EPTFor more casual gamers, I totally get that they like the "swarm" and think it's the most fun. And to the extent zerg may really be under-powered or lack diversity or whatever, I'm glad there's pressure on Blizzard to look into that. But for real competitive gamers, I'd say there's no glory in being a martyr; if you pick zerg on purpose you don't get to whine that it's under-powered because then you, a competitive gamer, aren't purposefully maximizing your ability to win.
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
For more casual gamers, I totally get that they like the "swarm" and think it's the most fun. And to the extent zerg may really be under-powered or lack diversity or whatever, I'm glad there's pressure on Blizzard to look into that. But for real competitive gamers, I'd say there's no glory in being a martyr; if you pick zerg on purpose you don't get to whine that it's under-powered because then you, a competitive gamer, aren't purposefully maximizing your ability to win. | ||
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Azile
United States339 Posts
For more casual gamers, I totally get that they like the "swarm" and think it's the most fun. Except lings are the only unit that feels even remotely swarmish. They did it well with lings, then the zerg designer went to lunch and let who created marauders handle designing roaches, hydras, and ultras.. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 22 2010 08:53 cucumber wrote: I don't play zerg primarily (or well), but I have to say I just don't really respect it when I read competitive players (who are in the game to win as opposed to more casual, even if really good folks, who are in primarily to have fun) think they are cool because they play zerg and zerg is underpowered. I mean, if you're in it to win as much as you can then pick a race that you think allows that. For instance, when I hear Artosis channeling IdrA talk about how Terran is OP, I just think "stfu and play Terran then. Do you want a medal for putting yourself at a perceived disadvantage or something?" For more casual gamers, I totally get that they like the "swarm" and think it's the most fun. And to the extent zerg may really be under-powered or lack diversity or whatever, I'm glad there's pressure on Blizzard to look into that. But for real competitive gamers, I'd say there's no glory in being a martyr; if you pick zerg on purpose you don't get to whine that it's under-powered because then you, a competitive gamer, aren't purposefully maximizing your ability to win. It'll be patched. You don't switch races everytime a different race becomes OP. You'll be severely limiting yourself. I'm not saying it is, but if Terran is hypothetically OP, it doesn't mean you can just pick up the race and suddenly rape face. You have to learn everything about it, etc. making it very inefficient. You won't be able to take advantage of the OPness until you have relearned everything, quite the big switch. But if it continues and nothing changes, THEN you switch. For example Mech wasn't even viable in the early phases of the beta before Thors could counter mutalisk. Mass Muta wrecked mech because Thors weren't a good counter, you didn't have marines, and turrets were also much weaker. So if all the Terran players switched to Zerg, they'd have to switch back again, etc. Complaining also gets Blizzard to become aware of potential issues. | ||
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shlomo
258 Posts
On July 22 2010 08:53 cucumber wrote: But for real competitive gamers, I'd say there's no glory in being a martyr. I'd say there's no glory in playing flavor-of-the-month either. wink wink TLO | ||
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:35 pieisamazing wrote: I want to play zerg, though. I played all the races in brood war (I wasn't very good) but I found all of them to be fun. I tried the other races after playing zerg and they are more interesting and fun. Zerg, however, is not. This is to say nothing of balance. They just seem so bland in a way that the other two races are not. amen i love the zerg look, i love creep and larvae inject, but i hate all zerg units except the infestor and the queen. all others are just really really boring | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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Angryhorse
Sweden387 Posts
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XBLancer
United States19 Posts
I will however say one thing as a counterpoint about Zergs mobility in that, in my opinion, Protoss and Terran are so easily able to mitigate this strength with relative ease. This is more prevalent with Terran players turtling behind wall-ins and with bunkers and siege tanks. This seems particularly problematic in the early game, and a quick wall-in can often neutralize speedlings/banelings and removing a good chunk of the available option for a Zerg player. Now you could switch tactics and try drops/air harass, but in that case, we're not really saying that this is a strength of the zerg, it's just a tactic that any race can have. All three races can utilize this same tactic (albeit to a lesser degree), so it's not a statement about zerg mobility. It's less of a weakness of zerg than it is a strength of the other races in the way they are designed to easily counter what should be zergs biggest advantage. | ||
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Thenas
Sweden107 Posts
On July 22 2010 07:41 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: @ jhu Warp-in tech is reliant on pylons, if a zerg can hunt down your pylons with overlords placed in effective places then the mobility from warp-ins are severely limited. Colossus have their counters and so do HT, terran bio ball can be easily dealt with by zerg and most zergs would rather see a bio ball over a mech ball because a bio ball is easier to deal with. Bio ball gets chain fungal growthed until medivacs are out of energy and they're all low health and then zerg just streams units in to roll them over. @ Pocketpurple If a protoss is staying on just warpgate tech and not adding in anything else then they will lose so early game warp ins are almost as good as larva inject but not in the lategame where they have to rely on other units like colossus immortals and possibly stargate units as well. The unique part of the zerg mechanics is they stay true through the entire game. Not entirely true that warpin relies on pylons, you got the Protoss transport ship whatever it's called that really massivly boosts P mobility, I haven't seen many use it yet tho. | ||
DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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Siannodel
United States12 Posts
I am Zerg user and i like the feel of the race a lot. I think it can compete with Terran and Protoss in terms of balance and room for creativity for many of the reasons previously stated in this thread. However, for me, there was a part of the race that was a huge disappointment. I think Blizzard could have made the race a lot more appealing by having more interesting casters. Going from the defiler in Starcraft: Broodwar to the infestor in starcraft 2 was a huge letdown for me. The spells are just not that interesting. Infested Terrans and neural parasite don't compare with dark swarm in terms of opportunities for creative play . The third spell is pretty much a watered down plague which is probably fine for balance reasons. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On July 22 2010 09:38 DooMDash wrote: I love Zerg in SC2, far from bland. You guys must not have played SC1 original hah. What? I thought it would be the opposite. People from BW seeing that what made zerg what it was is missing (less swarmy, less mobility unless you're actually good, etc...) | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
PLEASE ADD SCOURGE! | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On July 22 2010 09:42 Bibbit wrote: What? I thought it would be the opposite. People from BW seeing that what made zerg what it was is missing (less swarmy, less mobility unless you're actually good, etc...) I don't know why you think zerg is less swarmy, other than hydras being more powerful then they were in BW. I still think they feel similar to BW's zerg, and they are actually faster (well lings are) when they are on creep. To be honest I think people are just finding different play styles that are less dependent on numbers and speed with the new hydras, you just have to play a certain way to 100% swarm your opponent. | ||
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lu_cid
United States428 Posts
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