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citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 20:47:12
July 07 2010 10:20 GMT
#1
I've seen a large number of people here and elsewhere complaining about the SC2 Facebook integration because it allows any of your Facebook friends to locate your SC2 account. However I found a way around this, after testing it I put together an article explaining how you can hide from everyone or just specific people.

I've posted it over here on my blog, it explains in depth how to stop people finding you. I thought this might be helpful for quite a few people here!

This is my first post, apologies if it's in the wrong section and/or not supposed to be here, if so please direct me appropriately (also where do I find the rules for tl.net?)

Edit: Some people were questioning the legitimacy of my method, blizzard just posted about the integration which confirms my method being the correct one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5738549
Baksteen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands438 Posts
July 07 2010 10:23 GMT
#2
That's actually quite smart! Good first post and welcome to TL btw!

I'm glad i don't use facebook though :p
Derp Derp Derp
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
July 07 2010 10:24 GMT
#3
I have to say I couldn't care less about facebook integration so I didn't read your blog completely but I guess that if this works, you will make many people happy.

Rules
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 10:30 GMT
#4
On July 07 2010 19:24 Piski wrote:
I have to say I couldn't care less about facebook integration so I didn't read your blog completely but I guess that if this works, you will make many people happy.

Rules


I feel the same way, for me it's a none issue but there were quite a few people I've seen that stated this was make or break for them, they couldn't risk their boss and/or family finding them, which to me sounds a bit silly but eh, some people have strange lives!

Thanks for rules link, I'll check them out
Ullis
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden163 Posts
July 07 2010 10:30 GMT
#5
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 07 2010 10:34 GMT
#6
Thank fuk for that, good find. I hate blizzard sniffing up my ass to find all my friends and what I had for lunch on Tuesday. Blizzard you are a computer games company not the Gestapo - (know your place)
FlashDave.999 aka Star
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
July 07 2010 10:39 GMT
#7
Could just use a different email address for B.net...
http://www.twitter.com/famsytron/
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3977 Posts
July 07 2010 10:49 GMT
#8
I have mixed feelings about the whole facebook thing. I'm sure lots of people are against it, but the convergence of your online and irl identities is something that's going to happen more and more in the future. It's no longer a game world where you can rant and swear at random people, it's getting integrated into your daily life. I don't know what to think of that yet.
Obstbaum
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland224 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 11:13:24
July 07 2010 11:13 GMT
#9
goood stuff there...

its sad but now if you dont post blizz forums nothing happens. using TL and getting banned for angry posts ftw :D
nyshak
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany132 Posts
July 07 2010 11:15 GMT
#10
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.
B-)
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
July 07 2010 11:19 GMT
#11
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


i tryed this strategie years ago until now.
and i must say its very solid. i dont found any counter to it yet!
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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 07 2010 11:21 GMT
#12
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.
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lovewithlea
Profile Joined March 2010
168 Posts
July 07 2010 11:26 GMT
#13
maybe i am wrong, but doesnt this only work if u actually log into facebook via b.net or are logged in while starting sc2?
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 12:01 GMT
#14
On July 07 2010 20:26 lovewithlea wrote:
maybe i am wrong, but doesnt this only work if u actually log into facebook via b.net or are logged in while starting sc2?


I'm not sure what you mean, can you clarify?
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 12:08:09
July 07 2010 12:06 GMT
#15
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.



you know.. people had contact with old friends and family members before facebook...


might sound crazy to the younger generation but people used to meet or call eachother and actually talk! or even use other online services to communicate which dont expose evrything to the whole freakin world.
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m00n
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden14 Posts
July 07 2010 12:07 GMT
#16
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
July 07 2010 12:10 GMT
#17
Great to see people are finding work-arounds.
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 12:12 GMT
#18
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
July 07 2010 12:29 GMT
#19
Thank you great first post
and welcome to TL =)
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
July 07 2010 12:30 GMT
#20
Thankyou.
Baerinho
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany257 Posts
July 07 2010 12:37 GMT
#21
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.



same here, but i got the german "version" from a different company,
but as i see it its more likely that gets implemented before chatchannels or something
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
July 07 2010 12:53 GMT
#22
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


lol, ditto.
I gave in when I was forced to upon entering college and signed up, but then got the heck outta there when it turned into myspace and every other stupid 'community' app out there. why couldn't fb just stay different?
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Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
July 07 2010 13:15 GMT
#23
Link gives me an error :{
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
July 07 2010 13:17 GMT
#24
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.


You use facebook to contact family members...what is the world come to ...
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 07 2010 14:32 GMT
#25
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Wow that's incredibly stupid. Why do they not tell us this? I assumed that if I didn't log into FB through SC2 then it wouldn't connect the two. That's a major invasion of privacy.

Glad my b.net email and FB email are different in any case.
STX Fighting!
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 14:36 GMT
#26
On July 07 2010 23:32 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Wow that's incredibly stupid. Why do they not tell us this? I assumed that if I didn't log into FB through SC2 then it wouldn't connect the two. That's a major invasion of privacy.

Glad my b.net email and FB email are different in any case.


Indeed, this is why a lot of people were upset by it.
PaterSin
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany301 Posts
July 07 2010 14:39 GMT
#27
lol I have facebook and play sc2 and both are on the same e-mail but it never automatically connected me don't know why so for me this was never a problem.
En Taro Tassadar
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 15:00:11
July 07 2010 14:50 GMT
#28
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
July 07 2010 14:55 GMT
#29
I think the sooner you hide from it the better. We've all heard about the 'just to add friends line', but I saw this: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/blizzard-and-facebooks-friendly-social-networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1 today and it scares the bejesus out of me what Blizzard has in mind.

I'm hardly a privacy nut, and in the scheme of things I'm happy with everything so long as there are sufficient opt-outs. But I'm no longer sure the opt-outs will a) be there or b) will be obvious enough for me to make use of them.
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
July 07 2010 15:03 GMT
#30
I like facebook integration, it lets me find friends to play with that I didn't even known played SC.

