EPTNow whenever I lose like this in SC2 I get way more frustrated than in BW, now tell me do you think it is more frustrating? and why?
Why Is SC2 more frustrating than BW
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
Now whenever I lose like this in SC2 I get way more frustrated than in BW, now tell me do you think it is more frustrating? and why? | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
people 4 pooled in star leagues aswell be more careful in your placement matches. dont try to do some early mass expansion macro game. focus on the early game more. | ||
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FiRewater
United States56 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Most likely it's tied into your perception of how good you are - you got into diamond and felt good about your SC2 ability. Now you lost, and it annoys you. Perhaps you had either a less serious view of BW or were simply more aware of where you stood. | ||
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
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Puremiss
United States232 Posts
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Sueco
Sweden283 Posts
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Swiftice
United States35 Posts
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
I think it's more frustrating because of excessive cheese and the faster pace. | ||
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uberdeluxe
Canada306 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:12 Swiftice wrote: At least you got placed... when i play a game its glitchd for me so it says "placement matches remaining -3" uhm i have no idea how to fix that..... same thing happened to me! it should go away after you do five, no matter what the broken counter says. | ||
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NET
United States703 Posts
 As for Zerg 6 pooling, its way easier to deal with it in this game versus in Brood War. Loosing to it probably makes you feel worse if thats the case. And the comment about the possibility of playing against a diamond and not knowing it. From my experience most diamond Zergs don't 6 pool, either that or they want to try and zoom through the prelims. Then again I don't think I faced a Zerg in the placements today. They were all Protoss. Hm... | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Also it's pretty childish to say that this frustrates you were the one who screwed up and lost 5/5 matches was you and this thread is unnecessary imo because your post doesn't really discuss anything regarding sc2 compared to bw (If it had been called "Ladder Placement System" or "There should be a way to redo placement matches" it had been cool) to me: this is just you whining. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
But yeah, I was genuinely annoyed when after last patch in phase 1 I went 2:3 in placement and got thrown into Bronze ~_~ I hope after release competition tightens up and leagues sort out themselves somehow, so being placed outside of Diamond wouldn't feel insulting as it is now. | ||
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:14 uberdeluxe wrote: same thing happened to me! it should go away after you do five, no matter what the broken counter says. er, if you see -3 then you've already played 5 games. | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
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fams
Canada731 Posts
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:25 AncienTs wrote: There's also the cartoony element of SC2, everything in BW in a sense, looks "more serious" and perhaps will be taken more seriously :[ I fixed it for ya. | ||
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Ikkath
United Kingdom54 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:26 fams wrote: So..is there even a Diamond ladder now? I lost one game and was put into platinum, but I have a guy in my division who is 10-0 so I mean..why would he not be in Diamond? Why do people still not understand how the ladder works? It depends on who those games were against not on the raw win-loss ratio. | ||
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Tookie22
United States187 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:00 bjornkavist wrote: I did placement matches today since the beta was back up, I had been playing BW mostly so my Sc2 skills were a bit rusty. Last beta phase I was placed in Plat and worked my way to Diamond. This time around I got whooped by some guy in my 1st match then got 6 pooled in the rest no joke. So now I'm placed in Bronze and I got to scrub my way back to Diamond. Now whenever I lose like this in SC2 I get way more frustrated than in BW, now tell me do you think it is more frustrating? and why? exact same thing happened to me formerly platinum now bronze oh well guess ill play random and fool around for the beta  | ||
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Vikkekh
Sweden47 Posts
Given that you play alot of matches each day, enough effort and you can climb a ladder at a time, unless they changed the system.. haven't played since start of last beta phase and i got into copper. within 2-3 days i were in silver almost in gold | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
