the same person, any minor discrepancy or detail will turn into fire and brimstone flamewar posts saying the guy cheated... Why not choose another contest that isn't so flayed open at the belly?
No longer speaking to Fayth from this point on in the post--I'm speaking to others in the thread. Remember that the SC2 1v1 ladder, like Poker, has a zero-sum element--there are never 2 winners in a 1v1. Far be it from me to discourage you from attempting to win this. Go for the rainbow, chase your dreams and all that jazz. Just don't get sucked into making an unrealistic effort at winning this contest because you have starry-eyed dreams that are not backed up by the grounding in reality necessary to see just what you're trying to do. 4000 wins, even if you average 10-12 minutes per win somehow, that's over 1000 hours of nonstop winning. You'll be competing with others who have the same idea, and each time you win you run the risk of raising your league and getting in against diamond players. If you're a bronze, copper, silver, whatever the hell player on average, you're probably being made a joke of by claiming to try and win this tournament. Don't forget drops, lagging out, service outages, getting rushed on the one map you don't know as well as the rest.
Mods, apologies if I'm being excessively negative but I truly thought about this and think it's a bad idea. If Fayth is just taking a very indirect route toward trying to get more people playing on the 1v1 ladder to serve as fish, then I'm sure it will be successful, but with a $2000 prize for the offering I'd love to see him use that power toward creating some sort of awesome event or themed tournament using new maps and a selected playerbase. Not my money, though, I know!
edit: I made this post before seeing Fayth's most recent, stating that the winner would be disqualified for excessive cheesing. Really, when you start having to make qualifiers like that to even give the contest a chance at veracity, you ought to see that you have taken a poor approach...
I'm not so sure if all these concerns are valid. Really, the only person who could withhold such madness is someone who would play all those games anyways, as in: tries to go pro. Sure, three silver level players could play around the clock, one for each race, living in the same house, and finish first, but I doubt there is anyone with the commitment to do it for a lousy 666,6_ bucks. Nor will there be anyone crazy enough to cheese over five thousand games (or three thousand, if leaving every second game). That's why I think there will be a legit winner or no winner at all. Or a winner that has to go into a psychiatry afterwards
On July 30 2010 03:56 Backpeddle wrote: play 40 games each day if u got a decent winrate atleast, and in weekends play even more, doable if u rly have no life.
For a year? I don't think it's possible. However, if it was possible, well, doing something like this would ruin someone's life. I do not envy the winner. I actually think this contest may be unethical, with such a strict timeframe. Not the kind of thing I would be endorsing if I was Fayth.
On July 30 2010 03:56 Backpeddle wrote: play 40 games each day if u got a decent winrate atleast, and in weekends play even more, doable if u rly have no life.
For a year? I don't think it's possible. However, if it was possible, well, doing something like this would ruin someone's life. I do not envy the winner. I actually think this contest may be unethical, with such a strict timeframe. Not the kind of thing I would be endorsing if I was Fayth.
I completely agree, I'm a bit astonished this is being allowed.
cheese is something that is litterally an all in within like 4 minutes and insta leave if it fails, It's fine if someone cheese, fails and keep playing trying to come back
On July 30 2010 03:56 Backpeddle wrote: play 40 games each day if u got a decent winrate atleast, and in weekends play even more, doable if u rly have no life.
For a year? I don't think it's possible. However, if it was possible, well, doing something like this would ruin someone's life. I do not envy the winner. I actually think this contest may be unethical, with such a strict timeframe. Not the kind of thing I would be endorsing if I was Fayth.
I completely agree, I'm a bit astonished this is being allowed.
geez you guys are overreacting, some people can do this without really trying hard, I've probably played poker like 10 hours a day for 1 year straight in 2008 and I didn't get sick or anything, some people work 80 hours / week and you don't see them drop dead after 6 months
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv
Isn't this, um, discriminatory and/or illegal for a contest?
why? it's his contest.
There are laws regarding contests that vary from state to state and country to country, and for the contest to be "legal," it has to adhere to every contest law in which it is open. That's why you see clauses like "Void where prohibited." Though it's an individual as opposed to an institution, so I'm not sure how much all of this holds.
At the very least, it should be clarified whether people living in Korea or people who are Korean are not allowed. You could say that Russians aren't allowed and still have that ambiguity.
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv
Isn't this, um, discriminatory and/or illegal for a contest?
why? it's his contest.
There are laws regarding contests that vary from state to state and country to country, and for the contest to be "legal," it has to adhere to every contest law in which it is open. That's why you see clauses like "Void where prohibited." Though it's an individual as opposed to an institution, so I'm not sure how much all of this holds.
At the very least, it should be clarified whether people living in Korea or people who are Korean are not allowed. You could say that Russians aren't allowed and still have that ambiguity.
On July 29 2010 10:59 Fayth wrote: well more like nobody from asia server then, if ur korean living in USA it's fine I guess
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv
Isn't this, um, discriminatory and/or illegal for a contest?
why? it's his contest.
There are laws regarding contests that vary from state to state and country to country, and for the contest to be "legal," it has to adhere to every contest law in which it is open. That's why you see clauses like "Void where prohibited." Though it's an individual as opposed to an institution, so I'm not sure how much all of this holds.
At the very least, it should be clarified whether people living in Korea or people who are Korean are not allowed. You could say that Russians aren't allowed and still have that ambiguity.
imo, this kinda thing would only be worth it if you also tried to improve while playing, as well as have a hole lot of fun doing it. The money would just be a added bonus; As the real reward would be a shiny new icon, bragging rights, and a awesome story.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
lol at the people that don't think this is even possible. are you guys serious?
there are much harder things in life that people do every day! grats to whoever does it. even if you learn very slowly, you'll still be good after that many games, haha.
On July 30 2010 05:07 frequency wrote: I really have no idea why people think TLO would do this...
Because they don't know any other significant name and just wanted to namedrop in a popular thread(tm) but had nothing to contribute to the discussion. That was my feeling anyway. I don't see why TLO would play 4000 games for a chance at 50 cents per game when he has the skills to potentially get paid $2000 for 15 games worth of tournament.
On July 30 2010 05:07 frequency wrote: I really have no idea why people think TLO would do this...
TLO could probably do it without trying.
He probably wins 16-20 games a day w/ random easily. The only hard part for him would probably be getting the Protoss wins as he's said he's leaning towards going only Zerg/Terran.
If it was just 4k wins with any race I might consider it. I don't think I could pull off a 25% winrate in diamond with zerg/terran until after 1-2 months.
On July 30 2010 16:29 Fayth wrote: lol "without trying", try asking him
okay okay maybe he'd have to try a little bit. but pretty much every pro would play at least 8+ hours a day. the top pros probably have 70-80%+ winrates easily. i'd imagine that a pro random player like TLO could probably manage this in 7-8-ish months without grinding for it easily.
sooooo yea. maybe he has to try...but just a little
On July 30 2010 16:33 Zulaan wrote: Whats the point of this? I mean why do you want to give away $2000 just for someone playing ALOT of games?
He probably finds it interesting, plus it's probably only like 50:50 or less than he has to pay anyone 2k. I don't think it's a lot of money to him, it's probably like 1 buyin.
why would i want 2,000 unless it was free? I rather somebody who really needs the money get it. Plus after 1000 solo games your better off practiicng in cg's with teammates.
btw.. is there an auto-replay renamer? this is at least 3000 replays.. it would suck to have to save every single replay...
plus.. what if some replays have cheese in them (i mean its inevitable)...
i think 3000 replays is well over a few gigs... but i guess this prize is just as ridiculous as the task at hand is... especially since there is no runner-up prize..it would suck to lose by a few hours.. lol
On July 31 2010 00:43 sikyon wrote: 16.666 wins a day. Even if you won every game, and each game only ran 10 minutes, you would be playing almost 3 hours a day, every day.
In comparison, it would require about 200 hours of work to earn 2000 dollars at $10/hour, and at 3 hours a day you would be looking at 6.6 months.
Hmmmmmm interesting.
Don't forget to factor in our shitty win%... so if we only win like.. 50%.. then we have to spend 6 hours a day.. which is $5.00 an hour.. lolol
On July 31 2010 00:50 TurboMaN wrote: OP you should better give the money to people who need this. There are many organisations who can do better things and are willing to help people.
I help plenty of people/organisations with my money.... it's not like I'm giving away all my money for this one thing lol
On July 31 2010 00:49 rS.Sinatra wrote: there is no god damn way in hell i am going to name every single replay i play manually... doing that 3000 times would be stupid-retarded...
Auto-rep?
On July 31 2010 00:25 peachsncream wrote: 7-8 months? i could do this in 2 months easily....
zerg 6-pool avg winrate 3:15 in beta i was 76-23 with 6-pool so 70% winrate well say 1400 games which is 75 hours total including wins and losses
no idea for the other 2, would prob just be cheese like 2 gate all ins or 4warp proxy pylon
Gawd this topic is very interesting and a funny challenge :D People shouldn't do it for the money but to have fun and for the achievement rather money (which you can earn in other ways faster). Maybe OP should add other achievements and if one of those achievements gets fullfilled the person gets 2k or something :D Would like to see those other almost impossible achievements within a certain timeframe ofcourse ^^
ok, so if im attempting this, hypothetically. would it be better to start out with one race at the time, or do the random first? cuz my terran is horrible.
My thoughts about this competition: Whos gonna review 3000+ games worth of replays? and who is gonna keep track of all of them? Also does it really matter if a person cheeses every game? A zen master achievement is a zen master achievement... Plus a person has to play a minimum of 17 games per day without missing a day and meet the deadline and that is without losing a single game. If a person achieves this before the deadline even with cheesing everygame, I say they deserve it =/
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
not to be a prick but you should define your "cheese".
A zerg going hatch before pool is extremely risky and if scouted can be fatal. Yet no one will call that cheesey and that can be easily abused especially againts non-aggresive players. Where as goign 5 gateways everyone screams cheese.
On July 31 2010 13:05 jyim89 wrote: ... If a person achieves this before the deadline even with cheesing everygame, I say they deserve it =/
I say they deserve it too... if YOU pay for the prize.
The problem with allowing cheesing, is that it will be likely someone who ends up writing a bot, and the bot will be so simple that the only way it can win, is to cheese the fights. However, from beta, we know there were some pretty well written AI's made from some players. Add an AI into a bot, and this will be a lot easier then people are thinking.
On July 30 2010 16:33 Zulaan wrote: Whats the point of this? I mean why do you want to give away $2000 just for someone playing ALOT of games?
Kicking back to the community he's been apart of for a while, and having a little fun for everyone in the process.
How is anybody gonna have a life and fun at the same time playing 4000 games in 6 months?
that's like a second work...seems more of a grind than actual fun... i'm just curious as to who would throw away 6 months of their life on this... but hey.. it's a craaaaaaaaaazy world
On August 01 2010 02:36 MasterFischer wrote: Why would you do this?
A testiment to human persistence or what?
Seems kinda pointless.. but whatever brah.. it's your dough throwin' around... just seems like a waste..
you can get a lotta fun for 2000 dollars...
meh.
why the hell not?
If a sc2 player/fan wants to spend his money to promote some sc2 competition.. that's awesome. How else would tourneys and such events even happen?
obviously $2,000 is a lot to some people.. but it's also nothing for others..
Also.. can people not read.. its not 4,000 wins.. its only 3,000. Win with random = "random" win + "race you got" win So if u start with 1000 random wins.. you technically already knocked off 2,000 worth of games
On July 31 2010 00:43 sikyon wrote: 16.666 wins a day. Even if you won every game, and each game only ran 10 minutes, you would be playing almost 3 hours a day, every day.
In comparison, it would require about 200 hours of work to earn 2000 dollars at $10/hour, and at 3 hours a day you would be looking at 6.6 months.
Hmmmmmm interesting.
Don't forget to factor in our shitty win%... so if we only win like.. 50%.. then we have to spend 6 hours a day.. which is $5.00 an hour.. lolol
Well the way Blizz wants the matchmaking to work a player will eventually be winning 50% of his games, so 6 hours a day doesn't sound too far from the reality.
seriously why does so many people think TLO would do this? he said in an interview that he wasn't going to play protoss anymore and focus only on Zerg/Terran, on the other hand everyone calling this a waste of time.. if someone manages to pull this off don't you think that his skills will have greatly improved? He's going to get recognized and most likely he's going to become a really good player.. which means that he could play in tourneys and win them and make even more money afterwards.
On July 31 2010 13:29 virgozero wrote: not to be a prick but you should define your "cheese".
A zerg going hatch before pool is extremely risky and if scouted can be fatal. Yet no one will call that cheesey and that can be easily abused especially againts non-aggresive players. Where as goign 5 gateways everyone screams cheese.
And how much is too much?
I'm pretty sure the rule is to prevent people from doing quick all-ins every game in order to accumulate wins quickly.
Think about it: if your goal is just to get wins as fast as possible without playing legit, you might as well do not only cheese like 6pool, but do something like a blind in-base 2gate proxy on 4p maps: pick a random base to send your probe to, and hope it's the one. If you guessed the right base, it's a free win, and if you guess wrong, it's an automatic loss, but a quick one. Even though you would lose most games doing this, you would probably win around 1/3 of the time, and your losses would only take like 2-3 minutes, so you would win quite a few games an hour while using a strategy that you know is bad and would never use if you were trying to win a single game.
yo .67 per game... like 20 mins each game and thats if you win.fuck lol man i dunno 2k sounds alot but if u break it down like that it aint shit. but hey what sucks the most is if your like the 2nd player to complete this. This is seriously detrimental to your health if you do this. i was gonna say increase the prize but that only attracts more attempters and only 1 of them get the money. imo fewer then 5 would ever achieve this in 6 months so imo they all should be awarded 2k not the first one only, money aint shit to you poker players anyway.
double edit. FIRST 3 gets 2k imo
just too painful for the other 2 imo if its first one only
On July 31 2010 12:52 Madkipz wrote: ok, so if im attempting this, hypothetically. would it be better to start out with one race at the time, or do the random first? cuz my terran is horrible.
Well random counts as a win for the race you are given as well, so it's obviously best to start as random for your first 1000 wins
The absolute fastest way to do this, if all you cared about was getting the achievement would be to drop your placements and cheese newbies while leaving every other game the second it finishes loading. Your wins will come much faster than at any other level of play but you'll maintain the 50% win rate so you probably wont be promoted. And it only takes ~1 minute to leave a game.
I dont think anyone in the right mind cares that much about these achievements. But if for some reason I wanted to be the first ever to get 1000 wins as all races, I'd do it this way
On August 01 2010 02:36 MasterFischer wrote: Why would you do this?
A testiment to human persistence or what?
Seems kinda pointless.. but whatever brah.. it's your dough throwin' around... just seems like a waste..
you can get a lotta fun for 2000 dollars...
meh.
why the hell not?
If a sc2 player/fan wants to spend his money to promote some sc2 competition.. that's awesome. How else would tourneys and such events even happen?
obviously $2,000 is a lot to some people.. but it's also nothing for others..
Also.. can people not read.. its not 4,000 wins.. its only 3,000. Win with random = "random" win + "race you got" win So if u start with 1000 random wins.. you technically already knocked off 2,000 worth of games
Usually tourneys and such are sponsored by big companies or organizations, rarely do we see smalltime fans do it. I'm not saying he shouldn't do it.. it's just.. I question his personal motives for doing it... I mean, he must get something extraordinarily out of this.. seeing as few people will probaly attempt this.. so I fail to see where the benefit of the entire community falls to place.. but yea yea.. cool... also... winning 1000 random games, is alot harder than the others.. but yea okay.. some time can be saved..
On August 01 2010 03:33 KiWiKaKi wrote: how about not working and playing a game , getting paid free money to get an icon that some one will eventually get anyway
How about skipping social life at work, social life in general, health deteoriation from playing so much and malnutrition, all at a whopping low low per-hour income ?
I think Fayth is being pretty generous here, yes you could work if you wanted the money, but hey, no way else will you have a shot to make $2000 playing a lot of starcraft 2. Even if you don't win, you'll improve a lot through this, and maybe find that a different race is right for you .