It just saves me time. Though I do understand why some people might be concerned, I think for the vast majority of the population it's a good thing and not a bad thing.
Accer
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)319 Posts
July 07 2010 15:05 GMT
#31
Nice post, I think it will help out a lot of people who are troubled by the facebook integration.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the current system. I don't mind if any of my real life friends or family have access to find my account name since in order to do so they must own a battle-net game to begin with, and if they do own one, I probably want to play with them anyway. I used the system to discover that a few of my friends (who I don't see frequently anymore) played SCII.

Of course, I believe that everyone has a right to their privacy and have their own valid reasons for doing so, and for that, I think the Facebook integration should at least be optional. Thankfully you've shown us a work around for the time being.
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 07 2010 15:06 GMT
#32
you go to that 'Add a Friend' button, there is an interface that pops up and there is going to be a button right there that says, 'Got Facebook? Click here.' If you click on that button, you are going to log into Facebook, right there within the Battle.net interface, in the game. You are going to type in our Facebook username and password and it will say, 'Searching your Facebook friends list for friends' and then it will pop open this interface with your Facebook friends on one side and your Battle.net friends on the other side and you will be able to click and selectively add them to your Battle.net network.


Here you go straight from that article that is "scaring the bejesus" out of people. /sigh
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 07 2010 15:07 GMT
#33
On July 08 2010 00:05 Accer wrote:
Nice post, I think it will help out a lot of people who are troubled by the facebook integration.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the current system. I don't mind if any of my real life friends or family have access to find my account name since in order to do so they must own a battle-net game to begin with, and if they do own one, I probably want to play with them anyway. I used the system to discover that a few of my friends (who I don't see frequently anymore) played SCII.

Of course, I believe that everyone has a right to their privacy and have their own valid reasons for doing so, and for that, I think the Facebook integration should at least be optional. Thankfully you've shown us a work around for the time being.


Only idiots currently think that it isn't optional.
Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
July 07 2010 15:10 GMT
#34
If you don't like the facebook integration, don't use it.
It's optional.
Why hide from it, if you didn't want it in the first place?
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DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
July 07 2010 15:15 GMT
#35
My method is to use a different email for battle.net and facebook.
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Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
July 07 2010 15:16 GMT
#36
Just don't use the integration. Problem solved.
~_~
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 07 2010 15:41 GMT
#37
On July 07 2010 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.



you know.. people had contact with old friends and family members before facebook...


might sound crazy to the younger generation but people used to meet or call eachother and actually talk! or even use other online services to communicate which dont expose evrything to the whole freakin world.



facebook makes it so much easier to stalk girls i barely know though
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citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 15:47:15
July 07 2010 15:44 GMT
#38
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


I am also a developer, I don't see your point. If I login to the Facebook section of SC2 it will scan my friends list and tell me who on my friends list is a player of SC2 and will give me their username. If my friend has NEVER logged in with the Facebook integration they will still be returned as a result, which I have tested.

If you'd read the Facebook documentation and consider why this feature exists (the ability to hide your email from certain people) you'd realise it's very much possible. Maybe you're misunderstanding my explanation, but it does work how I described.

I tested this with a friend who had NEVER entered his Facebook information into the box provided by SC2, yet he showed up when I searched for friends. why is that the case, if as you say, it's "impossible"?

You're misunderstanding. If I am logged in as you, I can query Facebook (through the API) and it'll respond with the email addresses of all your friends. When you give SC2 your Facebook information it queries Facebook for your friends Emails, it then matches those Emails against the battle net database. This is the reason Facebook allow you to hide your email from friends.

When the beta is back online we can verify if you like.
EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
July 07 2010 15:46 GMT
#39
I also don't have a problem with Fbook integration...but I do realize that there are potential threats and such.

The thing for me is...I like how I can find my friends IRL and play with them (and destroy them =D). I can find people that I had no clue they had SC2... Also..I'm not really afraid of my friends finding me...b/c they are...my friends.

But again, I know there can be some ways where strangers can somehow access your info....
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Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
July 07 2010 15:47 GMT
#40
If I make it so 1 person can see my email address does that screw everything up???
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Cleomenes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States138 Posts
July 07 2010 15:47 GMT
#41
Added the article without the pictures in this spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +
How to prevent Battle net Facebook integration revealing your in game identity
With the release of Starcraft 2 and the new World of Warcraft expansion Blizzard have announced the release of battle.net 2.0, the new identity/game management “portal” for all their games. The new system supports some great new features, but it has also brought quite a few that a lot of gamers don’t like.

The feature that most people have a problem with is the Facebook integration. The Facebook integration allows someone to provide battle.net 2.0 with their Facebook details and then Battle.net 2.0 will tell them which of their friends has an account with Battle.net 2.0 and give them their friends username. This, for some people, is a very big problem. However there is a solution!

It’s a very simple process, but it’s not something that Battle.net 2.0 supports “natively”, you’ll need to change settings on your Facebook account to prevent this. With the solution provided below you can choose to block everyone on your friends list from finding you, or just a select group of people like your boss and girlfriend! I’ve linked to a video below explaining how to do this but I’ll explain it in text form too!

How to prevent people from finding you through battle.net 2.0 Facebook integration (click the images for a full view)

Login to your Facebook account, once you’re logged click “Account” in the top right, a drop down will appear and from there you should select “Privacy Settings”. At the bottom of the page you should see a link for “customise settings”: Select this.



Now you’ll be taken to a page that lists all your different options in depth, if you scroll to the very bottom of this page you should see your email address listed, to the right of this is a button that displays your current choice, click this and then select “customise” from the drop down box.



This is where you can select who to hide yourself from. To hide from everyone simply select “Only me” then “Save Setting”. If you wish to hide from specific people, for example your wife, girlfriend or boss, enter their name into the field and select them and click “Save Setting”.



Done! It’s that simple! Now the people listed (or everyone!) can’t connect your Facebook account with your Blizzard account!

How/why does this work?

The way battle.net 2.0 Facebook integration works is pretty simple. After entering your username and password it’ll connect to Facebook as you and look for the Email address associated with each of your friends accounts, after it has all these email addresses it will compare them against their database and if a match is found it’ll say “oh hey, we found your friend”. Facebook’s extensive privacy settings (fortunately) allow you to say that you don’t want your friends to be able to see your email address and because battle.net 2.0 simply logs in as your friend they’ll also be unable to see the email!