As for the OP, I'd say SC2 laddering can feel a bit more frustrating because your point standings are more visible, and you can easily lose several ranks from one loss this early in the game - and with only 100 people in your div, dropping 3-4 ranks looks like a big deal. Gameplay-wise, I'd say BW was FAR more frustrating simply due to longer boring early phase staring at workers mining etc. | ||
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Stromming
Sweden64 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:26 fams wrote: So..is there even a Diamond ladder now? I lost one game and was put into platinum, but I have a guy in my division who is 10-0 so I mean..why would he not be in Diamond? The placement system works in mysterious ways. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:30 Ikkath wrote: Why do people still not understand how the ladder works? It depends on who those games were against not on the raw win-loss ratio. supposedly you have to work your way into diamond and you can only get plat max in placement. | ||
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Williowa
129 Posts
I still get annoyed big time when i loose a few in a row, but I just can't see the benefits of being placed higher. I hope something comes along that gives at least some kind of meaning to being placed better, like "hey I qualified to be in the platinum tournament, so now I get a chance to compete for ______ championship and $____. Which was way better than the gold tournaments I've been in. | ||
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uberdeluxe
Canada306 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:35 Stromming wrote: The placement system works in mysterious ways. After some vigorous testing, I solved the riddle! First and foremost, make sure you have a calculator with you, as this gets intense... Ok, first, count your wins and losses, then divide, wins over losses. Easy, right? Now check your blizzard account, and determine the date of birth you registered with. If you were born on january third, 1990, multiply your number by the coefficients of 1, 3, and 1990, and cube your result. Now for this next part to work, you need to make sure you absolutely HAVE eaten at least 78 grams of meat or protein(not both combined, that's a different formula) in the last 488 hours. (otherwise refer to this video tutorial: link ) Now subtract your current number from the extra meat you have eaten (however much you ate - 78) and square the result. This is what the programmers at blizz call your "power level." After each match you do, calculate it, and if it raises by more than 493, (the current number of pokemon in games) you go up a rank! Helpful, no? | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:34 Sethronu wrote: Pretty certain you can't be placed in Diamond and it takes a certain amount of points before you're promoted. Might be wrong, though. As for the OP, I'd say SC2 laddering can feel a bit more frustrating because your point standings are more visible, and you can easily lose several ranks from one loss this early in the game - and with only 100 people in your div, dropping 3-4 ranks looks like a big deal. Gameplay-wise, I'd say BW was FAR more frustrating simply due to longer boring early phase staring at workers mining etc. You're correct. You can't be placed into diamond from placements. People complained that the top league was way too easy (I was one of them). So there is no more 5-0 diamond. On July 09 2010 08:00 bjornkavist wrote: I did placement matches today since the beta was back up, I had been playing BW mostly so my Sc2 skills were a bit rusty. Last beta phase I was placed in Plat and worked my way to Diamond. This time around I got whooped by some guy in my 1st match then got 6 pooled in the rest no joke. So now I'm placed in Bronze and I got to scrub my way back to Diamond. Now whenever I lose like this in SC2 I get way more frustrated than in BW, now tell me do you think it is more frustrating? and why? BjornKavist, here's my take on why you are more frustrated with SC2 than BW. I've got a lot of time on my hands what with the new random drops on SC2 that has recently developed. SC2 is more frustrating because you already know BW. You expect to be good at SC2, innately. Or at the very least, better than most of the players. The smartcasting autosurrounding mechanics of the game, however, neutralize your tricks employed from experience in BW. What was once a game ending multiunit surround is now possible for any random noob to do. You are relying too much on old mechanics, and not enough on actively analyzing your situation. That isn't to say that you don't need solid mechanics to excel. You do. Just that SC2 is far less micro-intensive than BW. You may be good at microing a small group of units, but do you know how to react when a much larger army comes into your base on a drop? You feel that you are ahead in the game because you have killed an army. This may be true, but the time has not come to kill them. Take a minute to think, for example...if I pushed now, by the time I got to his base with this army size, would I have enough to overpower the units (could be siege tanks, could be photon cannons) that he could create in that time? Can I reinforce my units in time from this position to overcome the advantage the opponent has, one of instantly having reinforcements in his base the moment they spawn? If not, take an expansion instead and don't throw away your units. The timings in BW are what you're used to. There are new timings. You're used to relatively stable and what some might call "perfect" balance in BW, at least at the top levels, between all of the races. (KT_Flash isn't a race guyzzzzzz lol). This game isn't even at release yet, though. Bw was and has been stable and unchanging for many years. SC2 hasn't stopped changing since the day you got it. ....did I get it? ^^: | ||