On July 29 2010 10:58 Tazza wrote: No way, I don;t believe your gonna do this. You are not going to pay 2000 dollars to someone in about a year. And thats racism against Koreans lol
Honestly I never liked your comments, you either post in the wrong section, flame someone, or just say a wrong fact straight out. It's racism against Koreans because they're pro? It's like someone excludes you out for being good, you won't feel as bad as saying you're excluded cuz your "... race ...." And Teamliquid says no posting in Korean, is that racism as well? and as long as you're in the US Server, no one will know your korean. @OP Lol still takes skills to cheese that much games
I'm definitely leaning towards the "not going to happen" side of this. That's way to many wins per day to actually be... worth it. Why not just get a job instead? XD It would be way more $ per hour.
i really doubt anyone will get this. sure the hardcore pros play all day but surely they priotize practice games with other pros and team mates over straight up laddering. plus take time away for tournaments and they wont have any time to even try this. anyways gl to anyone crazy enough to try it.
On August 01 2010 03:58 KiWiKaKi wrote: then go work at mcdonald if u dont want to do this challenge
lets see 0.50 cents a win with an average rush game of 5 minutes so 12 games an hour
12 games * 0.50 is $6.00 an hour providing a player wins every game and then goes on to winning the whole thing. Mc donalds employee here in the UK would receive £5.70 which translates to $8.98 an hour which is a guaranteed income.
Economically speaking mc D's is the sensible thing to go and do and anyone considering to do this challenge for a source of income shouldn't unless of course they can't work or unstable and a threat to society.
On August 01 2010 18:18 aka_star wrote: just go bronze spam 6 pools/proxy gate/ proxy rax... seems like a pointless exercise to be honest.
lol still hard to cheese, you win about 5-10 games you're gonna up a league, have fun cheesing pros in diamond league, and getting flamed at as well. Anyways cheesing that much games is still a hard task =.=
On August 01 2010 03:58 KiWiKaKi wrote: then go work at mcdonald if u dont want to do this challenge
lets see 0.50 cents a win with an average rush game of 5 minutes so 12 games an hour
12 games * 0.50 is $6.00 an hour providing a player wins every game and then goes on to winning the whole thing. Mc donalds employee here in the UK would receive £5.70 which translates to $8.98 an hour which is a guaranteed income.
Economically speaking mc D's is the sensible thing to go and do and anyone considering to do this challenge for a source of income shouldn't unless of course they can't work or unstable and a threat to society.
economically speaking you should never ever play starcraft 2
so stop bringing the argument that X job pays more than this challenge, I'm not offering a job here, I'm offering money to complete a challenge
lol why are people doing these stupid comparisons "McDonalds makes X"
Fayth's doing this because he has the money to do it, wants to see a challenging task completed, and gets a kick out of it. No one is going to sit at home and be like, "I need to win this challenge so I can feed my family or pay my rent", they're going to do it because they love playing the game and have the time to do so/want to improve and are looking to be a competitive player
Sweet offer, look forward to seeing how it plays out
Awesome idea. A lot of people with spare cash want to contribute to the community, and are working on things like hosting a tournament etc. The problem is, all the tourney's are online these days with no in person hype because - wait for it- there's no lan support.
I think this is a new take on the sponsoring of events, a cool contest, and I can't wait to see how long it takes.
On July 30 2010 16:31 PJA wrote: Does 4 gate proxy pylon PvP count as cheese?
If it was just 4k wins with any race I might consider it. I don't think I could pull off a 25% winrate in diamond with zerg/terran until after 1-2 months.
I'd will love to see a list of the players that are actually trying to beat this challenge from the sanctuary (rts-sanctuary.com) stats page:
KgKris United States Protoss 278 151 127 54.31% 54 mins ago Spesh United States Protoss 258 142 116 55.03% 56 mins ago decemvre Europe Zerg 258 144 114 55.81% 1 hrs 18 mins ago
I actually expect some people to do this in like 4 months ... Nowhere near impossible. I think you people are underestimating how hardcore some grinder are. I've been playing some MMOs for like 2 years myself, and 14h / day average for 4 months is totally doable.
On August 01 2010 03:33 KiWiKaKi wrote: how about not working and playing a game , getting paid free money to get an icon that some one will eventually get anyway
How about skipping social life at work, social life in general, health deteoriation from playing so much and malnutrition, all at a whopping low low per-hour income ?
If you'r so dead set against this competition gtfo then dude. You have something negative to say about everything, you just trolling or is a stick stuck up your butt?
And everyone making these stupid math equations trying to compare work with video games are simply looking at things very very wrong. You aren't getting hired to play, Fayth is being a cool person and dishing out cash to people who like the game and play a lot anyways. If you don't think it's worth it then don't do it and have fun working for McDonalds while everyone else plays for fun and maybe gets some cash on top of it.
Of course it inter-fears with your social life but common how many people let it do that already with no money incentive.
On August 02 2010 05:00 WormSy wrote: There is no health deteroriation for playing 10h / day if you dont do it stupidly ... An why wouldnt you eat ? That makes no sense at all
Well some people are far too dense to realize that in between games you can eat / do some push-ups / take a break etc.
On August 02 2010 05:22 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm pretty sure getting a job at Target or flipping burgers will net you more profit. This is not worth 2000 dollars.
On August 02 2010 05:22 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm pretty sure getting a job at Target or flipping burgers will net you more profit. This is not worth 2000 dollars.
hypothetically, would you rather play your favorite game at $6/hr or work at some store for $13/hr?
On August 02 2010 05:22 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm pretty sure getting a job at Target or flipping burgers will net you more profit. This is not worth 2000 dollars.
I just find it hysterical that I just posted a response to all of these "Well I can make more money doing *Insert stupid job here* then playing for fun!" And it continues... Anyway, has anyone taken this challenge on seriously yet or are people getting jobs at their local burger joint instead? Just curious as to whom is going for this.
This isn't playing games to live off of those 2000 dollars. It's doing your hobby that you would do anyway. But with an opportunity to make some money out of it.
On August 02 2010 05:22 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm pretty sure getting a job at Target or flipping burgers will net you more profit. This is not worth 2000 dollars.
I just find it hysterical that I just posted a response to all of these "Well I can make more money doing *Insert stupid job here* then playing for fun!" And it continues... Anyway, has anyone taken this challenge on seriously yet or are people getting jobs at their local burger joint instead? Just curious as to whom is going for this.
Sorry, I don't have time to read 20 pages of a thread like some people.
On August 02 2010 05:22 cr4ckshot wrote: I'm pretty sure getting a job at Target or flipping burgers will net you more profit. This is not worth 2000 dollars.
I just find it hysterical that I just posted a response to all of these "Well I can make more money doing *Insert stupid job here* then playing for fun!" And it continues... Anyway, has anyone taken this challenge on seriously yet or are people getting jobs at their local burger joint instead? Just curious as to whom is going for this.
Sorry, I don't have time to read 20 pages of a thread like some people.
NP man, wasn't trying to be mean but on the flip side I didn't post that 20 pages ago, it was actually 2 posts above your's.
By January 28th? There was a popular post on the Blizzard forums with some calculations. Apparently if you're playing 15 minute games on average, it would take you 700+ days of 4 hour sessions to get all 8 of these including the team achievements.
Since we're only dealing with 1v1 achievements, I guess this would take a bit less than 187 days of 8 hour sessions, assuming that all of your games are around 15 minutes long and that you maintain your 1:1 ratio. Actually 6 months seems exactly right.
Although, 8 hours every day? Hmm. 8 Hours seems like too much for an RTS.
On August 02 2010 08:35 spark19725 wrote: By January 28th? There was a popular post on the Blizzard forums with some calculations. Apparently if you're playing 15 minute games on average, it would take you 700+ days of 4 hour sessions to get all 8 of these including the team achievements.
Since we're only dealing with 1v1 achievements, I guess this would take a bit less than 187 days of 8 hour sessions, assuming that all of your games are around 15 minutes long and that you maintain your 1:1 ratio. Actually 6 months seems exactly right.
Although, 8 hours every day? Hmm. 8 Hours seems like too much for an RTS.
If you win every game you play, play for 12 hours a day and average 15 minutes per game, you'll accomplish this achievement in just under 63 days. A person with a grinding personality, a lot of free time, and 50% win ratio should be capable of it inside of 4 months... so check back here sometime in November, or maybe sometime mid-October if Nony/Qxc/WhiteRa decide to go for it. At $0.66 per win the opportunity cost for this is horribad. On the plus side, anyone that seriously attempts this is gonna gain tons of experience. GL
I'd advise quitting any game that looks like you'll lose slowly. At a certain point you may want to quit any game that seems like it'll go over 40 minutes-- even if you think you can win eventually.
On August 02 2010 05:33 nujgnoy wrote: This isn't playing games to live off of those 2000 dollars. It's doing your hobby that you would do anyway. But with an opportunity to make some money out of it.
Not if you do the math. Approaching this challenge casually will lead to failure, guaranteed. Fayth's put a time limit on this thing. Imo, you won't be able to do it (let alone be first to do it) unless you're approaching SC2 like someone that's gonna turn it into a career.
On July 30 2010 16:31 PJA wrote: Does 4 gate proxy pylon PvP count as cheese?
If it was just 4k wins with any race I might consider it. I don't think I could pull off a 25% winrate in diamond with zerg/terran until after 1-2 months.
It's actually only 3k wins
It's actually 4k wins. if you win as random it counts as a win by playing random. not Z,P or T.
the only thing that's not legit about this is the requirement.... not even tasteless or day9 can pull this off since they can random 4000 (non cheesy) games at 15 minutes each is 60000 minutes 41 days NON STOP playing. that's nearly a month and a half, and that's if you WIN them all.
Keep an eye out for this cat or anyone else who may try to dischack his way to wins. I don't think "Ownage" will get it, since he's on a trial, but when games only last 17 seconds or so...
gl hf to anyone attempting this. Props to Fayth for doing this.
The current win leader (KBJ) has 178 wins already... is on pace. OH wait. Korean. Figures. Klingsward.EU 152 wins. Spesh.US has 146 Hmm if they can keep it up, maybe. Probably not.
On August 02 2010 09:17 Tadzio wrote: If you win every game you play, play for 12 hours a day and average 15 minutes per game, you'll accomplish this achievement in just under 63 days. A person with a grinding personality, a lot of free time, and 50% win ratio should be capable of it inside of 4 months... so check back here sometime in November, or maybe sometime mid-October if Nony/Qxc/WhiteRa decide to go for it. At $0.66 per win the opportunity cost for this is horribad. On the plus side, anyone that seriously attempts this is gonna gain tons of experience. GL
I'd advise quitting any game that looks like you'll lose slowly. At a certain point you may want to quit any game that seems like it'll go over 40 minutes-- even if you think you can win eventually.
On August 02 2010 05:33 nujgnoy wrote: This isn't playing games to live off of those 2000 dollars. It's doing your hobby that you would do anyway. But with an opportunity to make some money out of it.
Not if you do the math. Approaching this challenge casually will lead to failure, guaranteed. Fayth's put a time limit on this thing. Imo, you won't be able to do it (let alone be first to do it) unless you're approaching SC2 like someone that's gonna turn it into a career.
Would not one be better of justaquitting like 50-75% of games, so you lose points, then you should be able to faceroll the competition pretty easily every game and not have anyone go above 10~15 minutes, and get lots of early wins even without cheesing. Do you have to send reps of all of your losses too? And if you do then i assume that you are not allowed to leave a game that is not somewhat lost(atleast not like 75% of games.) Though i have not seen any rules regarding this so hm.
On August 02 2010 09:17 Tadzio wrote: If you win every game you play, play for 12 hours a day and average 15 minutes per game, you'll accomplish this achievement in just under 63 days. A person with a grinding personality, a lot of free time, and 50% win ratio should be capable of it inside of 4 months... so check back here sometime in November, or maybe sometime mid-October if Nony/Qxc/WhiteRa decide to go for it. At $0.66 per win the opportunity cost for this is horribad. On the plus side, anyone that seriously attempts this is gonna gain tons of experience. GL
I'd advise quitting any game that looks like you'll lose slowly. At a certain point you may want to quit any game that seems like it'll go over 40 minutes-- even if you think you can win eventually.
On August 02 2010 05:33 nujgnoy wrote: This isn't playing games to live off of those 2000 dollars. It's doing your hobby that you would do anyway. But with an opportunity to make some money out of it.
Not if you do the math. Approaching this challenge casually will lead to failure, guaranteed. Fayth's put a time limit on this thing. Imo, you won't be able to do it (let alone be first to do it) unless you're approaching SC2 like someone that's gonna turn it into a career.
Would not one be better of justaquitting like 50-75% of games, so you lose points, then you should be able to faceroll the competition pretty easily every game and not have anyone go above 10~15 minutes, and get lots of early wins even without cheesing. Do you have to send reps of all of your losses too? And if you do then i assume that you are not allowed to leave a game that is not somewhat lost(atleast not like 75% of games.) Though i have not seen any rules regarding this so hm.
I can understand someone leaving a game cuz he feels it's going to drag on like 20 more minutes... I just don't want like 50 games in a row going 7 pool or something like that, or insta leaving games to move down, you search for a game and you play it no matter who it is against
That's 30 games per day for me assuming i keep my 3:2 win / lose ratio... Kinda a lot. >_< Not as much as my 50 games per day when i was playing iccup but for 178 days straight ? huk.
On August 02 2010 09:17 Tadzio wrote: If you win every game you play, play for 12 hours a day and average 15 minutes per game, you'll accomplish this achievement in just under 63 days. A person with a grinding personality, a lot of free time, and 50% win ratio should be capable of it inside of 4 months... so check back here sometime in November, or maybe sometime mid-October if Nony/Qxc/WhiteRa decide to go for it. At $0.66 per win the opportunity cost for this is horribad. On the plus side, anyone that seriously attempts this is gonna gain tons of experience. GL
I'd advise quitting any game that looks like you'll lose slowly. At a certain point you may want to quit any game that seems like it'll go over 40 minutes-- even if you think you can win eventually.
On August 02 2010 05:33 nujgnoy wrote: This isn't playing games to live off of those 2000 dollars. It's doing your hobby that you would do anyway. But with an opportunity to make some money out of it.
Not if you do the math. Approaching this challenge casually will lead to failure, guaranteed. Fayth's put a time limit on this thing. Imo, you won't be able to do it (let alone be first to do it) unless you're approaching SC2 like someone that's gonna turn it into a career.
Would not one be better of justaquitting like 50-75% of games, so you lose points, then you should be able to faceroll the competition pretty easily every game and not have anyone go above 10~15 minutes, and get lots of early wins even without cheesing. Do you have to send reps of all of your losses too? And if you do then i assume that you are not allowed to leave a game that is not somewhat lost(atleast not like 75% of games.) Though i have not seen any rules regarding this so hm.
I can understand someone leaving a game cuz he feels it's going to drag on like 20 more minutes... I just don't want like 50 games in a row going 7 pool or something like that, or insta leaving games to move down, you search for a game and you play it no matter who it is against
Adding on conditions as time goes by is detrimental to this challenge. Basically people will work to achieve a goal the easiest way possible, It's just how we humans function. I think you needed to be clear about all these conditions when you made your first post, at the moment it feels like the rules of the game is constantly changing. This is just from an outsider perspective, I don't plan to participate.
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Ok well basically you were pretty fast on adding those rules to your first post, I am just bored at the moment so writing helps to pass the time... Like right now I'm passing time while typing. Anyway good luck to any and all contestants.
Maybe i miscalculated..but to get this within 6 months you'll have to play 10 hours a day each day, finish games within 18 minutes and win 2 out of 3 games.
On August 02 2010 22:14 doodle wrote: Maybe i miscalculated..but to get this within 6 months you'll have to play 10 hours a day each day, finish games within 18 minutes and win 2 out of 3 games.
Quite a challenge if you ask me
You only need to win 3000 games so you can actually finish it by winning 2 out of 4 games.
wow, providing a replaypack must be such a huge pain in the ass. that's just silly, sorry. those 3000 games will probably be something like 700mb-1gb of replays (with each file beeing 100-400kb), if I was to take on the challenge, I could never ever upload those replays with my internet connection even if I wanted to (low upload/download ration on my internet, only 30kb/s upload or so), plus you'd need to go through the whole process of setting up some weird windows script to save your replays (Since it doesn't autosave anymore).
honestly if you want to create a competition around this, then don't restrict how people can win the games, other than the obvious like cheating etc. if you don' let people cheese most of their games then you automatically disqualify a large percentage of protoss lollll.