Are you sure?

I’ve tested this out with a friend and I am 100% sure. After changing the settings (as instructed above) my friend no longer showed up on my list when entering the Facebook information required. This doesn’t mean that in the future it won’t change, however it would require Blizzard to work directly with Facebook which is unlikely!

The video is below, although the sound is quiet and it doesn’t add very much beyond visual representation of the instructions.



Hopefully this explanation will help those of you who will suffer adversely from people being able to find you! Don’t worry, your secret WoW addiction is safe with me.

dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 15:57:35
July 07 2010 15:51 GMT
#42
On July 07 2010 23:55 kar1181 wrote:
I think the sooner you hide from it the better. We've all heard about the 'just to add friends line', but I saw this: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/blizzard-and-facebooks-friendly-social-networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1 today and it scares the bejesus out of me what Blizzard has in mind.

I'm hardly a privacy nut, and in the scheme of things I'm happy with everything so long as there are sufficient opt-outs. But I'm no longer sure the opt-outs will a) be there or b) will be obvious enough for me to make use of them.


i read through some of the comments and what i got out of that is this:

most of the complainers against facebook integration are from WoW.

they are scared about what it will all mean for them. i'm pretty sure blizzard won't screw over the WoW players, but if they do, it's not a big deal, imo. but whatever. if you can't admit that you play a mmorpg, why are you playing it in the first place?

if people want to discriminate against you because they see you play some video game, that's up to them.

quite honestly i'm still amazed at how little smokers are discriminated against. if anything, knowing you're a WoW player could make it easier to get a job, who knows. the interviewer may have the same addiction.

On July 08 2010 00:41 stroggos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.



you know.. people had contact with old friends and family members before facebook...


might sound crazy to the younger generation but people used to meet or call eachother and actually talk! or even use other online services to communicate which dont expose evrything to the whole freakin world.



facebook makes it so much easier to stalk girls i barely know though


yeah most of them can be pretty boring but every once in a while you meet someone who is really a great person but already has a boyfriend...lol.
DanielD
Profile Joined May 2010
United States192 Posts
July 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#43
If you are such a loser that you (think you) need to hide your hobbies from your 'friends' in order for them to like you, find some new friends or grow a pair.

Otherwise I don't see why this matters at all.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 16:46:07
July 07 2010 16:42 GMT
#44
On July 08 2010 00:44 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


I am also a developer, I don't see your point. If I login to the Facebook section of SC2 it will scan my friends list and tell me who on my friends list is a player of SC2 and will give me their username. If my friend has NEVER logged in with the Facebook integration they will still be returned as a result, which I have tested.

If you'd read the Facebook documentation and consider why this feature exists (the ability to hide your email from certain people) you'd realise it's very much possible. Maybe you're misunderstanding my explanation, but it does work how I described.

I tested this with a friend who had NEVER entered his Facebook information into the box provided by SC2, yet he showed up when I searched for friends. why is that the case, if as you say, it's "impossible"?

You're misunderstanding. If I am logged in as you, I can query Facebook (through the API) and it'll respond with the email addresses of all your friends. When you give SC2 your Facebook information it queries Facebook for your friends Emails, it then matches those Emails against the battle net database. This is the reason Facebook allow you to hide your email from friends.

When the beta is back online we can verify if you like.


All other facebook connect transactions are opt in only by both parties.

If Blizzard is as you say sidestepping the API and just linking on email addresses (which AFAIR was never given out by default with the facebook connect API) then I guess all bets are off. I am pretty sure this kind of thing was originally against the terms of use of the connect service though hence my caveat about them maybe having a Blizzard specific deal in place...

Taking your evidence at face value I am shocked they have gone down this route to be honest. /sigh

Edit: having just spoken to a friend of mine who is both in the beta and on facebook he could not confirm your evidence. He is adamant that when he originally linked his facebook I did not appear in the list and it was only a few days later when he checked it again did I popup. Though we all know how dodgy battle.net was just after database resets so I wouldn't take it as conclusive.
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 16:49:54
July 07 2010 16:49 GMT
#45
On July 08 2010 01:42 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 00:44 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


I am also a developer, I don't see your point. If I login to the Facebook section of SC2 it will scan my friends list and tell me who on my friends list is a player of SC2 and will give me their username. If my friend has NEVER logged in with the Facebook integration they will still be returned as a result, which I have tested.

If you'd read the Facebook documentation and consider why this feature exists (the ability to hide your email from certain people) you'd realise it's very much possible. Maybe you're misunderstanding my explanation, but it does work how I described.

I tested this with a friend who had NEVER entered his Facebook information into the box provided by SC2, yet he showed up when I searched for friends. why is that the case, if as you say, it's "impossible"?

You're misunderstanding. If I am logged in as you, I can query Facebook (through the API) and it'll respond with the email addresses of all your friends. When you give SC2 your Facebook information it queries Facebook for your friends Emails, it then matches those Emails against the battle net database. This is the reason Facebook allow you to hide your email from friends.

When the beta is back online we can verify if you like.


All other facebook connect transactions are opt in only by both parties.

If Blizzard is as you say sidestepping the API and just linking on email addresses (which AFAIR was never given out by default with the facebook connect API) then I guess all bets are off. I am pretty sure this kind of thing was originally against the terms of use of the connect service though hence my caveat about them maybe having a Blizzard specific deal in place...

Taking your evidence at face value I am shocked they have gone down this route to be honest. /sigh

Edit: having just spoken to a friend of mine who is both in the beta and on facebook he could not confirm your evidence. He is adamant that when he originally linked his facebook I did not appear in the list and it was only a few days later when he checked it again did I popup. Though we all know how dodgy battle.net was just after database resets so I wouldn't take it as conclusive.


It's really not that magical, the API has made your friends data accesible for years and will continue to. I'll confirm it when the beta comes back online and record it for you, but I checked before (although I didn't record it) and I'm 100% sure it's accurate. The friend I tested it with had never "connected" his account and he showed up, yet after doing my method (and still not connecting) he didn't. That to me is conclusive.