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daysofstatic
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On July 09 2010 08 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 09 2010 08 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:23 InRaged wrote: I don't find this more frustrating than in BW, cause in BW there's no placement matches at all and you always start at the bottom ;P But yeah, I was genuinely annoyed when after last patch in phase 1 I went 2:3 in placement and got thrown into Bronze ~_~ I hope after release competition tightens up and leagues sort out themselves somehow, so being placed outside of Diamond wouldn't feel insulting as it is now. so, what does that show to you? placing means nothing.. i mean..look at it with two sides: even if placement means a little bit.. to be in the highest leaque means nothing compared to the level of playing of "progamers"..i mean.. to be in diamond leaque doesnt mean that you are NEARER to the pros.. did you get what i wanted to say? | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Were you good or bad at SC1? Most likely it's tied into your perception of how good you are - you got into diamond and felt good about your SC2 ability. Now you lost, and it annoys you. Perhaps you had either a less serious view of BW or were simply more aware of where you stood. hmmm good question, I can't say I was good at BW, D+ on a good day but I usually take BW more seriously than SC2. Though since the beta is out my friends care more about SC2 than BW so when I start to underperform in SC2 I guess they can get under my skin at times since we are quite competitive amongst ourselves. | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:47 InfiniteIce wrote: You're correct. You can't be placed into diamond from placements. People complained that the top league was way too easy (I was one of them). So there is no more 5-0 diamond. BjornKavist, here's my take on why you are more frustrated with SC2 than BW. I've got a lot of time on my hands what with the new random drops on SC2 that has recently developed. SC2 is more frustrating because you already know BW. You expect to be good at SC2, innately. Or at the very least, better than most of the players. The smartcasting autosurrounding mechanics of the game, however, neutralize your tricks employed from experience in BW. What was once a game ending multiunit surround is now possible for any random noob to do. You are relying too much on old mechanics, and not enough on actively analyzing your situation. That isn't to say that you don't need solid mechanics to excel. You do. Just that SC2 is far less micro-intensive than BW. You may be good at microing a small group of units, but do you know how to react when a much larger army comes into your base on a drop? You feel that you are ahead in the game because you have killed an army. This may be true, but the time has not come to kill them. Take a minute to think, for example...if I pushed now, by the time I got to his base with this army size, would I have enough to overpower the units (could be siege tanks, could be photon cannons) that he could create in that time? Can I reinforce my units in time from this position to overcome the advantage the opponent has, one of instantly having reinforcements in his base the moment they spawn? If not, take an expansion instead and don't throw away your units. The timings in BW are what you're used to. There are new timings. You're used to relatively stable and what some might call "perfect" balance in BW, at least at the top levels, between all of the races. (KT_Flash isn't a race guyzzzzzz lol). This game isn't even at release yet, though. Bw was and has been stable and unchanging for many years. SC2 hasn't stopped changing since the day you got it. ....did I get it? ^^: Sorry for double post, ermmm you nailed some critical things, yes I do get angry when sc2 noobs beat me without even knowing what BW is. that really gets under my skin XD but I'd say I've got the timings down now, i've got the builds and all taped to the side of my monitor, but yes knowing that the game is not completely balanced yet gives me an excuse to myself when I lose and it does get me angry lol. good point man thanks | ||
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Nybb
Canada13 Posts
It's especially frustrating because of how screwed up the rankings are right after the reset. I've never played any RTS seriously before starting in the beta at around patch 12 or so, but I managed to work my way up from copper to eventually getting to the top of my league in gold. Then today I did my placements and got placed in silver and I've won like 2 out of 7 games since...its like suddenly every person in silver is microing marauders against my zealots perfectly and is insanely good at placing FFs, etc :/ | ||
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OverSight
United States104 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