On July 29 2010 12:03 Fayth wrote: what, you wouldn't do it for 20 000$? 4000 games in 6 months for 20 000$, that's like a full time job, people get paid less than that to work at mcdonald, you're playing SC2 here
Just for clarification, in the opening post, Fayth said it was 2000$, but here it's 20 000$?! What's going on? 20 000$ for six months is amazing but 2000$ is not so much...
Also, explain why cheesing is not allowed. Let's look at how it works. Cheesing makes it likely that your games are quick, but opens your game up to a lot of risks. If you get scouted early, it's an easy loss. If you don't, it might be a win. It's a risk that some people may be willing to take. Also, there are quite a few many games where even after a cheese, the game is drawn even and played standard from then on. Cheesing is in no way going to make the competition easier, just less "macro skill" based and more luck and micro-based.
Hypothetically, let's say you start winning over 2:1 in like Silver, Gold, or even Platinum league. Eventually if you really are winning so quickly, you'll end up in Diamond, where people will know how to deal with cheese properly and if they don't, they'll soon learn how to. A greater number of cheesing players will actually push SC2 skill ceilings higher. People will have more well-rounded game senses and skillsets.
I think we should count cheeses. A win is a win, it's when your wits outmatched your opponents. If they scouted and reacted wrong, you were the better player. If you've put hours of practice into perfecting a build that counters their build, you were the better player.
Furthermore, let's talk about the issue of things that are outside of our control like B.net disconnects or even if a player had to leave a game because of their RL circumstances at the time. Could your win count even if the other player's computer shorted out and crashed in the first 3 minutes? How can there be a rule against cheesing before there's a rule against these circumstances? Let's revise the boundaries of this competition and set some properly defined rules.
Personally, I'd prefer it if anything goes as long as you get the achievements. Let's say only 2-3 people ended up following through to the end without giving up. Player 1 finishes in the first 5 months, but is outright DISQUALIFIED 'cause he cheesed so many times and had only a few dozen macro games. Player 2 who made sure to put in a few macro games to stay in the competition, who may or may not have worked as hard as Player 1, will get the prize? These kinds of judgments will be subjective after all. "He cheesed too much and didn't play enough standard games" is unfair. We need clearer rulings. As long as cheating didn't occur, the first person to get that achievement should be rewarded regardless of method as a WORLD FIRST.
I just mean there are more pressing issues. We're only required to submit the win replays, right? What if someone left within 5 min everytime that they weren't gonna have a quick win? Let's say a cheese gets scouted and they d/c right away. Isn't that a lot worse than cheesing in the first place? Or how about people that d/c within 1sec of the game starting a few times so they can stay in bronze/silver leagues and have an easier time cheesing people for wins? What goes and what doesn't? Cheesing shouldn't disqualify when so many other things are open for people to do.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
A good player can easily do this in 4-5 months playing random. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do such a feat. Good luck to anyone who participates. Right now I think David Kim is in the lead.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
A good player can easily do this in 4-5 months playing random.
No player can easily do this, since match maker will out you around 50%, lets say 60% for a good player. Minnium you need 3000 wins, thats 5000 games. Say an average of just 10 minutes a game (thats really fast). 50,000 minutes, 833 hours or ~35 days. 6 months times 30 days = 180 days 35/180 = .1944, 19.44% so 1/5 of your time you have to be playing 1v1 starcraft ladder games doesnt sound to easy to me. That is with 10 minute games, so it is likely closer to 1/4 of your time. If anyone pulls this off, mad props to them
Everyone, you should realize that being better at the game won't get you those wins faster. You will eventually hit around 50% win ratio thanks to AMM. If you want to earn those wins fast without cheesing or cheating, you really should let go of games when you are significantly behind. If you win a game with all odds against you then it most likely will take forever and even increase your MMR. Which leads to facing better opponents, which will eventually net you more losses anyways.
Just play games, and concede once you fall behind significantly. Trying too hard will not help you at all. Unless Fayth edits the OP so that you have to play every single game to the very end :p
On August 05 2010 02:06 spinesheath wrote: Everyone, you should realize that being better at the game won't get you those wins faster. You will eventually hit around 50% win ratio thanks to AMM. If you want to earn those wins fast without cheesing or cheating, you really should let go of games when you are significantly behind. If you win a game with all odds against you then it most likely will take forever and even increase your MMR. Which leads to facing better opponents, which will eventually net you more losses anyways.
Just play games, and concede once you fall behind significantly. Trying too hard will not help you at all. Unless Fayth edits the OP so that you have to play every single game to the very end :p
Concede once you fall behind significantly is right... but what's to stop people from disconnecting and losing a handful of games within a few seconds just to get their MMR lower? I mean, the opposing player isn't gonna be upset 'cause they just got a free win and the cheaters now get to play weaker players.
Edit: P.S. has anyone confirmed how much money Fayth is paying out? 2000$ or 20 000$? Fayth did say this:
On July 29 2010 12:03 Fayth wrote: what, you wouldn't do it for 20 000$? 4000 games in 6 months for 20 000$, that's like a full time job, people get paid less than that to work at mcdonald, you're playing SC2 here
2nd Edit: Sorry, I missed the context of Fayth's post... 2000$ it is LOL XD
On August 05 2010 02:06 spinesheath wrote: Everyone, you should realize that being better at the game won't get you those wins faster. You will eventually hit around 50% win ratio thanks to AMM. If you want to earn those wins fast without cheesing or cheating, you really should let go of games when you are significantly behind. If you win a game with all odds against you then it most likely will take forever and even increase your MMR. Which leads to facing better opponents, which will eventually net you more losses anyways.
Just play games, and concede once you fall behind significantly. Trying too hard will not help you at all. Unless Fayth edits the OP so that you have to play every single game to the very end :p
Concede once you fall behind significantly is right... but what's to stop people from disconnecting and losing a handful of games within a few seconds just to get their MMR lower? I mean, the opposing player isn't gonna be upset 'cause they just got a free win and the cheaters now get to play weaker players.
Well I guess Fayth definitely should ask for ALL replays, including losses. That way he can check a few of the shorter losses and verify that those were legit games. It should be able to verify the total game count, and (at least by then) there probably are some good replay analyzing tools to further help check those games.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
A good player can easily do this in 4-5 months playing random.
No player can easily do this, since match maker will out you around 50%, lets say 60% for a good player. Minnium you need 3000 wins, thats 5000 games. Say an average of just 10 minutes a game (thats really fast). 50,000 minutes, 833 hours or ~35 days. 6 months times 30 days = 180 days 35/180 = .1944, 19.44% so 1/5 of your time you have to be playing 1v1 starcraft ladder games doesnt sound to easy to me. That is with 10 minute games, so it is likely closer to 1/4 of your time. If anyone pulls this off, mad props to them
That is why I said mentioned 'time.' I think you would pleasantly surprised with how many gamers play this game 4-8 hours a day. There are a lot of guys who can mass game with no problem at all given a certain time frame. There are many examples out there including TSL, ICCUP, etc. So no it isn't far fetched at all. You would just have to skip most tournaments and use all your free-time playing ladder.
fayth, can you make another rules regarding the replays? some of my early wins has been deleted automatically . can we just prove to you by showing or match history that our most recent 10-20 wins has no cheese or smthing?
On August 05 2010 03:02 NB wrote: fayth, can you make another rules regarding the replays? some of my early wins has been deleted automatically . can we just prove to you by showing or match history that our most recent 10-20 wins has no cheese or smthing?
I don't think that is a legitimate way of proving how you played. You could just play legit for those last 20 games and not do so for the other thousand before.
Always wondered about the 'rules' for this give away. What's the difference between 'always' cheesing and cheesing 999 times and playing legit once? Who even decides what 'cheese' means? I mean it's Fayth cash so if Fayth wants to be ambiguous about the rules I guess that's Fayth's prerogative but I'd hate to have ground out a minimum of 3000 wins only be the disqualified because I 'cheesed' an arbitrary number of times especially without even knowing what the arbitrary number is before hand or what is and is not considered cheese in context.
On August 05 2010 03:02 NB wrote: fayth, can you make another rules regarding the replays? some of my early wins has been deleted automatically . can we just prove to you by showing or match history that our most recent 10-20 wins has no cheese or smthing?
I don't think that is a legitimate way of proving how you played. You could just play legit for those last 20 games and not do so for the other thousand before.
This obviously, but assuming you are actually going for it RobPG then i assume you are not even 20% there, so i doubt it will be a huge problem if you talk to fayth and show up with say 2500 replays instead of 3k
I don't know why he would do this, but I'm pretty sure its legit cuz Jinro said so. I'm not going to bother competing because school is coming up and I can't play all day. I know there is some people with 500 wins already, but that's only with one race. So it may be in about 1 year.
On August 15 2010 02:44 hadoken5 wrote: I don't know why he would do this, but I'm pretty sure its legit cuz Jinro said so. I'm not going to bother competing because school is coming up and I can't play all day. I know there is some people with 500 wins already, but that's only with one race. So it may be in about 1 year.
A good player can easily do this in 4-5 months playing random. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do such a feat. Good luck to anyone who participates. Right now I think David Kim is in the lead.
Ironically enough if David Kim (Dayvie) gets the icon first, I don't think that legally he would be able to accept the reward since he works for Blizzard?
I know there is something somewhere about conflicts of interest and why we don't see him in tournaments.
I don't have the time to go through the 19 pages to find out if someone has calculated this. So I'm going to do the math.
If you have a 100% win rate you have to play about 4000 games. You are not allowed to cheese so every game will take about 20-30 game minutes, some games will take longer so the average is 30-40 in game minutes. Every in game minute is about 43 real life seconds.
So 35*60=2100 35*17=595 2100-595=1505/60=25,08
So every game is about 25 real life minutes 4000*25=100.000 minutes if you win every game.
100.000/60=1666,67 hours 1666,67/24=69,44 days 69,44/30=2,3 months
If you start now you will be finishing in the last days of october.
But say you are not the perfect Starcraft 2 gamer just an average Joe like me. You will have about 50% win rate. Then the time is about 200.000 minutes.
200.000/60=3333,33 hours 3333,33/24=138,89 days 138,89/30=4,6 months
if you start now you will finish in the begging of January.
A win as random counts also as a win towards the race you were. So if you play exclusively random, you can cut that time by up to 3000 games. (It will probably be a little more than 1000 games since you are unlikely to get exactly 1000/1000/1000).
Sentient either you need to check your logic or your post is just a little miss worded you only need to win exactly 3000 games. Winning as random counts towards the race you won as. Once you have 1000wins as random you can focus on each race if you wish. Once you have 1000 with wins with a single race you should stop randoming as wins with that race will not count for the achievement. The account closest to it atm that I can find is: http://rts-sanctuary.com/index.php?portal=SC2&act=sc2Statistics&cmd=02&id=346887
Looks like he has mainly cheesed or done something crazy
On August 15 2010 10:33 Rake wrote: Sentient either you need to check your logic or your post is just a little miss worded you only need to win exactly 3000 games. Winning as random counts towards the race you won as. Once you have 1000wins as random you can focus on each race if you wish. Once you have 1000 with wins with a single race you should stop randoming as wins with that race will not count for the achievement. The account closest to it atm that I can find is: http://rts-sanctuary.com/index.php?portal=SC2&act=sc2Statistics&cmd=02&id=346887
Looks like he has mainly cheesed or done something crazy
Looks like his loseing games to stay in bronze and then cheeses.
On August 15 2010 10:07 sykur wrote: I don't have the time to go through the 19 pages to find out if someone has calculated this. So I'm going to do the math.
If you have a 100% win rate you have to play about 4000 games. You are not allowed to cheese so every game will take about 20-30 game minutes, some games will take longer so the average is 30-40 in game minutes. Every in game minute is about 43 real life seconds.
So 35*60=2100 35*17=595 2100-595=1505/60=25,08
So every game is about 25 real life minutes 4000*25=100.000 minutes if you win every game.
100.000/60=1666,67 hours 1666,67/24=69,44 days 69,44/30=2,3 months
If you start now you will be finishing in the last days of october.
But say you are not the perfect Starcraft 2 gamer just an average Joe like me. You will have about 50% win rate. Then the time is about 200.000 minutes.
200.000/60=3333,33 hours 3333,33/24=138,89 days 138,89/30=4,6 months
if you start now you will finish in the begging of January.
Good Luck
correct me if i'm wrong.
you are wrong on the 20 to 30 minutes average game time is much closer to 15 minutes even if you dont cheese because other people cheese a lot
On August 15 2010 10:07 sykur wrote: I don't have the time to go through the 19 pages to find out if someone has calculated this. So I'm going to do the math.
If you have a 100% win rate you have to play about 4000 games. You are not allowed to cheese so every game will take about 20-30 game minutes, some games will take longer so the average is 30-40 in game minutes. Every in game minute is about 43 real life seconds.
So 35*60=2100 35*17=595 2100-595=1505/60=25,08
So every game is about 25 real life minutes 4000*25=100.000 minutes if you win every game.
100.000/60=1666,67 hours 1666,67/24=69,44 days 69,44/30=2,3 months
If you start now you will be finishing in the last days of october.
But say you are not the perfect Starcraft 2 gamer just an average Joe like me. You will have about 50% win rate. Then the time is about 200.000 minutes.
200.000/60=3333,33 hours 3333,33/24=138,89 days 138,89/30=4,6 months
if you start now you will finish in the begging of January.
Good Luck
correct me if i'm wrong.
you are wrong on the 20 to 30 minutes average game time is much closer to 15 minutes even if you dont cheese because other people cheese a lot
Oh yea, didn't account for other people cheesing. But sometimes you also encounter a 1 hour game. I would say it was 20 not 15. Well it's late don't have the will power to recalculate this.
Fayth is mean ... He's making it impossible because cheesing isn't allowed. It's about an achievement and you can't use a style of play? I mean come on, I know it's his event and all, but all he wants is some popularity and isn't expecting anyone to achieve this so he could just say fifty thousand if you get it...
And for all the people calculating, better start playingnow... 5 thousand games (60% winrate) is impossible even for a pro gamer as they analyze their games. I don't like these competitions -.-.
Well gl to people trying to get this anyways... (Rather play to enjoy)
WHy do people keep saying you're not allowed to chhese, you can cheese as long as cheese isnt all you do. The point is if you 6 pool every game then you can leave very quickly when you know it's not working so then this challenge isn't much of a challenge. Yes cheese every now and then but don't be like mondragon in the TSL qualifiers who did overpool 12 speedling runby something like 80% of his games.
$2000 sounds like a lot..but just look at the time commitment
Say its a total of 3000 games that you do (1000 as random, then round out with the other 3 races). With a 100% win rate and averaging only 10 minutes per game thats 30000 minutes or 500 hours. $2000 is only $4/ hr. That is at the absolute best case. It would probably be more like 4500 games at something like 18 minutes (averaging short 10 min games and long 25-30 min games). That's around $1.50 / hr ($2000/(81000/60)).
So if you are doing this for the money you could use your time and just get a job and make much more money. Now of course its much more fun to play SC2 and win money but per hour its really nothing compared to a real job.
On August 15 2010 13:12 Lunares wrote: $2000 sounds like a lot..but just look at the time commitment
Say its a total of 3000 games that you do (1000 as random, then round out with the other 3 races). With a 100% win rate and averaging only 10 minutes per game thats 30000 minutes or 500 hours. $2000 is only $4/ hr. That is at the absolute best case. It would probably be more like 4500 games at something like 18 minutes (averaging short 10 min games and long 25-30 min games). That's around $1.50 / hr ($2000/(81000/60)).
So if you are doing this for the money you could use your time and just get a job and make much more money. Now of course its much more fun to play SC2 and win money but per hour its really nothing compared to a real job.
several people mentionned that and I went through this already, if you'd rather work, by all mean, go work. I'm offering a challenge, not a job.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
On August 15 2010 14:25 tube wrote: cant people just share their accounts with their friends so they always are playing
i already have a few friends who do this
All replays will be checked for hotkeys, showing any similarities between games, if play styles don't match this challenge reward may be void. Play at your own risk, orginizer has right to refuse awarding the prize due to suspecious activity.