All blizzard is doing is taking your friends data that they make available to your account and comparing it to their own data.
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
July 07 2010 16:58 GMT
#46
Um heres another thought dont have a facebook , i know i dont ;p
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 07 2010 17:12 GMT
#47
On July 08 2010 01:49 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 01:42 Ikkath wrote:
On July 08 2010 00:44 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


I am also a developer, I don't see your point. If I login to the Facebook section of SC2 it will scan my friends list and tell me who on my friends list is a player of SC2 and will give me their username. If my friend has NEVER logged in with the Facebook integration they will still be returned as a result, which I have tested.

If you'd read the Facebook documentation and consider why this feature exists (the ability to hide your email from certain people) you'd realise it's very much possible. Maybe you're misunderstanding my explanation, but it does work how I described.

I tested this with a friend who had NEVER entered his Facebook information into the box provided by SC2, yet he showed up when I searched for friends. why is that the case, if as you say, it's "impossible"?

You're misunderstanding. If I am logged in as you, I can query Facebook (through the API) and it'll respond with the email addresses of all your friends. When you give SC2 your Facebook information it queries Facebook for your friends Emails, it then matches those Emails against the battle net database. This is the reason Facebook allow you to hide your email from friends.

When the beta is back online we can verify if you like.


All other facebook connect transactions are opt in only by both parties.

If Blizzard is as you say sidestepping the API and just linking on email addresses (which AFAIR was never given out by default with the facebook connect API) then I guess all bets are off. I am pretty sure this kind of thing was originally against the terms of use of the connect service though hence my caveat about them maybe having a Blizzard specific deal in place...

Taking your evidence at face value I am shocked they have gone down this route to be honest. /sigh

Edit: having just spoken to a friend of mine who is both in the beta and on facebook he could not confirm your evidence. He is adamant that when he originally linked his facebook I did not appear in the list and it was only a few days later when he checked it again did I popup. Though we all know how dodgy battle.net was just after database resets so I wouldn't take it as conclusive.


It's really not that magical, the API has made your friends data accesible for years and will continue to. I'll confirm it when the beta comes back online and record it for you, but I checked before (although I didn't record it) and I'm 100% sure it's accurate. The friend I tested it with had never "connected" his account and he showed up, yet after doing my method (and still not connecting) he didn't. That to me is conclusive.

All blizzard is doing is taking your friends data that they make available to your account and comparing it to their own data.


The facebook graph API only grants access to a "proxied email" address which is not going to be directly comparable to the one stored by Blizzard themselves.

Blizzard should be using the friends.getAppUsers to make the connections.

I am no expert in this API (having only used it briefly - and not for this kind of thing) but it seems that what you suggest (local comparision of returned email addresses) is not possible unless of course Blizzard are not using the public API - which I originally stated could be a possibility.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 07 2010 17:20 GMT
#48
On July 07 2010 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.



you know.. people had contact with old friends and family members before facebook...


people walked before they had wheels
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Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 17:24:42
July 07 2010 17:24 GMT
#49
Am I the only one concerned about the idea that someone had to make an article explaining how to PREVENT it, and that its not a simple, intuitive dialog box when you load up the game asking you "Do you want SC2 to hook into your Facebook account?"?

I have to wonder if this is the same thing they're going to do with the parental lock on the forums with the RealID thing. Only aware parents who know about this new system, who are concerned about their kids handing out personal information, are going to know about it and proactively prevent it. Everyone else just gets thrown into the mix automatically.
AbyssV3
Profile Joined April 2010
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 17:56:37
July 07 2010 17:53 GMT
#50
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


No, it's not rubbish. You are misunderstanding how it works.

Here's the way I understand it. Myself, "Abyss", and my friend, "Ikkath" both have facebook and both play on B.Net. If I go through Facebook to look up Ikkath's email, I can. If I use Battle.net's Facebook integration, I tell Battle.net my email and pass, it logs into Facebook and brings up a list of my friends and their email addresses (visible to me, as a friend of them). Battle.net then cross references the list of friend's emails to the list of battle.net users emails.

You give Facebook permission to share any of your information with your friends. Your friends give permission for Battle.net to access anything that they can access.

That's how I understand it, how the article explains it, and the means of blocking it follows suit.

On July 08 2010 02:24 Bibdy wrote:
Am I the only one concerned about the idea that someone had to make an article explaining how to PREVENT it, and that its not a simple, intuitive dialog box when you load up the game asking you "Do you want SC2 to hook into your Facebook account?"?

I have to wonder if this is the same thing they're going to do with the parental lock on the forums with the RealID thing. Only aware parents who know about this new system, who are concerned about their kids handing out personal information, are going to know about it and proactively prevent it. Everyone else just gets thrown into the mix automatically.


Read how it works. You DO have to give battle.net permission to access your account to see YOUR friends, but Your friends can give Battle.net access to view what they can view (your email).

What I don't understand is why people go up in arms about it. this is no different from any of your friends going through each of their friends lists and adding every email listed for every friend they have - just goes a lot quicker.
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
July 07 2010 18:04 GMT
#51
wow, thanks so much man.

great post
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 18:23:46
July 07 2010 18:19 GMT
#52
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


You are a very smart man.

Let's be friends! :p

For the other people who don't get why it's such a bad thing. You

a) don't work at a place that checks references and does background checks
b) aren't job/career hunting
c) probably don't use facebook that much anyway

Privacy is always a major issue on the internet.
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 18:59 GMT
#53
On July 08 2010 03:19 StarStruck wrote:

You are a very smart man.

Let's be friends! :p


but not on Facebook!
Baksteen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands438 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 19:01:36
July 07 2010 19:01 GMT
#54
On July 08 2010 03:19 StarStruck wrote:

You are a very smart man.

Let's be friends! :p


Add me on facebook <3

Edit: horribly slow me
Derp Derp Derp
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
July 07 2010 19:03 GMT
#55
I'm confused..

I personally don't want most of my friends to know I play Starcraft II, and definitely not my coworkers. But why would I care if my friends that also play Starcraft II find out I play Starcraft II?
DanielD
Profile Joined May 2010
United States192 Posts
July 07 2010 19:30 GMT
#56
On July 08 2010 04:03 PokePill wrote:
I'm confused..

