Yep, good points emothugn. I agree terran can be tough, but I usually go early air with roaches in the interim (and maybe speedlings,banelings, depending on terrans composition), and Zerg air seem to be great at beating Terran so far, as I'm in the gold league. Perhaps Terrans get better at being "unbeatable" at higher levels, but for now I do just fine. It's early proxying Protoss players I'm having the biggest issues with at the moment. But yeah, Zerg have yet to make me throw the game at the wall and stomp it to pieces.

Terrifyer

United States338 Posts

July 29 2010 21:38 GMT

#582

I just feel that terran mech is too strong, and that making NP last 12 seconds makes it even harder to deal with tanks. I Think they need to switch NP back to unlimited so the thors and tanks wont kill your army off even if you win the scrimmage with only a few units left.

I mean, NP will just become useless in comparison to FG and IT if left at 12 seconds

Melt

Switzerland281 Posts

July 29 2010 21:42 GMT

#583

On July 30 2010 06:38 Terrifyer wrote:
I just feel that terran mech is too strong, and that making NP last 12 seconds makes it even harder to deal with tanks. I Think they need to switch NP back to unlimited so the thors and tanks wont kill your army off even if you win the scrimmage with only a few units left.

I mean, NP will just become useless in comparison to FG and IT if left at 12 seconds

I honestly thought that was a bug. Creep Tumor has been changed back to 15 Seconds and i hoped NP would last forever again too.

I mean, it's really hard to use NP anyway.. but if you manage to get it off, you should be able to keep the Unit... you could still kill the Infestor to get it back.

Pking

Sweden142 Posts

July 29 2010 22:42 GMT

#584

I think you've captured the three main strengths of the Zerg. A lot of it is certainly under-used in the <diamond leagues. Take for instance tech switching. If you are Zerg, e.g. facing Terran, just putting down a spire can be scary for the Terran. The mere threat that you can produce a bunch of mutas at any point means I as a Terran have to build new production facilities, invest in AA, etc and you don't have to get a single mutalisk.

I also see way to many players making the mistake of sticking with the same kinds of units, e.g. only getting a roach warren or a hydralisk den, why would you ever not get both? Its not a huge investment. Also, many are sticking with lower-tier units for way to long, maybe its just tempting to just mass same kinds of units.

jax1492

United States1632 Posts

July 30 2010 01:40 GMT

#585

I read this before the launch and was not sold ... after launch im now a zerg player ... its amazing how good they actually are.

Batch

Sweden692 Posts

July 30 2010 03:08 GMT

#586

On July 30 2010 10:40 jax1492 wrote:
I read this before the launch and was not sold ... after launch im now a zerg player ... its amazing how good they actually are.

Everything is relative.

Don't know if this is some kind of "Idra effect" but has everyone rerolled zerg? Since the launch it feels like I have been playing a whole lot more ZvsZ than during the beta. Maybe it's only because all zerg players are as bad as I and play in the middle segment.

Something else worth mentioning is that I haven't faced any thor+tank combo since the release?

TheAngelofDeath

United States2033 Posts

July 30 2010 03:11 GMT

#587

Playing loads of Zerg lately. I believe it to be the IdrA effect as well. It's insane.

Melt

Switzerland281 Posts

July 30 2010 03:14 GMT

#588

In my first 30 Ladder Games i played only 1 Zerg and he was random...

The IdrA effect is truly insane

Vessel

United States214 Posts

July 30 2010 03:44 GMT

#589

On July 30 2010 12:14 Melt wrote:
In my first 30 Ladder Games i played only 1 Zerg and he was random...

The IdrA effect is truly insane

same story with me. i dont see any zergs. guess i just need to find a zerg practice partner

arnold(soTa)

Sweden352 Posts

July 31 2010 09:09 GMT

#590

ye I duno about that, there are 20 zergs in my diamond div of 100.

my frirends div of about 30 players has one zerg, him :D

I tend to draw mostly T or P opponents lately.. not complaining, I like zv p/t much more than zvz

but it seems queite clear that most players at the top of the ladders are T or P at the moment, hope that changes.

Endymion

United States3701 Posts

July 31 2010 09:10 GMT

#591

Tons of Z at ~500 ELO diamond, all I get is ZvZ =/ seems like a deficit of P to me.

billyX333

United States1360 Posts

July 31 2010 09:19 GMT

#592

On July 31 2010 18:10 Endymion wrote:
Tons of Z at ~500 ELO diamond, all I get is ZvZ =/ seems like a deficit of P to me.

12 zergs in top 50
everybody is hallucinating
close to same # of zergs (if not fewer than) as other races from what I can tell

on topic: I actually think zvp is Z favored
and ZvT is balanced in the far distant positions on LT/metalopolis/blistering sands

I just think zvt is fucking hard as fuck on steppes/kulas/close positions on metalopolis/LT

off topic - I still don't know how raelcun's threads get so much pub
whether hes right or not is beside the point
hes like a couch-based expert, spectating/casting far more games than he plays

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