What the hell. How is that even possible, also howd you find him
That's probably the fastest way to do it, losing games takes no time at all (just leave right away so you can stay in bronze), and with cheese you can win against bronze people 99% of the time.
What the hell. How is that even possible, also howd you find him
That's probably the fastest way to do it, losing games takes no time at all (just leave right away so you can stay in bronze), and with cheese you can win against bronze people 99% of the time.
rules are no cheese and no abusing the ladder by getting placed in bronze.
What the hell. How is that even possible, also howd you find him
That's probably the fastest way to do it, losing games takes no time at all (just leave right away so you can stay in bronze), and with cheese you can win against bronze people 99% of the time.
rules are no cheese and no abusing the ladder by getting placed in bronze.
Read the OP, not every game can be cheese, aka you can cheese 2999 games and play 1 game with a standard strat
What the hell. How is that even possible, also howd you find him
That's probably the fastest way to do it, losing games takes no time at all (just leave right away so you can stay in bronze), and with cheese you can win against bronze people 99% of the time.
rules are no cheese and no abusing the ladder by getting placed in bronze.
Read?
It just says you aint allowed to cheese EVERY game, and it says nothing about abusing the ladder, the "free win" is about the cheese.....
its really not that big of a deal. he just sends his workers to attack every game and alt-tabs out. he claims its not for this solo zen prize but i really dont understand why anyone would do this otherwise.
Is Fayth really going to review the 6000+ games it will take to get the zen master achievement? What is the defination of not cheesing every game? 75% 50% 25%? At this rate Pennoyer should easily have this done. However he is probably cheesing like 95% of games.
I disagree, it should go for someone who addicted enough to play that much, not for someone who's doing nothing all day but ladder-abuse to get the achievement. I dont think the OP wants to pay the one who finds the best way of dodging real games, but for the one who plays the most actively, and with every race.
On August 16 2010 04:30 Geo.Rion wrote: I disagree, it should go for someone who addicted enough to play that much, not for someone who's doing nothing all day but ladder-abuse to get the achievement. I dont think the OP wants to pay the one who finds the best way of dodging real games, but for the one who plays the most actively, and with every race.
You do know the time limit was added so that wouldnt be possible? None can be so addicted to play 5,000-7,000 normal games in that time limit and enjoy themself.
On August 16 2010 04:30 Geo.Rion wrote: I disagree, it should go for someone who addicted enough to play that much, not for someone who's doing nothing all day but ladder-abuse to get the achievement. I dont think the OP wants to pay the one who finds the best way of dodging real games, but for the one who plays the most actively, and with every race.
You do know the time limit was added so that wouldnt be possible? None can be so addicted to play 5,000-7,000 normal games in that time limit and enjoy themself.
I guess some can. If you play agressive, not cheese every game, but agressive, a match lasts about 10-12 minutes IRL, say you have 10 hours for sc, some ppl have more, let's say that's 40-50 games / day. We al know more can be done easily, we all haerd about ppl lpaying 100 games a single day. So 100 days are enough for about 5k games, if someone is addicted and has a scheduel. I think it's doable, sure as hell i wont try, but there should be more done for 2k dolars then repetative ladder abuse.
Here is my 1000th win as a random in solo. Most of my games were from 2-5 minutes long. Here is how I did it.
1. Bronze league obviously.
2. Avoid Terrans. Just quit when facing them because they lift off in anger after you kill their workers.
3. Once game starts, select all workers. (Build extra guy but not really necessary).
4. Attack move to enemy base.
5. Watch enemy die to your outnumbered workers.
Took a long time even with this method. Was able to alt-tab and browse web or watch TV while I did this most of the time. This final win pretty much sums up over half of my wins.
"Yeah I never heard about a contest. Tbh, it sounds like a hoax and I don't really care to enter anyway. Did this for fun. Ended up not fun at all in the end. Doubt I will go for that stupid Dark Voice thing."
I find it incredible he is winning games attack moving with 7 peons.. like wtf.. Do bronze players seriously not know how to do anything?? Like.. By the time his 7 peons gets to an opponents base, they should have like 9 or 10 scvs.. which id take a guess 10 scvs > 7 scvs.. but apparently not.
I was doing this in Bronze league a couple of hours ago and I SCV rushed Pennoyer.
Of course, I didn't rush with the initial 6. After many losses by using just 6-7 SCVs, I discovered this fail proof method for Bronze league (if they play normal).
If you're against Protoss, build 10 SCVs and save 50-60 minerals, then rush just as the 9th SCV comes out. When you get to his base, set 2 SCVs to auto-repair and win.
If you're against Zerg, just rush starting out. If the Zerg 6 pools, you should get there before the pool reaches 25%. Take care of the drones and you should be able to kill the pool before it finishes.
Attack moving just wasn't winning enough games for me, as I tried it and failed 60% of the time according to my W/L ratio. Some of your workers will attack the hatch/nexus, leaving you with 3-4 workers versus their 7-8.
this pennoyer guy's experience actually sheds some light on the matchmaking and league system. for instance # of games played does not make it harder to move up or down leagues. as he says if he goes on a streak he will get promoted to silver.
sounds fun EDIT: i dont know the races enough to get this in time... maybe someone like TLO who played rand at the beginning of beta (or even now) would be able to
On August 17 2010 07:33 Malgrif wrote: the new rule is pretty dumb. obviously fayth is trying to make it impossible so he doesn't have to pay, while laughing at people for trying anyways.
Agreed. People that offer a prize and then backtrack to make it more difficult in the guise of "fairness" are annoying little bastards.
let me do some math here, i'd say my average game length is 20 minutes and the requirements are 4000 wins, after playing ~500 games I'd hope your win ratio is at least 50%, so let's assume that too. Btw i considered 16 hours the maximum possible time you can sit at a computer all day every day and not experience health problems (other than obesity etc) Here's the different win ratios playing 6 hours daily: 50% 6 hours 8000games: 444days 50% 16 hours daily 8000 games: 166 days
75% 6: 333 days 75% 16: 125 100%: 222 days 100% 16 hours: 83
considering i'd bet the fun level would look like a logarithmic curve and that minimum wage is around 7 dollars/hr (6 hours * 7 dollars/hr => 42 * 83 = 3486$) this doesn't sound reasonable to the contested (if the hardcore 16 a dayer worked for 6 hours a day instead of starcraft, they'd still have time for 10 hours of sc + an extra 1486$, not a bad compromise considering i don't think anybody can play sc from the time they wake up til the time they sleep 83 days in a row and win 100% of matches, which would turn them pro where they'd likely make a whole lot more money)
This IS however good for those contestants who already play 16 hours daily
This is even BAD for those who can average 12 games an hour (cheese). At this rate someone with 50% (high estimation for pure cheese, especially because they'd almost certainly rank into higher leagues) win rate playing 8 hours daily would take 166 days to complete this
Basically i'm trying to say this is an impossible challenge where if it were even possible it gives a lower return on investment than working a 4 hour shift at fast food restaurants. I'd give infinite money to anyone that wouldn't give up
Lol this guy makes up a contest and enforces a "new rule" at the last moment, just when someone is about to win. I don't think this fayth guy knows rules have to be set up before the contest, not the other way around.
The fine print says you can't cheese EVERY game, so just play a few normal games and roll out. I would be pretty annoyed if someone actually did that and got denied the prize.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
NEW RULE: I'm not going to pay anyone anything because it looks like someone might be able to do it with a cheese they invented. Luckily I know for a fact they didn't already save their replays.
Why the heck would you save 3000 replays for this contest? You know how long sending 3000 reps in would be...... Not to mention it would eat up your hardrive a bit.
Uhm, do people seriously believe that people that would consider doing this won't play a shit load of games even without the competition? Stop mentioning jobs in this discussion...
On August 17 2010 07:33 Malgrif wrote: the new rule is pretty dumb. obviously fayth is trying to make it impossible so he doesn't have to pay, while laughing at people for trying anyways.
Agreed. People that offer a prize and then backtrack to make it more difficult in the guise of "fairness" are annoying little bastards.
True....this is why you don't enter random internet contests. There's always someone who gets to the prize much quicker than anticipated and the creator comes through with random bullshit rules that make the contest impossible. Seriously who didn't see this coming?
On August 17 2010 07:33 Malgrif wrote: the new rule is pretty dumb. obviously fayth is trying to make it impossible so he doesn't have to pay, while laughing at people for trying anyways.
Agreed. People that offer a prize and then backtrack to make it more difficult in the guise of "fairness" are annoying little bastards.
True....this is why you don't enter random internet contests. There's always someone who gets to the prize much quicker than anticipated and the creator comes through with random bullshit rules that make the contest impossible. Seriously who didn't see this coming?
yeah man. he totally owes whoever that was free money because he attained the letter of the goal without achieving the intent or spirit of it. Fayth obviously has a fiscal responsibility to this player who browses the internet while he plays starcraft.
i wouldn't do it, but i'd like to see someone else try.
there are many replies from people saying that they wont do it, but i think some lurker is gonna make a first post with the replays to his achievement.
On August 17 2010 07:33 Malgrif wrote: the new rule is pretty dumb. obviously fayth is trying to make it impossible so he doesn't have to pay, while laughing at people for trying anyways.
Agreed. People that offer a prize and then backtrack to make it more difficult in the guise of "fairness" are annoying little bastards.
True....this is why you don't enter random internet contests. There's always someone who gets to the prize much quicker than anticipated and the creator comes through with random bullshit rules that make the contest impossible. Seriously who didn't see this coming?
yeah man. he totally owes whoever that was free money because he attained the letter of the goal without achieving the intent or spirit of it. Fayth obviously has a fiscal responsibility to this player who browses the internet while he plays starcraft.
I could really care less if he pays or not...just think its funny he didn't mention the rules from the start when it was obvious there would be people who would try to cheese every game to win as much as possible.
On August 18 2010 06:50 kalendae wrote: this pennoyer guy's experience actually sheds some light on the matchmaking and league system. for instance # of games played does not make it harder to move up or down leagues. as he says if he goes on a streak he will get promoted to silver.
I like how it stresses the uselessness of win ratios. He has a 48% win ratio by 100% worker rushing.
if i was 17 man i wud so do this lmfao. Cus back then i wud probably do like 40 games a day. lol i once played 250 pvst on longinus in like a week or maybe less. I ended up created a completely new strat, that terran in no way could beat u lol. It involved a shuttle and dragoons, off of the 2x 15 gate goon rush strat. Lol i pissed off so many people cus they cud be any rank and i wud beat them, thank god for rampless maps in pvst.
On August 17 2010 07:33 Malgrif wrote: the new rule is pretty dumb. obviously fayth is trying to make it impossible so he doesn't have to pay, while laughing at people for trying anyways.
Agreed. People that offer a prize and then backtrack to make it more difficult in the guise of "fairness" are annoying little bastards.
True....this is why you don't enter random internet contests. There's always someone who gets to the prize much quicker than anticipated and the creator comes through with random bullshit rules that make the contest impossible. Seriously who didn't see this coming?
yeah man. he totally owes whoever that was free money because he attained the letter of the goal without achieving the intent or spirit of it. Fayth obviously has a fiscal responsibility to this player who browses the internet while he plays starcraft.
I could really care less if he pays or not...just think its funny he didn't mention the rules from the start when it was obvious there would be people who would try to cheese every game to win as much as possible.
i would hope that it would go without saying. hes giving to the community by adding a little prize to the first person to do a daunting task. its not meant to be abused to make a quick buck
On August 18 2010 10:52 Sfydjklm wrote: i think fayth just doesnt want to be responsible for creating hordes of proxy raxing fish.
You can do it without cheezing, just purposely loose like 20 games in a row every once and awhile and get demoted to and beat up on people clearly less skilled then you haha.
On August 18 2010 10:52 Sfydjklm wrote: i think fayth just doesnt want to be responsible for creating hordes of proxy raxing fish.
You can do it without cheezing, just purposely loose like 20 games in a row every once and awhile and get demoted to and beat up on people clearly less skilled then you haha.
i didnt say it was a good rule, i just dont think its a rule made to cockblock people from winning
On August 20 2010 14:26 Natengall wrote: Assuming that Bnet's matchmaking is fair, 3000 wins should be accompanied with 3000 losses. That's 6000 games over the span of six months.
Since I'm currently on break, I've been playing SC2 every waking moment, yet I don't see myself getting this anytime soon.
Yeah but you'd be better off just mass losing to get this achievement. Quit out of 20 games in a row then go win 20 games vs noobs, rinse and repeat. So most of those losses wouldnt be very time consuming. Still 16 full games per day to get the wins is an absurd amount
This kid is going for it. He's gonna have the needed wins in a month rofl.
No he isn't. The guy has said in the Battle.net forums that he didn't even know about Fayth's competition. Chances are he hasn't saved every single replay of those worker rushes. Also because the majority of his games are cheeses Fayth could disqualify him.
lol interesting challenge the rules are too ambiguous though for anyone to actually get the $$. for instance, puosu above inferred that cheesing majority of your games isnt allowed when the OP said nothing like that. of course it's a kinda reasonable assumption, so if someone cheeses 2999/3000 games, even if they didn't violate a single rule in the OP, fayth can just say "nah" (not saying he will, but he could) if you're hosting like this, might wanna stay away from rules that cannot be defined clearly (especially when there's no agreement on what cheese is, anyway)
On August 23 2010 14:07 Mist7 wrote: look again at the OP... he says clearly that cheesing is against the rules
According to the OP, "every" is nice and big in caps making it emphazised that cheesing all 3000 games is not allowed, you are allowed to cheese 2999 games out of the 3000 required.
On August 24 2010 06:16 Jameser wrote: that pennoyer guy is DEFINETLY a world of warcraft player lmao, nobody else could possibly have that kind of resilience to grinding games
Or they are multiple players grinding in shifts - like ChinaFarmers. ^^'
Rules for this are plain stupid, more like non-existent. You can't say "dont do it EVERY time" or "show replaypack". What, pack of 6000 games? If they aren't even automatically saved, you can't expect guy to save his folder 600 times. Oops, two missing, DQ'd!
It should've been from the beginning, but defining strict rules (or disbanding old unclear ones) could still be done. What's definition of "every"? Can he cheese 2999, 2800, 2200 or 500 of his wins? What's cheese? Some say there's no such thing as cheese, suppose they have an edge on the competition
On August 24 2010 14:08 Ouga wrote: Rules for this are plain stupid, more like non-existent. You can't say "dont do it EVERY time" or "show replaypack". What, pack of 6000 games? If they aren't even automatically saved, you can't expect guy to save his folder 600 times. Oops, two missing, DQ'd!
It should've been from the beginning, but defining strict rules (or disbanding old unclear ones) could still be done. What's definition of "every"? Can he cheese 2999, 2800, 2200 or 500 of his wins? What's cheese? Some say there's no such thing as cheese, suppose they have an edge on the competition
I agree :\
The rules aren't clear enough, and saving 6000 replays is almost harder than getting all those wins.
On August 24 2010 14:20 gozima wrote: A measy $2000 for an achievement that will probably take longer than 6 months to get if you grind your ass off?
Moreover, the rules haven't even been clearly defined, so who in their right mind would even attempt to do this?
Whoever you are, I feel sorry for you.
I don't really see why anyone is acting this way. Obviously nobody normal is gonna go "oh my god fayth is paying 2k I should go do this." It's more like someone is going to play this much anyway and is like "hey fayth is gonna pay me 2k if I do something I was gonna do anyway, yay!"
If I were in middle/high school rather than grad school I could definitely do this challenge without it impacting my life any more negatively than video games impacted my life then anyway.
If Fayth somehow worked together with Blizzard and decided to FORCE every Starcraft 2 player in the world to participate in this, then i could probably see why you're crying your eyes out because of the rules and what not. But here's the thing, he's not forcing anyone to do anything, you are free to participate, you are free to not give a shit, but coming in here to complain about something you don't even have to do? I don't complain about Nascar racing sucking ass because all you do is turn left, i simply decide to not participate.
On August 23 2010 14:07 Mist7 wrote: look again at the OP... he says clearly that cheesing is against the rules
According to the OP, "every" is nice and big in caps making it emphazised that cheesing all 3000 games is now allowed, you are allowed to cheese 2999 games out of the 3000 required.