I personally don't want most of my friends to know I play Starcraft II, and definitely not my coworkers. But why would I care if my friends that also play Starcraft II find out I play Starcraft II?


Explain yourself.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 07 2010 19:43 GMT
#57
On July 07 2010 19:39 fams wrote:
Could just use a different email address for B.net...


Nah, that'd be too easy!
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
July 07 2010 19:47 GMT
#58
wowww this is very nice! thanks!
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
Ullis
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden163 Posts
July 07 2010 20:30 GMT
#59
On July 08 2010 03:59 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 03:19 StarStruck wrote:

You are a very smart man.

Let's be friends! :p


but not on Facebook!



Ofc we can <3

I'm a sucker for compliments. I never liked facebook and other sites (like there is a site at least in sweden named birthday.se where you can look up peoples age, name, location etc.)

I'm no "1337 h4xx0r" but even I could dig up pretty much everything I'd like to know..

I've always avoided facebook partly because it keeps me a tiny tad under the radar and also because I don't see the point of it. MSN and forums goes a long way for me.
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 20:54:11
July 07 2010 20:34 GMT
#60
On July 08 2010 02:53 AbyssV3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 23:50 Ikkath wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:12 citricsquid wrote:
On July 07 2010 21:07 m00n wrote:
I think you have to connect to facebook through b.net before people can see you.


No, not the case. If you're on your friends friend list and your Facebook email matches your battle net email they'll be shown your account details, whether or not you've ever connected with Facebook in SC2 (or other battle net 2.0 games) is irrelevant. This is of course unless they've changed something during the downtime...


Absolute rubbish. As a developer that has a little experience with the Facebook Connect API I can tell you are totally wrong.

You have to explicitly give the facebook login details within battle.net to link the accounts and allow battle.net to access any data stored in your facebook profile.


Edit: Thinking about it I guess it is possible that Blizzard and Facebook have a special deal worked out that would negate the requirement for a password - though I can't fathom as to why this would be advantagous to either party.


No, it's not rubbish. You are misunderstanding how it works.

Here's the way I understand it. Myself, "Abyss", and my friend, "Ikkath" both have facebook and both play on B.Net. If I go through Facebook to look up Ikkath's email, I can. If I use Battle.net's Facebook integration, I tell Battle.net my email and pass, it logs into Facebook and brings up a list of my friends and their email addresses (visible to me, as a friend of them). Battle.net then cross references the list of friend's emails to the list of battle.net users emails.

You give Facebook permission to share any of your information with your friends. Your friends give permission for Battle.net to access anything that they can access.

That's how I understand it, how the article explains it, and the means of blocking it follows suit.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 02:24 Bibdy wrote:
Am I the only one concerned about the idea that someone had to make an article explaining how to PREVENT it, and that its not a simple, intuitive dialog box when you load up the game asking you "Do you want SC2 to hook into your Facebook account?"?

I have to wonder if this is the same thing they're going to do with the parental lock on the forums with the RealID thing. Only aware parents who know about this new system, who are concerned about their kids handing out personal information, are going to know about it and proactively prevent it. Everyone else just gets thrown into the mix automatically.


Read how it works. You DO have to give battle.net permission to access your account to see YOUR friends, but Your friends can give Battle.net access to view what they can view (your email).

What I don't understand is why people go up in arms about it. this is no different from any of your friends going through each of their friends lists and adding every email listed for every friend they have - just goes a lot quicker.

I am not misunderstanding how it works at all. I am trying to understand how such a setup would work given the facebook public API (that I have used a little bit so its not like I am talking out of my arse here).

Did you even read my other post about the API? It doesnt look like you get access to the real email address of the users - you get a proxied email that is a hashed email based on the user/app pair. With this it wouldnt be possible for them to do the matching at Blizzard's end.

Though I am by no means an expert in the API so there may well be another call that gets you the unmasked email address - though I couldn't find it this afternoon. Of course that is all by the by if Blizzard have a special deal with facebook (which I find hard to believe at face value).

My facebook email isn't the same as my battle.net email - yet people added me just fine after I had logged in once and thus had the "battle.net service" application authorised on my facebook profile. The presence of this app is what determines if the user is flagged up as a potential RealID friend - not a reverse lookup of the email address.
EiNiS
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden72 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 21:09:54
July 07 2010 21:09 GMT
#61
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fatduck
Profile Joined April 2010
United States148 Posts
July 07 2010 21:11 GMT
#62
On July 07 2010 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 20:21 aPsychonaut wrote:
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


Yeah, that's clever! Instead of just changing a setting, let's all cancel our Facebook-accounts and stop having contact with old friends and family members.



you know.. people had contact with old friends and family members before facebook...


might sound crazy to the younger generation but people used to meet or call eachother and actually talk! or even use other online services to communicate which dont expose evrything to the whole freakin world.


Yea, and people got around before planes, trains, and automobiles, too. Just because something's new doesn't mean it's bad. Just because some people are idiots on Facebook doesn't mean everyone is. Plenty of people use Facebook to connect with friends and family and don't put a ton of private information on there...
good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 07 2010 21:15 GMT
#63
On July 08 2010 06:09 EiNiS wrote:
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funneh. Although i think sc2's ladder system makes up for everything crossed out on that list.
hi
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 07 2010 21:20 GMT
#64
On July 08 2010 05:34 Ikkath wrote:
My facebook email isn't the same as my battle.net email - yet people added me just fine after I had logged in once and thus had the "battle.net service" application authorised on my facebook profile. The presence of this app is what determines if the user is flagged up as a potential RealID friend - not a reverse lookup of the email address.


Again, not true at all. I made sure to test this and it's 100% not connected to any application. For one after changing settings as I instruct in the blog post my friend no longer showed up on my list, that confirms (for me at least) that it's this setting that matters.

Secondly to disprove your app theory: go to the app and tell me if it says any of your friends are using it, for me it says they aren't yet two of my friends come up in game when I search for them... if they're not using the application and your theory is true how can that be so?
richard_keats
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States54 Posts
July 07 2010 21:21 GMT
#65
OH NO some of my friends might find me through the SC2 Facebook integration I mean it's not like I want to play games with them or anything right

I don't really see why people are complaining about this, FB integration is a really useful feature.
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 21:31:07
July 07 2010 21:25 GMT
#66
On July 08 2010 06:21 Kironide wrote:
OH NO some of my friends might find me through the SC2 Facebook integration I mean it's not like I want to play games with them or anything right

I don't really see why people are complaining about this, FB integration is a really useful feature.