therefore you did something wrong, you could've won but you didn't. deal with it or get better sc2 isn't refined yet, so in bw there are ways to get around cheese people figure stuff out. the game isn't totally mapped out yet, so you have to expect shit to happen. we're all new to the game as well | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
I also become irritated because of such outrageous rage like "Terrancraft" or "Cheese." They always have to say something when they lose... | ||
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hofodomo
United States257 Posts
It's really just letting go of expectations, and learning some new basics unique to SC2 that you may have not been familiar with before. In addition, the rankings are designed to be fair over a long period of time...strictly speaking, it will be the most fair when you and everyone else have infinity games under their belts. There will be some big variance, especially after a new ladder begins, but problems like these should settle, and should hardly be noticeable when you look at longer spans of games. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
This is a pointless thread. | ||
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zJayy962
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synapse
China13814 Posts
I am very angry. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On July 09 2010 10:19 Repok wrote: I get more frustrated because I got a higher standard at sc2 than sc. I couldn't do jack with the UI in sc but with sc2's easier environment, I expect more from me. :/ I also become irritated because of such outrageous rage like "Terrancraft" or "Cheese." They always have to say something when they lose... LOL blame sc for your loss? how funny- perhpas you just didn't practice enough / don't have the drive? sc2 should not be more frustrating. 1. it's easier 2. there are more new rts players making the skill level of the game goes way down. Don't worry about placement. if worse comes to worse you can just tear it up on the ladder, and stomp the facebook / wow kids and then make it to diamond league and feel proud at being superior at an inferior game. Sounds like this is the perfect time to mass game and get your stats up if you ask me | ||
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uberdeluxe
Canada306 Posts
On July 09 2010 10:05 bjornkavist wrote: hmmm good question, I can't say I was good at BW, D+ on a good day but I usually take BW more seriously than SC2. Though since the beta is out my friends care more about SC2 than BW so when I start to underperform in SC2 I guess they can get under my skin at times since we are quite competitive amongst ourselves. I was trying to make you feel good! Besides, I only got gold instead of plat/diamond... :C so in conclusion: | ||
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
Guess I'll have to work my way up again. | ||
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Blixy213
United States360 Posts
I was very happy how well I improved in SCII, I am able to get myself up to rank 1 in a division fairly quickly, despite my new arrival into starcraft. I also noticed how many Zerg players their are, and me being a zerg player, it sucks. ZvZ is widely known to be one of the worst match ups in starcraft right now. The only thing that keeps me on Zerg is the thought that there will be a major patch before release fixing things around, nothing like the one given to us, that was a complete joke, as I was expecting a SERIOUS overhaul of the game. I'm no IdrA at zerg, but I feel like not only is the balance frustrating, it's the current state of the game, so just stick it out, take the time to learn mechanics and not so much unit specific gameplay, as I still feel a patch with some big balance changes is still to come. /rant I guess. | ||
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OHtRUe
United States283 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
On July 09 2010 10:37 OHtRUe wrote: broodwar is 10x more frustrating then sc2. Having to put 200+ apm into a game and absolutely full effort into it AND LOSING is so frustrating. Also when you lose in broodwar you know its YOUR fault. In sc2 you can blame it on bullshit and imbalance or lack of development in the metagame. Of course this could be opposite for certain people, but still BW more frustrating Exactly. | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
On July 09 2010 08:23 InRaged wrote: I don't find this more frustrating than in BW, cause in BW there's no placement matches at all and you always start at the bottom ;P But yeah, I was genuinely annoyed when after last patch in phase 1 I went 2:3 in placement and got thrown into Bronze ~_~ I hope after release competition tightens up and leagues sort out themselves somehow, so being placed outside of Diamond wouldn't feel insulting as it is now. how do you start at the bottom when there is no bottom???? | ||
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TheNomad
United States134 Posts
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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
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Endbringer
United States111 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
I just got 4 pooled yesterday on Iccup. Shit was lame, but you just deal with it. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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