You are, but if you do, he's just going to add more rules.
On August 23 2010 14:07 Mist7 wrote: look again at the OP... he says clearly that cheesing is against the rules
According to the OP, "every" is nice and big in caps making it emphazised that cheesing all 3000 games is now allowed, you are allowed to cheese 2999 games out of the 3000 required.
You are, but if you do, he's just going to add more rules.
Pretty much. Even if you do it legit, he'll just add something like NEW RULE: Your race is not allowed.
if ppl are so skeptical about this then dont do it, he gains nothing from this except seeing someone perform a difficult feat. this is no different from when your buddy says something like 'hey i will give you 20 bucks to eat this super hot chili pepper'
he just seems to see if it's doable by someone, and prolly making the motivation happen as well with this. If someone got the time/motivation to do it, this is a great way to do it, and I dont think he is just doing this to /laugh at someone when they've succed. Even Jinro vouch for him so ^^
On August 24 2010 15:27 Stratos.FEAR wrote: if ppl are so skeptical about this then dont do it, he gains nothing from this except seeing someone perform a difficult feat. this is no different from when your buddy says something like 'hey i will give you 20 bucks to eat this super hot chili pepper'
I am not skeptical of the $2000. I am skeptical of the unclear rules, as no one wants to go through the effort but not get the money in the end.
This is no different from when your buddy says something like "hey i will give you 20 bucks to eat a super hot chili pepper,"and then goes on to say, "no, the one you just ate wasn't hot enough."
I have no doubt in Fayth's commitment, but the rules need to be more clear.
On August 24 2010 15:27 Stratos.FEAR wrote: if ppl are so skeptical about this then dont do it, he gains nothing from this except seeing someone perform a difficult feat. this is no different from when your buddy says something like 'hey i will give you 20 bucks to eat this super hot chili pepper'
I am not skeptical of the $2000. I am skeptical of the unclear rules, as no one wants to go through the effort but not get the money in the end.
This is no different from when your buddy says something like "hey i will give you 20 bucks to eat a super hot chili pepper,"and then goes on to say, "no, the one you just ate wasn't hot enough."
I have no doubt in Fayth's commitment, but the rules need to be more clear.
He'll probably pay up as long as you provide a decent percentage of the replays and don't proxy gate in all of them.
I'm getting slightly annoyed by people who go "ell oh ell, you can get that much more by working at mcdonalds, who's stupid enough to do this..".
There are actually other countries in the world where $2000 is quite a hefty sum of money. Alot of people will not make $2000 on a regular job with the same time spent, not even close.
Besides, the achievement is not AS tough as some people make it out to be. There have been times when i've played 10-12 hours of poker every day for many months, and I do know alot of people in the poker world who does that and alot more even. Grinding this achievement would be a walk in the park in comparison, if i'd need that money (which alot of people do).
I'm not all that skeptical about 2k$ either. I'm not skeptical about integrity, just the rules being unclear. It's more fun to follow the competition if you can call it that, when everyone know what's allowed and what's not. Personally I don't see how anything could lean towards DQ here. There's no way monitoring how many games have ended in 1min and in the end, does it really matter? There probably are few people partially aiming for this, and they use the optimal strategy to end the games in shortest time possible. It's not clear what they can't do, so I feel everything is fine except botting and account sharing.
I feel bad for the person who actually does go for this and completes it, because it's pretty obvious he has no intention of paying the winner whatsoever...
For those not in USA or western Europe this is a shitload of money. People work 40 hours a week for $25 in some countries you know. And if the rules are not clear don't participate. As far as I see it is like this: don't cheat and you will not get cheated.
On July 29 2010 10:50 Fayth wrote: Mod edit Fayth is legit, thread is legit, no need to ask for bans - he can afford this ;p - Jinro
/End mod edit
I'll ship 2000$ to the first player who gets the Solo Zen Master achievement on US or Europe server within 6 months, no koreans allowed obv 1000 terran wins 1000 protoss wins 1000 zerg wins 1000 random wins (it appears the race you get is counted as a win for the race so you're all better off starting with random)
(that's $0.66 per win)
Good luck! =)
Probably going to take a long while so bump this thread/message me when it's done
Edit: added time frame so it would put pressure on those who wanna participate, also account sharing is prohibited obv
So by january 28th at 11:59 EST if nobody has made it, well I keep da monies 8)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Online gaming is treated like a sport in many countries, especially South Korea
A man has died after reportedly playing the online computer game StarCraft II for weeks straight with extremely minimal breaks.
The 22-year-old man collapsed after playing the game Starcraft II at his private apartment located in New York, according to the local authorities.
The man had not slept properly, and had eaten very little during his marathon session, said police.
The man, identified by his gaming handle, Pennoyer, started playing Starcraft II on July 29. He only paused playing to go to the toilet and for short periods of sleep, said the police.
"We presume the cause of death was heart failure stemming from exhaustion," a police official told the Reuters news agency.
He was taken to hospital following his collapse, but died shortly after, according to the police. It is not known whether he suffered from any previous health conditions.
They added that he had recently been fired from his job because he kept missing work to play computer games.
According to his close friends, Pennoyer was desperately addicting to playing 1v1 ladder matches in order to accumulate wins. They added that he was trying to win an online "achievement" called Solo Zen Master, which is awarded only after a player wins four thousand games.
Sources have indicated that a contest on gaming community TeamLiquid.net sparked the deadly addiction. The contest administrator was offering $2000 to the first person to win the Solo Zen Master achievement. Due to this unfortunately tragedy, the contest is now over.
Multi-player gaming is extremely popular thanks to its addiction factor the world's rapidly expanding broadband network. More popular games, such as StarCraft, have created an "e-Sports" following. Professional games are televised and the players are treated, as well as paid, like sports stars.
Online gaming is treated like a sport in many countries, especially South Korea
A man has died after reportedly playing the online computer game StarCraft II for weeks straight with extremely minimal breaks.
The 22-year-old man collapsed after playing the game Starcraft II at his private apartment located in New York, according to the local authorities.
The man had not slept properly, and had eaten very little during his marathon session, said police.
The man, identified by his gaming handle, Pennoyer, started playing Starcraft II on July 29. He only paused playing to go to the toilet and for short periods of sleep, said the police.
"We presume the cause of death was heart failure stemming from exhaustion," a police official told the Reuters news agency.
He was taken to hospital following his collapse, but died shortly after, according to the police. It is not known whether he suffered from any previous health conditions.
They added that he had recently been fired from his job because he kept missing work to play computer games.
According to his close friends, Pennoyer was desperately addicting to playing 1v1 ladder matches in order to accumulate wins. They added that he was trying to win an online "achievement" called Solo Zen Master, which is awarded only after a player wins four thousand games.
Sources have indicated that a contest on gaming community TeamLiquid.net sparked the deadly addiction. The contest administrator was offering $2000 to the first person to win the Solo Zen Master achievement. Due to this unfortunately tragedy, the contest is now over.
Multi-player gaming is extremely popular thanks to its addiction factor the world's rapidly expanding broadband network. More popular games, such as StarCraft, have created an "e-Sports" following. Professional games are televised and the players are treated, as well as paid, like sports stars.
Source for that article? If that's real that's absolutely crazy.
I'm pretty sure pennoyer said he hadn't heard of this contest when he started, and the contest hasn't been canceled so that article could definitely be fake.
The reason I came to this thread was to say that the new rule is completely ridiculous. You can't offer money for something like that then just add a new rule for some arbitrary reason. If he actually died you should donate the prize money to his family for the funeral, he deserves it.
On August 25 2010 23:38 shinigami wrote: Fayth is legit, and is a respected elder here on TL.net.
That being said, I think cheese should be allowed since this will directly encourage anti-cheese builds and help raise the level of play in the end.
yeah...doesn't mean it doesn't absolutely suck for him to change the rules of a competition when someone is 1000 wins into it.
and again, does he really expect someone to save the replays for all 3000 wins? It's ridiculous. He's pretty much just admitted he didn't expect anyone to do it and he doesn't want to pay out.
edit: I mean you have 180 days to do this. You need 3000 wins. That's on average 16.66 wins per day. at 50% (which you almost certainly will be) that's ~35 games/day.
Without cheesing, a very short average game length is 10 mins, probably closer to 15 but let's say 10. Thats pretty much 6 hours a day for 6 months. Nobody is going to make that and he knows it. Even pro's probably don't spend 6 hours a day *laddering*. That 6 hours is game time ignoring search time/watching replays/eating/breaks/customs/everything, not even some korean (again arbitrarily excluded) playing 12 hours a day will make this.
Somebody found a good way of getting wins fast, he realises "shit this guy's going to make it", so he changes the rules to make it even more impossible.
On August 25 2010 23:38 shinigami wrote: Fayth is legit, and is a respected elder here on TL.net.
That being said, I think cheese should be allowed since this will directly encourage anti-cheese builds and help raise the level of play in the end.
yeah...doesn't mean it doesn't absolutely suck for him to change the rules of a competition when someone is 1000 wins into it.
and again, does he really expect someone to save the replays for all 3000 wins? It's ridiculous. He's pretty much just admitted he didn't expect anyone to do it and he doesn't want to pay out.
edit: I mean you have 180 days to do this. You need 3000 wins. That's on average 16.66 wins per day. at 50% (which you almost certainly will be) that's ~35 games/day.
Without cheesing, a very short average game length is 10 mins, probably closer to 15 but let's say 10. Thats pretty much 6 hours a day for 6 months. Nobody is going to make that and he knows it. Even pro's probably don't spend 6 hours a day *laddering*. That 6 hours is game time ignoring search time/watching replays/eating/breaks/customs/everything, not even some korean (again arbitrarily excluded) playing 12 hours a day will make this.
Somebody found a good way of getting wins fast, he realises "shit this guy's going to make it", so he changes the rules to make it even more impossible.
The no cheese and replay pack edit, was done one day after the initial post, I don't think it has anything to do with not wanting to pay out. I am pretty sure that he wants to reward a legit player and not someone that just cheesed in almost all of their games.
Online gaming is treated like a sport in many countries, especially South Korea
A man has died after reportedly playing the online computer game StarCraft II for weeks straight with extremely minimal breaks.
The 22-year-old man collapsed after playing the game Starcraft II at his private apartment located in New York, according to the local authorities.
The man had not slept properly, and had eaten very little during his marathon session, said police.
The man, identified by his gaming handle, Pennoyer, started playing Starcraft II on July 29. He only paused playing to go to the toilet and for short periods of sleep, said the police.
"We presume the cause of death was heart failure stemming from exhaustion," a police official told the Reuters news agency.
He was taken to hospital following his collapse, but died shortly after, according to the police. It is not known whether he suffered from any previous health conditions.
They added that he had recently been fired from his job because he kept missing work to play computer games.
According to his close friends, Pennoyer was desperately addicting to playing 1v1 ladder matches in order to accumulate wins. They added that he was trying to win an online "achievement" called Solo Zen Master, which is awarded only after a player wins four thousand games.
Sources have indicated that a contest on gaming community TeamLiquid.net sparked the deadly addiction. The contest administrator was offering $2000 to the first person to win the Solo Zen Master achievement. Due to this unfortunately tragedy, the contest is now over.
Multi-player gaming is extremely popular thanks to its addiction factor the world's rapidly expanding broadband network. More popular games, such as StarCraft, have created an "e-Sports" following. Professional games are televised and the players are treated, as well as paid, like sports stars.
He could also use SC2Gears and do a multi replay analysis. The build order tab will show how often he does what builds, and the average length of game.
I still can't believe how many people were saying it wasn't legit, Fayth has been around a loooong time. Anyways regardless of that if ANYONE put up a post offering money for game related task. If someone grind the 3000 games and then reports to Fayth its done and he doesn't send the money, what did you lose? Nothing. People have everything to gain and nothing to lose, and if you can mass 3000 games and be the first to do then chances are you didn't have much else important to be doing anyways.
That's insane. You have to win AT LEAST 17 games a day. A win rate of 65% requires 26 games played a day. This is all assuming you play Random for 1000 of the wins too.
On August 26 2010 04:14 KrWx16 wrote: So Pennoyer is using a drop hack or getting free wins
We know what he actually does. He auto surrenders against Terrans, and worker rushes with 7 workers on all 2 player maps. That's why he's at ~2k games won with 0 points in Bronze.
On August 26 2010 04:14 KrWx16 wrote: So Pennoyer is using a drop hack or getting free wins
He uses a strategy that wins quickly. Leaves all vs T games as soon as they start. Worker rushes won't work if he didn't keep leaving games to stay in a very low bracket.
On August 26 2010 04:14 KrWx16 wrote: So Pennoyer is using a drop hack or getting free wins
We know what he actually does. He auto surrenders against Terrans, and worker rushes with 7 workers on all 2 player maps. That's why he's at ~2k games won with 0 points in Bronze.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
So changing the rule when someone is over 1000 wins in is cool i guess. If you didn't want to pay why did you post this in the first place.
On August 26 2010 04:14 KrWx16 wrote: So Pennoyer is using a drop hack or getting free wins
We know what he actually does. He auto surrenders against Terrans, and worker rushes with 7 workers on all 2 player maps. That's why he's at ~2k games won with 0 points in Bronze.
On August 26 2010 04:14 KrWx16 wrote: So Pennoyer is using a drop hack or getting free wins
We know what he actually does. He auto surrenders against Terrans, and worker rushes with 7 workers on all 2 player maps. That's why he's at ~2k games won with 0 points in Bronze.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
So changing the rule when someone is over 1000 wins in is cool i guess. If you didn't want to pay why did you post this in the first place.
I've got to agree it's stupid how gray the rules now are. You have a contest with a declared finish point but completely subjective rules on how you have to get there.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
So changing the rule when someone is over 1000 wins in is cool i guess. If you didn't want to pay why did you post this in the first place.
Yeah. What does not every game mean? Cheesing all but one is a way this could be taken, give actual numbers or you can make it as you got along. Honestly I think everyone here is thinking your bsing more and more...
I thinks mod should close this thread because your actions have showed you are unwilling to pay the sum for the winner. I recommend you apologize, even if this was ment as more of a joke, and leave it at that. No need to lose all your dignity by not stepping out of something you never planned to do.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
So changing the rule when someone is over 1000 wins in is cool i guess. If you didn't want to pay why did you post this in the first place.
Yeah. What does not every game mean? Cheesing all but one is a way this could be taken, give actual numbers or you can make it as you got along. Honestly I think everyone here is thinking your bsing more and more...
I thinks mod should close this thread because your actions have showed you are unwilling to pay the sum for the winner. I recommend you apologize, even if this was ment as more of a joke, and leave it at that. No need to lose all your dignity by not stepping out of something you never planned to do.
Stay manner Fayth
What are you talking about? He dident change any rules after someone got 1000 wins.... the rule was added 30 July (25 days ago) just a few days after game came out.
Its hard to say thought how many games you are not allowed to chese in.
I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
On September 02 2010 13:15 Kurr wrote: I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
On September 02 2010 13:15 Kurr wrote: I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
On September 02 2010 13:15 Kurr wrote: I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
On September 02 2010 13:15 Kurr wrote: I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
On September 02 2010 13:15 Kurr wrote: I know it's been talked about in this thread and he's cheesing but Pennoyer is about 250 wins away from it (and I know he's not doing it for this thread either). At his rate he should have it in around 3 days.
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote: I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
tbh you should extend it another 3 months cause playing standard all the time is a lot of games lol.
not exactly sure what the point of this 'competition' is but if you have an extra $2k lying around, why not donate it to charity? im sure those flood victims in pakistan can use all the help they can get. then again i might be way off base here and you already donate to help those in need. if that is the case, my bad.
If we all donated all our extra money to charities we'd have nothing left. He's just running a friendly contest for a community and game he likes, what's wrong with that?
On September 02 2010 14:03 Telcontar wrote: not exactly sure what the point of this 'competition' is but if you have an extra $2k lying around, why not donate it to charity? im sure those flood victims in pakistan can use all the help they can get. then again i might be way off base here and you already donate to help those in need. if that is the case, my bad.