Agreed.


On July 08 2010 06:20 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 05:34 Ikkath wrote:
My facebook email isn't the same as my battle.net email - yet people added me just fine after I had logged in once and thus had the "battle.net service" application authorised on my facebook profile. The presence of this app is what determines if the user is flagged up as a potential RealID friend - not a reverse lookup of the email address.


Again, not true at all. I made sure to test this and it's 100% not connected to any application. For one after changing settings as I instruct in the blog post my friend no longer showed up on my list, that confirms (for me at least) that it's this setting that matters.

Secondly to disprove your app theory: go to the app and tell me if it says any of your friends are using it, for me it says they aren't yet two of my friends come up in game when I search for them... if they're not using the application and your theory is true how can that be so?


What are you talking about?

My facebook email address is DIFFERENT to my battle.net account - so the app is definitely being used to indicate that this account is active. It is the same thing with the xbox live integration (again another different email address for my live account). The email address is not the key - hell just to push my point even further I already had my email privacy settings set to not give it to anyone, yet I can still be found on battle.net. If you are "100% convinced" then how can this work?

If I go into the battle.net service app I see the other people that I had added before are still using the app. Honestly I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about here.

Read the API and come and try again (since I don't want to believe apriori that Blizzard have a special deal with facebook that just lets them come and grab anything using undocumented API calls).
PGHammer
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
July 07 2010 23:44 GMT
#67
On July 07 2010 19:30 citricsquid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 19:24 Piski wrote:
I have to say I couldn't care less about facebook integration so I didn't read your blog completely but I guess that if this works, you will make many people happy.

Rules


I feel the same way, for me it's a none issue but there were quite a few people I've seen that stated this was make or break for them, they couldn't risk their boss and/or family finding them, which to me sounds a bit silly but eh, some people have strange lives!

Thanks for rules link, I'll check them out


Actually (since unlike a lot of the complainers, I didn't hang out in the original BattleNet), I find the integration with Facebook useful. (Besides, SC2 isn't the first game to have some integration with the social-network portal; it's not by a long shot.)
Bad news, fellas
PGHammer
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
July 08 2010 00:00 GMT
#68
On July 08 2010 06:25 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 06:21 Kironide wrote:
OH NO some of my friends might find me through the SC2 Facebook integration I mean it's not like I want to play games with them or anything right

I don't really see why people are complaining about this, FB integration is a really useful feature.


Agreed.


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On July 08 2010 06:20 citricsquid wrote:
On July 08 2010 05:34 Ikkath wrote:
My facebook email isn't the same as my battle.net email - yet people added me just fine after I had logged in once and thus had the "battle.net service" application authorised on my facebook profile. The presence of this app is what determines if the user is flagged up as a potential RealID friend - not a reverse lookup of the email address.


Again, not true at all. I made sure to test this and it's 100% not connected to any application. For one after changing settings as I instruct in the blog post my friend no longer showed up on my list, that confirms (for me at least) that it's this setting that matters.

Secondly to disprove your app theory: go to the app and tell me if it says any of your friends are using it, for me it says they aren't yet two of my friends come up in game when I search for them... if they're not using the application and your theory is true how can that be so?


What are you talking about?

My facebook email address is DIFFERENT to my battle.net account - so the app is definitely being used to indicate that this account is active. It is the same thing with the xbox live integration (again another different email address for my live account). The email address is not the key - hell just to push my point even further I already had my email privacy settings set to not give it to anyone, yet I can still be found on battle.net. If you are "100% convinced" then how can this work?

If I go into the battle.net service app I see the other people that I had added before are still using the app. Honestly I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about here.

Read the API and come and try again (since I don't want to believe apriori that Blizzard have a special deal with facebook that just lets them come and grab anything using undocumented API calls).



The API calls are not undocumented; it's just that some folks don't read *all* the documentation for those calls.

Also, generally if you have multiple e-mail addresses, some how, and in some way, they can be cross-indexed.

For example, I have five (not four) e-mail addresses; however, only four are ever used for e-mail (and only three are used regularly; the fourth is dedicated to being a bulk e-mail catcher). They are also all completely different. (My Windows Live ID is also used for XBOX Live; however, it is *not* used for e-mail at all. My four addresses that *are* used for email - ISP, GMail, Yahoo, and Hotmail, are all used for different purposes; GMail is used for bulk e-mail catching, for example.)

My Yahoo ID is also used for e-mail (and is my Facebook ID); however, it's not linked directly to anything else. (No, my BNet account is *not* linked to either Yahoo or Facebook; however, if it were linked to one, it would be linked to both.)

I've had a Yahoo ID/e-mail address the longest of my five e-mail addresses (in fact, it dates back to my days playing the original BattleChest (now Anthology)). If I *had* played on BNet, I would therefore likely be chased for "remember when" matches from locals that I knew that played on BNet (which could still happen; several of them knew my Yahoo ID, which has remained unchanged).
Bad news, fellas
Bio
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada185 Posts
July 08 2010 00:04 GMT
#69
On July 07 2010 20:15 nyshak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


This.


DO IT!
"Oh no, he has run out of..... base!"
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 08 2010 00:22 GMT
#70
On July 08 2010 09:00 PGHammer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 06:25 Ikkath wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Kironide wrote:
OH NO some of my friends might find me through the SC2 Facebook integration I mean it's not like I want to play games with them or anything right

I don't really see why people are complaining about this, FB integration is a really useful feature.


Agreed.


On July 08 2010 06:20 citricsquid wrote:
On July 08 2010 05:34 Ikkath wrote:
My facebook email isn't the same as my battle.net email - yet people added me just fine after I had logged in once and thus had the "battle.net service" application authorised on my facebook profile. The presence of this app is what determines if the user is flagged up as a potential RealID friend - not a reverse lookup of the email address.


Again, not true at all. I made sure to test this and it's 100% not connected to any application. For one after changing settings as I instruct in the blog post my friend no longer showed up on my list, that confirms (for me at least) that it's this setting that matters.