On September 02 2010 14:03 Telcontar wrote: not exactly sure what the point of this 'competition' is but if you have an extra $2k lying around, why not donate it to charity? im sure those flood victims in pakistan can use all the help they can get. then again i might be way off base here and you already donate to help those in need. if that is the case, my bad.
I do donate
then my apologies for any offense caused.
On September 02 2010 14:08 Ome wrote: If we all donated all our extra money to charities we'd have nothing left. He's just running a friendly contest for a community and game he likes, what's wrong with that?
you seem to be overreacting to what i said. i didn't say we should be giving all of our money to charity but that those who are better off are in a position to make a bigger impact. and of course there is nothing wrong with a friendly contest but im just saying that $2k is a lot of money that could help out elsewhere.
On September 02 2010 14:10 LittleeD wrote: ^Yeah because instead of all buying SC2 we should've donated to charity, help those who are in need, buuhuu. We're all little angles arent we? Jeez
did i say you should prioritise helping the needy over your hobbies and interests? it is human nature to be selfish and yes most of the time i put myself first before anybody else. still, does that mean we should blindly ignore the people we can help? if you think helping the less fortunate somehow makes you 'goody two-shoes', then i suggest you take a good look at yourself.
On September 02 2010 14:03 Telcontar wrote: not exactly sure what the point of this 'competition' is but if you have an extra $2k lying around, why not donate it to charity? im sure those flood victims in pakistan can use all the help they can get. then again i might be way off base here and you already donate to help those in need. if that is the case, my bad.
On September 02 2010 14:08 Ome wrote: If we all donated all our extra money to charities we'd have nothing left. He's just running a friendly contest for a community and game he likes, what's wrong with that?
you seem to be overreacting to what i said. i didn't say we should be giving all of our money to charity but that those who are better off are in a position to make a bigger impact. and of course there is nothing wrong with a friendly contest but im just saying that $2k is a lot of money that could help out elsewhere.
On September 02 2010 14:10 LittleeD wrote: ^Yeah because instead of all buying SC2 we should've donated to charity, help those who are in need, buuhuu. We're all little angles arent we? Jeez
did i say you should prioritise helping the needy over your hobbies and interests? it is human nature to be selfish and yes most of the time i put myself first before anybody else. still, does that mean we should blindly ignore the people we can help? if you think helping the less fortunate somehow makes you 'goody two-shoes', then i suggest you take a good look at yourself.
So all you've said in this thread is that we should donate money and we should also spend it on ourselves. Well thanks for that ingenious revelation, entire planes of moral existence have been opened up to my mind. The whole point of ethics is to find the balance between selfishness and the greater utility, and you have done nothing to help us find this balance.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
Be a man an stand by your word.
Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
He edited that one day after the thread started. I don't see how this is unfair let alone being 'less of a man'.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
Be a man an stand by your word.
Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
Calm down jesus, what i hate about sc2 is all these new forum members
He didn't add a new rule at random the last edit was 5 days after the games was realesed.
edit: I mean you have 180 days to do this. You need 3000 wins. That's on average 16.66 wins per day. at 50% (which you almost certainly will be) that's ~35 games/day.
Without cheesing, a very short average game length is 10 mins, probably closer to 15 but let's say 10. Thats pretty much 6 hours a day for 6 months. Nobody is going to make that and he knows it. Even pro's probably don't spend 6 hours a day *laddering*. That 6 hours is game time ignoring search time/watching replays/eating/breaks/customs/everything, not even some korean (again arbitrarily excluded) playing 12 hours a day will make this.
You do realize all hardcore WoW vanilla raiders used to play for about that much time on average each day, maybe even more. Totally doable imo (i'm not saying that I recommend doing it though ).
On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote: I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
The question is, how will you check? You're not seriously gonna watch 6k reps?
Actually I guess you could ROUGHLY check by replay size, but w/e.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
Be a man an stand by your word.
Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
Calm down jesus, what i hate about sc2 is all these new forum members
He didn't add a new rule at random the last edit was 5 days after the games was realesed.
Really? Tought it was added cause of the new bump. Didnt check the thread past a while doubt anyone would really try it.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Is it really asked too much to read the thread or at least the frigging OP carefully before posting such a lame accusation? The OP was last edited on July 30th, one month ago. In no way is this a cop-out, nor is it shifting the goal-line if it was edited a couple of days after the game was released.
Sure the rule is wishy-washy and can be interpreted differently, but the "spirit of the rule" is chrystal clear to everybody with a brain and so is the fact that this Pennoyer guy does not even remotely qualify for the achievement which is supposed to be merited by this challenge (which is obviously unequal to Blizzard's achievement, which doesn't give a damn on how you win ...)
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
Be a man an stand by your word.
Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
Calm down jesus, what i hate about sc2 is all these new forum members
He didn't add a new rule at random the last edit was 5 days after the games was realesed.
Ok obviously he's not a new member, he has 2000 posts. It's not like I know him/her personally but it's obvious.
Calm down.
Yeah skindzer the rule was edited like a day after, and besides it's Fayth's money lol. He can do want he wants, he doesn't have to give anyone jack.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Let fayth do whatever he wants with his money. If he bought a $60,000 car and drove it once a year none of you would care. He just wants to make a fun sc2 competition with 2k and you guys go nuts.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000.
I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
No, the community decided as a whole to take out cheesers dude. It wasn't even his idea until everyone harassed him about it maybe you should read before you post? That way you don't come off as such a jerk. If you ask me for that kind of money wtf do you expect, of course theres rules and of course stuff will change because guess what? ITS HIS MONEY, what are you doing for the community? Nothing? Then why get on someones case thats actually doing something with his OWN money.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
he added that in way at the very beginning i was here when this thread started and i remember it very clearly. it wasnt something that was just edited in way after the fact.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Let's say you random the right races every single time, and win every single game. You're looking at 66 cents a game played. This isn't including losses. Which will take up roughly let's say 45% of total games played. So that's 4350, now let's say at a stretch each game is 12 minutes long. That's 870 hours of total game play time. That's a steady 36.25 days of straight playing. With a 6 month time constraint.
This isn't including massive variables, such as longer game times, being unable to cheese for more than 50% of your games. Just being unable to win. Mental fatigue. People being unable to use a specific race causing more losses and more time wasted. Not randoming the right race.
6 months is a ridiculous time frame. Which is now 5 months.
This guy is literally the closest person to achieving that goal, however he uses Protoss. He will still have to do 1000 random wins, which almost makes his 1000 Protoss wins a waste of time. Or at least negates them by 66%.
So that technically means this guy is further ahead.
And look at his rankings, he isn't that great. He just has mass games.
Since he's not that great does this mean Fayth will decide to disqualify him too, since he's obviously not learning much after playing 1k games as random, which is the theme of the thread. (This part is a bit of a dick point on my part I can admit that.)
People, check the edit date, compare with the post date. Rule added within two days of posting, something like maximum 200 wins from cheesing in that time frame, which has no effect on the total wins as the rule was formulated.
As mentioned, there are replay analysing software where you can see builds and so on for a large sample size.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
Way to back off. It was OBVIOUS that the only way to do it in the ORIGINAL post was by cheesing and even then it was IDIOTIC. But now comes a guy who finds a way around it and suddenly NEW RULE?
Be a man an stand by your word.
Its double or nothing all over again ahahaha
naw, not really...
I think I added that rule like 1 day after I made the thread, I just figured it was a given players had to play normally and just play a lot of hours to make this
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000.
I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20.
My problem is just "as intended" is subjective. I don't have a problem with it myself, I just foresee a huge issue when one person thinks they won and fayth doesn't agree. That's why I'd like to avoid this situation by having objective rules. Even though fayth is putting up a contest with his own money, I think it should still be fair.
I've won a ton of ZvZ games in under 5 minutes without 6 pooling or 8 pooling and without spine crawlers, I have a build that's a little all-in (but in a way, aren't all the ling/baneling builds all-in in the vaguest sense). I think these all-in builds in ZvZ are just good and that's why people do them, the best reaction is to do a similar all-in build which then makes both builds not 'all-in", but if someone else built drones I guess that would make me "all-in", but I would still win close to 100% of those games. To be fair, I think ZvZ is the only match-up where that style is totally objective.
On September 02 2010 15:20 Krohm wrote: That's just such a cop-out really. A guy is so close to achieving the original stipulations, so you add more so he can't win.
In all reality you got hustled, I'd just take the beat. After all you play poker, shouldn't you be used to things like this?
Hey guys, let's jump to conclusions without reading anything posted after the OP, let alone the same page as this reply!
Seriously, how hard is it to read the replies on the last page before you post.
Hey guy's let not remember the very original OP before it was edited out the ass. Originally it was just a straight 1k win with each race. (Unlocking the dark voice portrait) Then he decided to add OH NO CHEESING ALLOWED LOL, and he also wants a replay pack to prove it.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
Its not really ridiculous to ask someone to legitimately win by playing the game as intended for $2000.
I certainly wouldnt feel that crushing out 3000 games by SCV rushing your ass to victory against bronzefails is worth $2000... maybe $20.
My problem is just "as intended" is subjective. I don't have a problem with it myself, I just foresee a huge issue when one person thinks they won and fayth doesn't agree. That's why I'd like to avoid this situation by having objective rules. Even though fayth is putting up a contest with his own money, I think it should still be fair.
this is true, the problem with a replay pack is you can just have a small pack of every game you won without cheese and claim it to be enough too
as good as the idea is, winning this by doing 99% cheese is probably very possible provided you submit the right replays
although it is a given that after 3000+ legit wins you should easily be a 1v1 mid/high diamond if you were legit...
Just say you need to get the achievement and you cant ever be demoted or you can only be demoted once or something. doesnt sc2ranks keep track of that? So if i was already 2000 wins in, i wouldnt be cheesing ALL the time in case i lost like 5 straight and got demoted
What a scrub contest. It's a ladder contest what do you expect people to do? If aiming to win within 5 minutes is cheating then wouldn't the optimal strategy be to win within 5 mins 1 sec? It's not a tournament, it's a most wins competition but you want people to play it like it's a tournament aka go for highest win% when the goal is most wins. The whole idea is ridiculous, you need to get that whole type of thinking out of your head Fayth. Did it ever occur to you some people may have put some serious effort into this and made sacrifices to try to win the $2,000. Now all of a sudden it's a judged subjective competition when the original competition was a most wins competition.
On September 02 2010 13:45 Fayth wrote: I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
Why won't Pennoyer win the contest? Your OP said, after the edit, "cheesing EVERY game isn't allowed", therefore if he plays one game without cheesing, he wins. So now you move the goalposts again to 50% or less "cheesegames" allowed? What is considered cheese anyways? This contest reminds me of those unwinnable bogus "prove evolution and win X euros" challenges. The motivations are obviously different, but you are using the same scumbag tactics as they are.
The next time you have a contest like this please issue clear rules on when the contest is won. If there is any room for interpretation on whether or not a person has won, it's a shitty contest.
On September 03 2010 06:05 yomi wrote: What a scrub contest. It's a ladder contest what do you expect people to do? If aiming to win within 5 minutes is cheating then wouldn't the optimal strategy be to win within 5 mins 1 sec? It's not a tournament, it's a most wins competition but you want people to play it like it's a tournament aka go for highest win% when the goal is most wins. The whole idea is ridiculous, you need to get that whole type of thinking out of your head Fayth. Did it ever occur to you some people may have put some serious effort into this and made sacrifices to try to win the $2,000. Now all of a sudden it's a judged subjective competition when the original competition was a most wins competition.
It's been like that since the beginning, I'm not forcing anyone to do it
To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
On September 03 2010 06:46 Rybka wrote: To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
Just my 2 cents.
Any reasoning you have is irrelevant. Why X should be counted doesn't matter: Fayth is putting up the money and can put whatever conditions he wants upon winning it.
To be honest, you have to expect that someone will think up a crazy strategy to get to Solo Zen as soon as possible when you think up a contest like this. Pennoyer's tactics might be a bit sneaky, but they sure as hell aren't unexpected.
Rushes and cheese aren't legit? Just ask IdrA how legit they were in the last touney he participated in when he lost money because of a rushy, slightly cheesy but well-executed tactic. I mean, if someone can 7-rax reaper or cannon-rush their way to Solo Zen in 2 months, power to them.
Staying in bronze isn't legit? I'm sorry, but if I'm in a competition to mass wins, I'm not going to be in any sort of rush to hit #1 Diamond anytime soon. He could have stayed in silver and done the same thing. Obvious tactic is obvious, and he never disputed how he was massing these wins. The guy has been very transparent.
I think this is just a way for the op to get attention. Someone's gonna get to 1000 wins, and then he'll be like, oh he cheesed too much or oh people disced against him and stuff like that
On September 03 2010 07:01 Tazza wrote: I think this is just a way for the op to get attention. Someone's gonna get to 1000 wins, and then he'll be like, oh he cheesed too much or oh people disced against him and stuff like that
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there,
also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
Why won't Pennoyer win the contest? Your OP said, after the edit, "cheesing EVERY game isn't allowed", therefore if he plays one game without cheesing, he wins. So now you move the goalposts again to 50% or less "cheesegames" allowed? What is considered cheese anyways? This contest reminds me of those unwinnable bogus "prove evolution and win X euros" challenges. The motivations are obviously different, but you are using the same scumbag tactics as they are.
The next time you have a contest like this please issue clear rules on when the contest is won. If there is any room for interpretation on whether or not a person has won, it's a shitty contest.
Out of curiosity whats the rational for this? I'm mildly curious as to what motivates someone to spend 2k to entice people to play an absurd number of games.
On September 03 2010 07:18 viraltouch wrote: relevance? your thickness of wallet may change over time, but person does not necessarily change. look what you are doing now. its the same thing.
I don't even know what shadiness you're talking about, me and rekrul have made bets playing starcraft and I remember I lost the 2nd time we got in a fight and I paid up, so what exactly is your point?
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave + Show Spoiler +
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
The way you describe it... set some minimum average game length required? (eg: ~10min) You can use sc2gears to analyze the replay pack for average length, and manually check some replays at random, to ensure there's no falsification. Also, if you want the player to have improved, you could use sc2ranks's history to check if their bnet rank has improved with some required factor in the long run. You could specify the requirements quite precisely, if you wanted.
Why is there an end date, by the way? If your true goal is to inspire people to improve with quality play on the ladder, perhaps they should not be rushed? On the other hand, if the period is too short/difficult to cover, people will have not much choice, but to play cheap and dirty.
I didn't think I'd need to clarify that Pennoyer obviously won't win this contest...
Either way if anybody has an idea of what wording to use to describe that you can't cheese every game, let's say like 50%+ ? I dunno.... I mean just don't play ur games thinking "OK I NEED TO WIN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE" I want someone who's gonna play and improve at the same time, I think anybody who manage to win this challenge should be somewhere near the top of the ladder at the end unless he's mentally retarded...
I just don't want this to be a contest that consists of who will execute 7 rax reaper, 7 pool and proxy gate 3000 times in a row, nor do I want it to be 2950 either
just play NORMAL, cheese should be defined as games you AIM to win under 5 minutes and if it fails you insta leave + Show Spoiler +
is it still that hard to understand?
Now I don't want anyone to come and tell me I have no intention of paying up and bla bla bla, there's a reason the mod note is there, also I haven't changed any rule with this post, I just tried to clarify things a little bit
The way you describe it... set some minimum average game length required? (eg: ~10min) You can use sc2gears to analyze the replay pack for average length, and manually check some replays at random, to ensure there's no falsification. Also, if you want the player to have improved, you could use sc2ranks's history to check if their bnet rank has improved with some required factor in the long run. You could specify the requirements quite precisely, if you wanted.
Why is there an end date, by the way? If your true goal is to inspire people to improve with quality play on the ladder, perhaps they should not be rushed?
Well I figured 6 months was enough for someone who plays a lot to get 3000 wins with games of an average normal length
If there was no end date I would feel it isn't so much of a contest anymore, there has to be some sort of difficulty imo
On September 03 2010 07:24 viraltouch wrote: i am a person who doesnt propose a ridiculous bets hoping no one follows through, then change the terms when someone wins the bet. opposite of you.
dude if I didn't plan to pay up I wouldn't have made this contest up to begin with, also I added a rules like what, 2 days after I started this thread?
sigh, you're going to embarass yourself by doubting my integrity, I'm a pretty stand up guy, just drop the subject and ignore this contest if it doesn't please you, a few people are going to compete, and if someone makes it following the rules then he's going to get paid
The replay rules and cheesing should be cleared up. It wouldn't be fair to some one who made a serious effort only to be DQ to some subjective as hell rule. sc2ranks shows people have already made it to 1000 wins.