Secondly to disprove your app theory: go to the app and tell me if it says any of your friends are using it, for me it says they aren't yet two of my friends come up in game when I search for them... if they're not using the application and your theory is true how can that be so?


What are you talking about?

My facebook email address is DIFFERENT to my battle.net account - so the app is definitely being used to indicate that this account is active. It is the same thing with the xbox live integration (again another different email address for my live account). The email address is not the key - hell just to push my point even further I already had my email privacy settings set to not give it to anyone, yet I can still be found on battle.net. If you are "100% convinced" then how can this work?

If I go into the battle.net service app I see the other people that I had added before are still using the app. Honestly I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about here.

Read the API and come and try again (since I don't want to believe apriori that Blizzard have a special deal with facebook that just lets them come and grab anything using undocumented API calls).



The API calls are not undocumented; it's just that some folks don't read *all* the documentation for those calls.

Also, generally if you have multiple e-mail addresses, some how, and in some way, they can be cross-indexed.

For example, I have five (not four) e-mail addresses; however, only four are ever used for e-mail (and only three are used regularly; the fourth is dedicated to being a bulk e-mail catcher). They are also all completely different. (My Windows Live ID is also used for XBOX Live; however, it is *not* used for e-mail at all. My four addresses that *are* used for email - ISP, GMail, Yahoo, and Hotmail, are all used for different purposes; GMail is used for bulk e-mail catching, for example.)

My Yahoo ID is also used for e-mail (and is my Facebook ID); however, it's not linked directly to anything else. (No, my BNet account is *not* linked to either Yahoo or Facebook; however, if it were linked to one, it would be linked to both.)

I've had a Yahoo ID/e-mail address the longest of my five e-mail addresses (in fact, it dates back to my days playing the original BattleChest (now Anthology)). If I *had* played on BNet, I would therefore likely be chased for "remember when" matches from locals that I knew that played on BNet (which could still happen; several of them knew my Yahoo ID, which has remained unchanged).


Ummmm what are you trying to say? That I didn't read all of the API calls - I can assure you that I read all of the ones that focused around the REST and FQL queries. Not so much about the graph API, but it doesn't look like in the area of users it gives anything more than the other API's do.

My assertion is that the facebook API only allows "proxy email" addresses that are:

a) NOT your actual email address but created uniquely for the application (in this case the battle.net service facebook app) and user pair. They only allow for the developers to send email to friends - the proxy address masks the actual address which is forwarded on by facebook.

b) Kept private regardless as it's against the terms and conditions of the facebook platform.

If this situation is indeed correct then it is in fact impossible for Blizzard to be looking up people via email matching as some people are supposing. This only leaves the documented and secure way of doing the matching with the "battle.net service" app and related friends.getAppUsers API calls.

I am not 100% certain that it isn't happening (though my own evidence suggests you need to have had the application linked to your facebook profile first) as like I say Blizzard may be privvy to different calls other than the documented API. Feel free to go nuts:

http://developers.facebook.com/docs/

I am out of this conversation. Facebook integration is a positive thing and I can't be arsed to discuss how it could be implemented with people seemingly ill equipped for such a discussion. It takes too much energy.
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 00:32:50
July 08 2010 00:31 GMT
#71
On July 08 2010 01:41 DanielD wrote:
If you are such a loser that you (think you) need to hide your hobbies from your 'friends' in order for them to like you, find some new friends or grow a pair.

Otherwise I don't see why this matters at all.
However it would incredibly naive to think that your profile is only visible to your "friends." I don't want video games to be the first hobby of mine a potential employer sees when they're trying to look up info about me.

Thank you very much OP. I found this incredibly useful.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
sotmh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States41 Posts
July 08 2010 00:48 GMT
#72
I don't really want to sound alarmist, but if Blizzard is reading my email address when my friends use the battle.net integration, what's to keep them from reading anything else on my profile that my friends can see?
sMi.NewB
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States127 Posts
July 08 2010 00:59 GMT
#73
really good article, thanks for posting this. I actually had already done that but totally forgot, so now I remember how to get there and make that change and I understand why it works, hehe.
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Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
July 08 2010 01:03 GMT
#74
I use a different email address for bnet and facebook (back when it was good because it was just college students), so unless I tell bnet to search on facebook for friends, it won't find anything.
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 08 2010 07:52 GMT
#75
On July 08 2010 09:48 sotmh wrote:
I don't really want to sound alarmist, but if Blizzard is reading my email address when my friends use the battle.net integration, what's to keep them from reading anything else on my profile that my friends can see?


Nothing is "stopping" them, but you'd have to ask why they'd want that information.
[HB]Mess
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark37 Posts
July 08 2010 09:55 GMT
#76
Strange. I never clicked the facebook integration button in StarCraft II, and my account never got integrated. Even though FB and BN use the same email address.

I think someone is trying hard to find something to rage about.
Shit, I woke up...
Akipics
Profile Joined March 2010
United States45 Posts
July 08 2010 10:24 GMT
#77
or you can register facebook with different e-mail address than your bnet account.
This is kind of no brainer.
you are the one share your e-mail to people at the first place.
we dance, we fight, we ban, ban. ban
Inkarnate
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada840 Posts
July 08 2010 12:23 GMT
#78
Theres a new option in the Starcraft 2 menu. Look for the one concerning facebook. Not at home so can't get exact wording but it pretty much says:

If you use the facebook to look for friends, you will stayed 'logged in' to your facebook and other people can find you. Click here to log out and you will not be found.

Haven't tested this so hopefully it solves some problems.

Cheers
AbyssV3
Profile Joined April 2010
United States172 Posts
July 08 2010 19:40 GMT
#79
If the claims of people saying that they used a different email and it still pulled them up on friend's accounts - then it's looking at the application as well.

I believe they have some super secret extra API power to pull a list of emails. Not hard for a large company like Blizzard if they go and talk to Facebook about what they want to do. If not - all they have to do is emulate a web browser, pull up a list of your friends, and scan every single one of their email addresses off their profile. If you give Battle.net your Facebook login information, even if it's not easy for them - they can see EVERYTHING you can see.