I am confident the challenge of Fayth is serious and he will pay whoever completes it. however I find this challenge to be a little disrespectful for the challenger. that is about 3000 wins, let's say you are a damn good player it will take you at the very least 4000 games in just 6 months, which is an awful lot. it is dedicating yourself 100% of your freetime to complete the challenge...for 6 months. thats pretty astraining. for this elapsed time you don't play for fun obviously and you are not working which would take a month to get this money.
being obscure is good since terms can be reworded to dq any future contenders. but props to fayth on saying american dollars. I really thought he was gonna say monopoly dollars.
On September 03 2010 07:57 viraltouch wrote: being obscure is good since terms can be reworded to dq any future contenders. but props to fayth on saying american dollars. I really thought he was gonna say monopoly dollars.
Do you realize you're alone in here thinking I'm some sort of scammer or whatever it is that you think of me?
Also if someone has a better idea as to how to make that no cheesing rule very much clearer and not "obscure" feel free to PM me and I'll change the wording
no I don't think you are a scammer at all. I just think you are a joke who doesn't follow through and I feel bad for everyone who are actually trying thats all.
On September 03 2010 08:12 viraltouch wrote: no I don't think you are a scammer at all. I just think you are a joke who doesn't follow through and I feel bad for everyone who are actually trying thats all.
youre annoying.Is it really that hard to understand the spirit of the contest? quit whining
On September 03 2010 08:12 viraltouch wrote: no I don't think you are a scammer at all. I just think you are a joke who doesn't follow through and I feel bad for everyone who are actually trying thats all.
well I think about 100% of the people here (excluding you) would rather bet with me than with you, so we'll pass on that
On September 03 2010 08:24 Kage wrote: What do you get out of this Fayth?
I have nothing to gain if this is what you are referring to, just see it as some kind of donation to the community for a challenge I thought was pretty insane
why would i propose anything like this? I'm not a hoax like you =/ agreed to pass stop calling me out please. I don't want to respond to this thread anymore. edit: syntax
Isn't there a rule here on TL that people need to show respect for the TL staff? Jinro's addition in the first post should be all the validation anyone needs. The discussion here is utterly pointless unless you enjoy silly people acting silly. Still, there's always blizzard official forums for that.
I'll guess that the average length of a game is about 12 minutes so you can fit 5 games in an hour if all goes well, meaning 0.66*5 = $3.30 hourly pay.
Don't fall for it guys! Work at McDonald's instead!
I think Fayth would pay up, it just to me it feels like it's impossible to actually win it, and by that I mean it's impossible due to the feasibility of the stipulations, and time constraints. Along with the amount of money being offered. It's just not worth it, I wouldn't recommend anyone attempt this, unless they wish to rape their social life, and job.
I suppose if you're a complete social reject, who is out of school, and leaches off their parents. Then this would be perfect for you. Just remember not to cheese for more than 50% of your games!
If you dont chese in one game you havent chesed in very game and thereby you are not breaking the rule, I know that he dident mean for it to be that easy, but he made a misstake by not clarifying the rule enough from the start and first did it a few days ago.
There is no point in haveing a time limit in a contest where you compete against others to get their fastest, its not like people will slow down if there wasent a time limit since they are already competing against others to get their first.
Its Fayth who made a misstake from the start and im one of those who think he should pay up, but I also dont think his going to since none will save that many replays. Fayth might have been legit in the past like Jinro said but by not acknowledge the misstake he made and not pay up if someone gets there then I wouldnt call him "legit".
Yes its nice that he "wants" to give 2,000$ in a contest like this, but it could have been done alot better to avoid all this.
On September 03 2010 11:48 TaKemE wrote: If you dont chese in one game you havent chesed in very game and thereby you are not breaking the rule, I know that he dident mean for it to be that easy, but he made a misstake by not clarifying the rule enough from the start and first did it a few days ago.
There is no point in haveing a time limit in a contest where you compete against others to get their fastest, its not like people will slow down if there wasent a time limit since they are already competing against others to get their first.
Its Fayth who made a misstake from the start and im one of those who think he should pay up, but I also dont think his going to since none will save that many replays. Fayth might have been legit in the past like Jinro said but by not acknowledge the misstake he made and not pay up if someone gets there then I wouldnt call him "legit".
Yes its nice that he "wants" to give 2,000$ in a contest like this, but it could have been done alot better to avoid all this.
the rule was there over a month ago, I just clarified it cuz people keep saying it's so subjective, in my head it was pretty clear
lets see to get this achievement ur gonna have to cheese for about 6000 games. Is it worth to waste months of ur life? and ruin the sc2 experience, for 2k donation?
if you check that you'll see players massing tons of wins while staying at bronze as random, pretty obvious to see they're going for this.
however if you look at remind who is #9 you'll see he's much more deserving of it if he ever reaches it.
i don't know. maybe its an ethics thing but getting this while staying at the lower leagues would be easy as pie just time consuming, a real accomplishment would be getting it in a real league.
On September 03 2010 13:33 GreggSauce wrote: SO I was just curious if fayth is going to accept people who aren't cheesing every game but are doing something pretty much worse.
if you check that you'll see players massing tons of wins while staying at bronze as random, pretty obvious to see they're going for this.
however if you look at remind who is #9 you'll see he's much more deserving of it if he ever reaches it.
i don't know. maybe its an ethics thing but getting this while staying at the lower leagues would be easy as pie just time consuming, a real accomplishment would be getting it in a real league.
If you get to one thousand wins legit, I hope to God that you're in Diamond by the time you get there. It's up to Faythe, but I believe Diamond req would be a good idea.
I;m willing to bet those not in Diamond are doing really cheesy fast strats. Like I know that pennoyer guy worker rushes every single game--which wouldn't win according to Fayth anyway.
On September 03 2010 14:40 Cytokinesis wrote: I;m willing to bet those not in Diamond are doing really cheesy fast strats. Like I know that pennoyer guy worker rushes every single game--which wouldn't win according to Fayth anyway.
pennoyer already said he didn't want the money and had never heard of this 'contest' when he started doing worker rushes. he just wants to get the dark voice portrait as quickly as he can.
The problem with this contest is the new rules that were set. Some people claim that the participant is not forced to participate in this contest, so why are people complaining? Probably because it sucks to participate in a contest, and later find out that you arn't eligible to win, and you have wasted a lot of time. Some people claim Fayth just added the new rule a few days after the initial post, so why are people complaining? What if the participant spent a week grinding 12h/day before coming back to the site to check the post, finding out he isn't eligible to win, and has wasted a lot of time. Also, since a new rule was placed on, what is to stop Fayth from introducing another rule later?
Stop hating. It`s a fun challenge, and does not harm you guys in any way. It`s getting kind of late anyway to debate this, since if you havent started hardcore gaming already, the chances of you making it in time is pretty sleek.
On September 03 2010 18:30 Trizz wrote: seems like you have to win 20 games every single day if you're starting now~
20 games a day from now isn't hard >.> I went 11-10 yesterday and only my opponents cheesed me But normally I play about 6 games an hour so I think even without cheesing it should still be possible. We have untill end of January so that's about 6 months and if you look at the top diamond ladder you can see some people with over 400 wins (or 500) and that is just within a month. So I'm pretty sure even without cheesing you can reach the 3000 wins but I'd recommend not doing it for the money but rather for yourself for fun.
1 US RandomPennoyer Bronze WINS:2,879 3,068 48.41% Medic Mu (#27) 2 SEA RandomGrowl Bronze WINS:2,264 1,999 53.11% Taarim Iota (#71) 3 SEA RandomRawr Bronze WINS:1,973 2,398 45.14% Wraith Nu (#66)
lol
Wow. Almost 6000 games for the number one... What do you say fayth? Is this guy close to winning?
1. pennoyer said he isnt doing this for the money and will not accept it. 2. he doesnt qualify under fayth's stipulations.
this is all explained on multiple occasions if you would just read the thread.
It's over 30 pages mate, I rather have a nice person give me the runby when I don't have the time to check myself thanks
Learn to use the "All"-page and CTRL+F (The "All"-page is awesome), to bad it doesn't work past 50 pages but that would probably kill the servers when there is a msl-final with power outages.
1 US RandomPennoyer Bronze WINS:2,879 3,068 48.41% Medic Mu (#27) 2 SEA RandomGrowl Bronze WINS:2,264 1,999 53.11% Taarim Iota (#71) 3 SEA RandomRawr Bronze WINS:1,973 2,398 45.14% Wraith Nu (#66)
lol
Wow. Almost 6000 games for the number one... What do you say fayth? Is this guy close to winning?
1. pennoyer said he isnt doing this for the money and will not accept it. 2. he doesnt qualify under fayth's stipulations.
this is all explained on multiple occasions if you would just read the thread.
It's over 30 pages mate, I rather have a nice person give me the runby when I don't have the time to check myself thanks
Learn to use the "All"-page and CTRL+F (The "All"-page is awesome), to bad it doesn't work past 50 pages but that would probably kill the servers when there is a msl-final with power outages.
I think the money should go to pennoyer since even against your cheesing rules he did win, he was first. It's like blizzard taking away athene's world first. Acknowledge that he did it send him the money and maybe have someone else get another 2000$ for the "Non Cheesing" Solo zen master.
On September 04 2010 10:58 Sworn wrote: I think the money should go to pennoyer since even against your cheesing rules he did win, he was first. It's like blizzard taking away athene's world first. Acknowledge that he did it send him the money and maybe have someone else get another 2000$ for the "Non Cheesing" Solo zen master.
This would only be the case if the rules weren't in place when he got the achievement but added in later. Thus your point doesn't stand.
On September 04 2010 10:58 Sworn wrote: I think the money should go to pennoyer since even against your cheesing rules he did win, he was first. It's like blizzard taking away athene's world first. Acknowledge that he did it send him the money and maybe have someone else get another 2000$ for the "Non Cheesing" Solo zen master.
that doesn't make sense...
you're pretty much saying "who cares if the first person got zen master with map hack, he still was the first person"
On September 04 2010 10:58 Sworn wrote: I think the money should go to pennoyer since even against your cheesing rules he did win, he was first. It's like blizzard taking away athene's world first. Acknowledge that he did it send him the money and maybe have someone else get another 2000$ for the "Non Cheesing" Solo zen master.
that doesn't make sense...
you're pretty much saying "who cares if the first person got zen master with map hack, he still was the first person"
Makes more sense than comparing a legit (though cheesy) strategy to using a hack.
Worker rushers should not get the prize, SC2 is not about worker rushing, and abusing this strategy against bronze players shows just how pathetic the player truly is. In my opinion the player should be diamond. Because lets face it who wouldn't be diamond after 3000+ games? If you are not then it shows that you aren't playing the game properly and thus are undeserving of a prize that commemorates dedicated gamers.
If I'm not mistaken, it's not a coincidence that he has ~6000 games with 3000 wins; unless he was top Diamond, bnet would assign him towards stronger opponents if he would win every game. So... he had to throw away half of the games on purpose, to stay in Bronze and get the fastest wins possible. It's the optimal strategy, because Bnet simply won't let you win, it will keep assigning you stronger opponents, until it starts giving you IdrA and HuK each time. You are better off dropping every second game as soon as it loads, for the optimal achievement speed.
viraltouch needs to go back to the League of Legend forums....
Awesome work Fayth, I think Blizzard has been utterly and totally amazing. They make awesome games with fantastic support and community collaboration, I wish I had a vastly expendable income so I could support them too =P I guess they'll just have to make do with my AU$99 till I win the lotto and can afford my own publicity stunts hehe
haha i think fayth should alteast give him $60 to make up for the game.. he deserves it for sheer determination and the ability not to commit suicide. haha
On September 04 2010 10:58 Sworn wrote: I think the money should go to pennoyer since even against your cheesing rules he did win, he was first. It's like blizzard taking away athene's world first. Acknowledge that he did it send him the money and maybe have someone else get another 2000$ for the "Non Cheesing" Solo zen master.
This.
Being first, even though cheesing is quite the feat. At least 6200 games in 5 weeks, I certainly couldn't that using same strategy.
really? only 637 wins to be on pace? Thats not much at all. If someone started the first week playing just solo, no team/etc it would be very reasonable/possible to attain the goal.
Using about 15 different unit rushes (had 5+ rushing build orders per race, depending on map and matchup) got me promoted into Diamond (and demoted out of Diamond) with that many wins, even though I had no experience playing the original StarCraft melee/ladder (and only played the StarCraft II beta for about a week).
So that probably still counts as cheese, I guess...
On September 09 2010 10:15 Eeeegor wrote: how is a worker rush winning people the game?
because the majority of players in bronze don't take their guys off mining while they are getting attacked (a lot of diamond players in 2s/3s/4s don't even do this, it's pretty pathetic) or they don't know that you can attack move.
On September 09 2010 10:23 Tazza wrote: Dude, CheckPrime already has 800 some wins. You better get your money ready, he could very well break 1k wins by the end of the month
Unless he plays on NA or EU server, Fayth won't pay him. It's one of the rules :\
On September 09 2010 10:23 Tazza wrote: Dude, CheckPrime already has 800 some wins. You better get your money ready, he could very well break 1k wins by the end of the month
Are you sure he will get another 2k wins (assuming he have played random) until the end of the month? 3k wins if his 800 wins aren't on the US or EU server...
Haha. Awesome. I loved how red even failed to click a mineral field in the beginning and it took him a 13 seconds to respond to it :D. Whats really cool too is that he loses 10 probes to 7 although blue doesn't do anything but a-move :D.
I'm pretty sure the fastest/easiest way to accomplish this is to just flunk all your placements, land in bronze, then win, next game insta leave, win a game, insta leave, rinse repeat.
PS- Muta aka FAOD has 2029 games played already and has tassadar icon.
If this is allowed, I willing to give up my rank and shit just to start doing it.
On September 13 2010 03:57 tskarzyn wrote: A bronze player with 6k+ games already achieved solo zen. Not sure what his name was but someone had a link to his profile in their thread.
this is who people are talking about... he worker rushes everygame, and then leaves some.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
judging by this rule isnt pennoyer wasting his time and energy since he practically cheeses and worker rushes almost all of his games? a player like him shouldnt get the prize money like seriously. especially when theres ppl doing it legitly.
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
judging by this rule isnt pennoyer wasting his time and energy since he practically cheeses and worker rushes almost all of his games? a player like him shouldnt get the prize money like seriously. especially when theres ppl doing it legitly.
I'm not entering that stupid contest man. -Pennoyer
On September 09 2010 10:20 Subversion wrote: Omg im so confused, can people please clarify this shit for me.
1. How does Pennoyer have that many wins and no points - custom games? Or does he just quit every 2nd game to keep it at 50/50?
2. How the hell can you win with a worker rush? I just don't understand how this works since your opponent will have more workers than you.
Read the goddamn thread before asking. These question are answered in every other page of this thread. On Topic: People complaining about cheese etc? Well it was an extremely stupid competition to begin with, really what'd you expect?
On September 19 2010 18:13 nytelynx wrote: You know, i can see that fayth will regret this when he's looking through every replay that the people have posted because 3k is alot!
There are tools, like SC2Gears, which can analyse multiple replays at once. He loads all - looks at "game length" and is done.
lol if you look at barbady's history graph on sc2rank, he was plat, then purposely dropped to bronze, then got up to 2300 pts in bronze and was directly promoted from bronze to diamond like today.
I looked at some of his wins, they seem like legit wins and not just cheese. Some cheese, but mostly ~15 minute games it seems. So, I don't think he broke the 'don't cheese every match' rule.
If there was an implied "no sandbagging" rule, though, he super failed that. Almost all his losses are just him quitting in the first second of the match.
well, of course the wins that got him from bronze to diamond are going to be legit wins, but the majority of his grinding was most likely worker rushing in bronze. i doubt fayth would give him the money if he came to collect.
On September 27 2010 05:41 mtvacuum wrote: well, of course the wins that got him from bronze to diamond are going to be legit wins, but the majority of his grinding was most likely worker rushing in bronze. i doubt fayth would give him the money if he came to collect.
Well strictly speaking the op just states that you can't cheese every game. Which he clearly haven't.
As a side note, are there any players that have announced that they are actively trying to win this legitimately?
So, basically i could start workerrushing now ( for i am diamond atm and thus have not cheesed EVERY win?). If you gimme a go for that, ill start today and take a 2 week vacation from work ~~
There's a player called Pennoyer who has it already. I asked him for his character code so that I could give it to you but he didn't respond. However, he's rank 8th in Bronze league with about 3100 wins and 3200 losses.
On September 30 2010 21:00 Protein wrote: There's a player called Pennoyer who has it already. I asked him for his character code so that I could give it to you but he didn't respond. However, he's rank 8th in Bronze league with about 3100 wins and 3200 losses.
Atleast search this thread about him. He's a cheeser and does not qualify for the prize and he already said he wasn't doing it for this bet.
On September 30 2010 21:00 Protein wrote: There's a player called Pennoyer who has it already. I asked him for his character code so that I could give it to you but he didn't respond. However, he's rank 8th in Bronze league with about 3100 wins and 3200 losses.
Holy Check. I might be wrong, but isn't that over 100 games a day since release? Must be a shared account of some sort.
On September 30 2010 21:00 Protein wrote: There's a player called Pennoyer who has it already. I asked him for his character code so that I could give it to you but he didn't respond. However, he's rank 8th in Bronze league with about 3100 wins and 3200 losses.
I believe that he worker rushed every single game, and dropped if it didn't work. I would say that this would de-qualify him for the prize, as even if worker rushing isn't cheesing, it is not really in the spirit of the rules.
On October 20 2010 16:35 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: ItsSoFLUFFY is a member of the UCD CSL team and will be playing against Duke on Saturday, you can see if he cheeses then.
the proof is in his sc2ranks link, high diamond to bottom of the barrel bronze. He bombed his record so he could cheese his way back up getting easy wins, clearly not eligible for the prize according to the rules.
On October 20 2010 16:35 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: ItsSoFLUFFY is a member of the UCD CSL team and will be playing against Duke on Saturday, you can see if he cheeses then.
the proof is in his sc2ranks link, high diamond to bottom of the barrel bronze. He bombed his record so he could cheese his way back up getting easy wins, clearly not eligible for the prize according to the rules.
This is how people die don't do it! But it would be quite the acheivement!
Man dies after 49 hours of computer games SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — A 28-year-old South Korean man died of exhaustion in an Internet cafe after playing computer games non-stop for 49 hours, South Korean police said Wednesday. Lee, a resident in the southern city of Taegu who was identified only by his last name, collapsed Friday after having eaten minimally and not sleeping, refusing to leave his keyboard while he played the battle simulation game Starcraft.
Lee was quickly moved to a hospital but died after a few hours, due to what doctors are presuming was a heart attack, police said.
Lee had been fired from his job last month because he kept missing work to play computer games, police said.
Computer games are enormously popular in South Korea, home to professional gamers who earn big money through sponsorships and television stations devoted to broadcasting matches.
On October 20 2010 16:35 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: ItsSoFLUFFY is a member of the UCD CSL team and will be playing against Duke on Saturday, you can see if he cheeses then.
the proof is in his sc2ranks link, high diamond to bottom of the barrel bronze. He bombed his record so he could cheese his way back up getting easy wins, clearly not eligible for the prize according to the rules.
I doubt he had to resort to cheesing. He just tanked his account into bronze to get easy opponents to beat normally (non-cheese). So he will have had a stretch of easier opponents but this should qualify.
EDIT: btw shouldn't he already have made it, if he started with random. Let's say after 1000 random wins you also get credit for 300 T 300 P and 400 Z wins. Then you complete with a total of 700 T 700 P and 600 Z wins for a total of 3000 wins. But he's over 3.1k and says he still needs 300 more.
On October 20 2010 17:27 wintergt wrote: EDIT: btw shouldn't he already have made it, if he started with random. Let's say after 1000 random wins you also get credit for 300 T 300 P and 400 Z wins. Then you complete with a total of 700 T 700 P and 600 Z wins for a total of 3000 wins. But he's over 3.1k and says he still needs 300 more.
Maybe he mained before starting to do the random games and maybe he mained getting back up to diamond too.
I'd put the limiter that over 50% of your games have to be in diamond if I were to do something like this, anyone can spam games in bronze, just leaving every second one right at the start to keep yourself getting free quick wins
He wants to give it to someone who worked hard for it im sure, not someone who deranks themselves to bronze from diamond to get super easy wins all day and leaves games to do that because its still really lame and i wouldnt give it to someone like that either.
Well, I read his edited post and the rule he mentioned. But still, who would give 2k bucks to someone? unless he is a some sort of philanthropist. I believe he made this thread for his own fun by making non realistic promise.
He wants to give it to someone who worked hard for it im sure, not someone who deranks themselves to bronze from diamond to get super easy wins all day and leaves games to do that because its still really lame and i wouldnt give it to someone like that either.
Well, I read his edited post and the rule he mentioned. But still, who would give 2k bucks to someone? unless he is a some sort of philanthropist. I believe he made this thread for his own fun by making non realistic promise.
do you know who fayth is? Do you see the mod edit? hes legit and if anyone does this in good faith, im sure they will get the money.
On October 22 2010 19:20 Kutar_FOX wrote: Another guy with Solo Zen Master with slightly better win ratio (more wins than losses at least) compared to Pennoyer mentioned a month ago.
With programs like Scgears and other replay parsers, I'm sure he can scan through the thousand replay pack and quickly see if someone's been cheesing or not - it shows the game time for each replay
I dislike this for 2 reasons. "No koreans allowed, obv?" fucking racist much? I play exclusively on the NA ladder and I can't participate because I'm korean. thanks Mr. Crow.
second reason is that you can make much more money if you get a job that pays minimum wage. so whatever. mr. racist f*** can go ahead dish away his 2k.
On December 23 2010 01:02 unbal3 wrote: I dislike this for 2 reasons. "No koreans allowed, obv?" fucking racist much? I play exclusively on the NA ladder and I can't participate because I'm korean. thanks Mr. Crow.
second reason is that you can make much more money if you get a job that pays minimum wage. so whatever. mr. racist f*** can go ahead dish away his 2k.
Its not because of racist reasons, its because koreans have an upper hand, atleast in bw.
On December 23 2010 01:02 unbal3 wrote: I dislike this for 2 reasons. "No koreans allowed, obv?" fucking racist much? I play exclusively on the NA ladder and I can't participate because I'm korean. thanks Mr. Crow.
second reason is that you can make much more money if you get a job that pays minimum wage. so whatever. mr. racist f*** can go ahead dish away his 2k.
It would not be racism, but more or less stereotyping. Big difference that you need to learn.
On December 23 2010 01:02 unbal3 wrote: I dislike this for 2 reasons. "No koreans allowed, obv?" fucking racist much? I play exclusively on the NA ladder and I can't participate because I'm korean. thanks Mr. Crow.
second reason is that you can make much more money if you get a job that pays minimum wage. so whatever. mr. racist f*** can go ahead dish away his 2k.
It would not be racism, but more or less stereotyping. Big difference that you need to learn.
Why is this thread still even being posted in?
why do you ask that question when you're responding to a post that's 3 days old
well that person in NA would have to know about this thread, second he'd have to have saved 4000 replays of his wins and fayth would have to watch it all, then he'd need some proof of ethnicity to prove he isn't korean.
Just donate the money to your team, like you're really gonna watch 4000 replays to see if someone doesn't cheese, which is a part of the game btw.
That's some to list a few, the thing is, it's really impossible to have over a 53% person wim/loss ratio with that many games played, so it will be really hard to determine who cheesed and who didn't. I mean obviously you don't expect them to send you in 3000 replays.
Well also, I mean I'm sure some people cheese sometime too, so some cheese is allowed, but what if they send 100 of the longer replays?
Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
I dunno, I doubt Jinro said that Fayth was legit "for teh lulz". If a man has money, I can see him spending it on anything, including this. If there was no mod edit, I'd probably agree with you though.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
Why do people who have no idea what they're talking about choose to act as though they're some sort of authority on the situation? It's not Fayth's job to randomly give $2,000 to the community or a player. However, if he decides he wants to offer up a difficult challenge and include a rule set, nobody is forcing you to do it and if people don't abide by it, then too bad. It's not like anybody is entitled to the money just because they want it.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
You obviously have no idea who fayth is then to say he won't pay lol.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
I give my money away for this game all the time i've given up so far almost 4k.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
don't assume that because YOU would think/act like that makes me the same way
if 2000$ in 6months is "too good to be true" for you, well I'm truly sorry
either way this has been discussed several times already no need to bring that issue up again
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
from my understanding fayth has been around the community for a longgggg time. His credibility was so high jinro himself mod edited the OP. I think it's perfectly reasonable to 'weasle out' if the person didn't follow the rules by saving replays or respond in thread. Fayth would have 100% paid up if someone met the challenge appropriately.
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
he dt rushes/4gates every game (VS Me anyways), spose its not as bad as a double proxy gate though as its not the quickest wins ^^
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
from my understanding fayth has been around the community for a longgggg time. His credibility was so high jinro himself mod edited the OP. I think it's perfectly reasonable to 'weasle out' if the person didn't follow the rules by saving replays or respond in thread. Fayth would have 100% paid up if someone met the challenge appropriately.
So Fayth is going to watch 4000 'legit non cheese' games to see if people followed the rules?
I am interested to see who the winner is. There are alot of people with solo zen that have simply played in bronze solo. Its going to be a huge chore to watch all these games for fayth. Still, I am interested in seeing who will get it.
On January 29 2011 08:16 Grimjim wrote: Let's be honest: Fayth will just slither out of this in some way: either by saying that none of them qualify for the money because they didn't know about this thread, or claiming none of them have 4000 replays saved.
Honestly, this is one of those "too good to be true" moments. Fayth, you did this to get attention. Don't act like you didn't. No one would ever give away 2,000$ of their own money to a complete stranger for some random ass computer game achievement.
from my understanding fayth has been around the community for a longgggg time. His credibility was so high jinro himself mod edited the OP. I think it's perfectly reasonable to 'weasle out' if the person didn't follow the rules by saving replays or respond in thread. Fayth would have 100% paid up if someone met the challenge appropriately.
So Fayth is going to watch 4000 'legit non cheese' games to see if people followed the rules?
if you read the OP you'd know exactly how this contest works...
well if you do the math today is the last possible day someone has to submit themselves, so unless if he gets someone tell him that he/she has done the achievement and gives him a replay pack he doesnt have to watch anything.
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
MUTE is legit, he often fast expos and has long games
thing is he doesnt have solo zen master nor is he even close..he hasnt even won 10 games with zerg terran or random
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
MUTE is legit, he often fast expos and has long games
thing is he doesnt have solo zen master nor is he even close..he hasnt even won 10 games with zerg terran or random
i am confused how he has so many goddamn 1v1 games with so many long games. like forge fast expos and such
Just to mess around, say an average game for him would be 15 minutes. (Some are longer, some are shorter, fair number?) He has ~6502 games done. If my math is not totally crap, thats nearly 68 days of straight play time.
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
MUTE is legit, he often fast expos and has long games
thing is he doesnt have solo zen master nor is he even close..he hasnt even won 10 games with zerg terran or random
I told mute at the beginning when I saw he was doing a ton of games if he was doing my challenge, and he said no... but if he did he could have won probably
sadly now he played all protoss and nothing else, but he was on pace that's for sure
The ammount of people saying "but you're gonna have to watch SO many replays, no one would do that" is getting annoying. when dealing with that many games you would only have to watch a handful of replays, and if that person HAD cheesed almost all of his games, there's an extremely high chance each of those replays would be of cheese.
You don't even have to watch the replays. Just use Multi-replay analysis in the SC2Gears program and look at the sortable list of most used build orders.
On a side note, these ppl are crazy. I don't even have 250 wins with Terran and barely 253 wins total on the ladder.
On January 29 2011 18:35 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: I think the 'no cheese' rule is silly though, unless he has some good definition of 'cheese' going along?
Like, if I 4gate a lot, is that a cheese? Some would say it is, some would say it isn't.
What if I DT in a desperation move?
Please read the thread\dont be an idiot. There is no "no cheese" rule. The reason he added the last part is because If you wanted to win this challenge the easiest/fastest way to do it is just to 6pool/superallinproxy or whatever EVERY single game, since regardless of win or loss, that will lead to the shortest games. Pretty sure the first guy to get this achievement basically just left half of his games, and did a worker rush the other half, which, at the low bronze levels gave him alot of wins. If you cheese say 10% or 15% or whatever of your games, because you want to mix things up and that is your playstyle then ( I am sure) that this is fine, but if you do it every single game, purely so you can get a fast win or a fast loss, so you can get more wins/games in, to win the challenge faster, then that is a bit less awesome.
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
MUTE is legit, he often fast expos and has long games
thing is he doesnt have solo zen master nor is he even close..he hasnt even won 10 games with zerg terran or random
On January 29 2011 08:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: Fayth didn't say he would watch 4000 games, that's ridiculous. He said he'd just pick a few to see if that person did or didn't just cheese the whole time. I'm pretty sure MUTE is legit. I've seen him play before and he played straight up.
MUTE is legit, he often fast expos and has long games
thing is he doesnt have solo zen master nor is he even close..he hasnt even won 10 games with zerg terran or random
On January 29 2011 18:35 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: I think the 'no cheese' rule is silly though, unless he has some good definition of 'cheese' going along?
Like, if I 4gate a lot, is that a cheese? Some would say it is, some would say it isn't.
What if I DT in a desperation move?
Please read the thread\dont be an idiot. There is no "no cheese" rule. The reason he added the last part is because If you wanted to win this challenge the easiest/fastest way to do it is just to 6pool/superallinproxy or whatever EVERY single game, since regardless of win or loss, that will lead to the shortest games.
That's the 'cheese rule'.
Also, why is that 'reading' the thread what you just said, that's your own extension, the rule said:
NEW RULE: Must provide replay pack, cheesing EVERY game is not allowed, so upon reviewing replays if someone was trying to free win every single game then he's DQ'ed
And this is extremely vague, what is 'every' here? Literally every? If I 6pool each match except the last, do I get my 2 000 USD? (not to mention that he didn't even say the dollar of what country, he might give 2 000 AUD?)
And what is 'cheesing', again?
Pretty sure the first guy to get this achievement basically just left half of his games, and did a worker rush the other half, which, at the low bronze levels gave him alot of wins. If you cheese say 10% or 15% or whatever of your games, because you want to mix things up and that is your playstyle then ( I am sure) that this is fine, but if you do it every single game, purely so you can get a fast win or a fast loss, so you can get more wins/games in, to win the challenge faster, then that is a bit less awesome.
Yeah 'you are sure', that's the point, this is all filling it in for yourself. If I promised 2 000 USD for something, I'd make sure I'd phrase my terms in a more exact way.
That's some to list a few, the thing is, it's really impossible to have over a 53% person wim/loss ratio with that many games played, so it will be really hard to determine who cheesed and who didn't. I mean obviously you don't expect them to send you in 3000 replays.
Well also, I mean I'm sure some people cheese sometime too, so some cheese is allowed, but what if they send 100 of the longer replays?
Fayth bro keep your money don't waste them, many are willing to take your money but they cannot do it as they do not have the will nor the time. And all who reached those 3k till now , believe me, impossible to achieve playing normally. Unless you're a really no lifer, like 16/24 let's say lol
And yes I am MasterSyden, and no don't need to contact me I am not into this
I got my Dark Voice last night, though it was through cheese with about 1200 legit games, rest was just doing mega dumb shit against bronze so I guess I'm DQ'd.
I wonder if BzKEvil intended to complete this challenge or not. And I would've thought that he'd have more achievements than that. He probably just loves 1v1.
I dont think BzKEvil counts. If you actually play the game and win 1000 times with each race and STILL play in bronze league, you are obviously worker rushing each game and hoping opponent cant a-move.
EPT
also, maybe there should be some sort of box infront of the TL front page about the $2000 Fayth Contest and shall remain for a long time so no one would forget.
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