Add in the ability to check for the application on any friends - solution found - Email + Application based, the best way to make sure they see any and all of their friends that play SC2.

I love the feature. I wouldn't mind if they put in an option to hide the ability to be seen though. [] Don't let other's Facebook see my account.
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Noev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1105 Posts
July 08 2010 19:43 GMT
#80
wow great tip, welcome to TL
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
July 08 2010 19:48 GMT
#81
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.

^This

Just don't use facebook.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
July 08 2010 19:50 GMT
#82
Seeing as no one has tied a SCII game to their bnet account yet, I'd suggest just creating a spam email and false name/address to feed into Blizzard's new system. I realize this probably sucks for people with existing stuff like WoW accounts but all it really means is you need to remember two screennames.

You can also have plenty of fun with your new name and address. Like, say, Mr. Kotick's.
Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
July 08 2010 19:52 GMT
#83
I have question - might sound dumb but still - Iv got different emails for my facebook account(hotmail) and bnet account(gmail).. im not sure but I guess "facebook integration" wont affect people who uses different emails (or?)
Don't worry, zombies eat brains. You're safe
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 08 2010 20:09 GMT
#84
On July 08 2010 18:55 [HB]Mess wrote:
Strange. I never clicked the facebook integration button in StarCraft II, and my account never got integrated. Even though FB and BN use the same email address.

I think someone is trying hard to find something to rage about.


Or nobody on your FB friends list has integrated FB in SC2 and tried to find you and add you thru RealID. That's the issue.
STX Fighting!
ktffang
Profile Joined July 2009
United States120 Posts
July 08 2010 20:56 GMT
#85
its so sad that it's come to this.
7 times dowm, 8 times up
shammythefox
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom286 Posts
July 08 2010 21:22 GMT
#86
On July 07 2010 19:30 Ullis wrote:
I've found a super effective way too.

I don't have facebook.

Never fails.


I found another one.

Don't play starcraft.













A HURR DURR HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
July 16 2010 20:46 GMT
#87
Blizzard just posted about how it works in their latest blog post, it confirms what I explained and shows that my method does in fact work as described. Here's the relevant quote:

Q: What are your plans for Facebook integration?

A:With regard to Facebook, our goal is to help Blizzard gamers on Battle.net more easily connect to their real-life friends and family. For the launch of StarCraft II, we are introducing an optional Facebook friend finder feature to help achieve this goal. The friend finder enables players who decide to use it to easily populate their Battle.net friends list by sending Real ID friend requests to the people on their Facebook friends list who have Battle.net accounts. We hope players will find this feature convenient, but it's completely optional. In the long term, we hope to give players who use Facebook some fun, and also optional, ways to share what they're doing in Blizzard games with their friends, similar to the optional World of Warcraft Armory integration now available, but we don’t have any specific plans to share at present.

Q: How does the friend finder in StarCraft II work? What's sent to Facebook?

A: When you use the Add a Friend feature in StarCraft II, one of the options you’ll see is to search your Facebook friends list for people who also have Battle.net accounts in order to quickly send them Real ID friend requests. When you click this button, you'll be asked to enter your Facebook login information, and you’ll then see a list of your Facebook friends who also have Battle.net accounts. You’ll then have the option to send any of these Facebook friends a Real ID friend request in-game. (Keep in mind that for someone to appear on the list, their Battle.net account email address must match their Facebook email address. In addition, you’ll see the names of any Facebook friends who have registered Battle.net accounts, regardless of whether they have Blizzard games attached to their account or just, for example, created the Battle.net account to make a purchase on the online Blizzard Store.)

It’s important to note that Blizzard Entertainment does not share any personal information with Facebook as part of this process. Keep in mind that as with other Real ID features such as the “friends of friends” list, our goal with the friend finder feature is to create convenient options to help players easily find people they know in real life on Battle.net without having to remember email addresses or account names. We hope players will find the feature easy to use and convenient.


and here's the post: http://beta-us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/21187
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 16 2010 20:51 GMT
#88
well i went cold turkey on facebook 2 years ago and i've never looked back. pretty useless to have hundreds of friends on there when you dont really talk to most. the ~10 people i really care about, i can call them up and actually have a conversation. facebook has too many time consuming distractions for what it was originally designed to do.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
July 30 2010 17:01 GMT
#89
So if I understand this correctly, as long as I have set my email address to be visible to noone except myself on my facebook profile then the facebook integration in SC2 can not see me?
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
July 30 2010 17:11 GMT
#90
I have a related question... how do you change it so that your full name doens't show up next to your bnet name??
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entocheets
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia367 Posts
July 30 2010 18:07 GMT
#91
Only people that add you to their friends list by typing in your e-mail address will see your full name. People who add you by entering your nickname+number code won't see your full name.
AFAIK there's no way to not show your name (you might be able to change it though, in account settings or something)
##creepers 4 lyf
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
July 30 2010 18:29 GMT
#92
hmm ok I didn't know that, thanks
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 30 2010 18:32 GMT
#93
Every time Facebook changes its privacy (and when they redid interests), etc, I take more and more info off my profile. Now my page is basically my name and email address. It's private to basically everyone I've not seen naked.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
July 30 2010 18:38 GMT
#94
I like being able to find friends that play starcraft that I havn't talkd to in a long time. Facebook integration was really good for me, I really applaud Blizzard for this move.

Then again, I don't have much to hide. Most of the stuff that pops up when I search for my name in google are the papers I've published.
Psychopomp
Profile Joined April 2010
United States237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 19:57:07
July 30 2010 19:56 GMT
#95
Oh no, friends of mine who play Starcraft 2 can see that I play Starcraft 2.

This is terrible.
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
July 30 2010 20:04 GMT
#96
What a kindly and useful squid. Welcome to TL.net Regarding your method, done and done!
What is a dickfour?
citricsquid
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom15 Posts
August 01 2010 15:22 GMT
#97
Just thought I'd bump this now the game is live, method still continues to work
TheyCallMeBnet
Profile Joined August 2010
2 Posts
August 10 2010 14:20 GMT
#98
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TheyCallMeBnet
Profile Joined August 2010
2 Posts
August 10 2010 14:46 GMT
#99
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EppE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States221 Posts
August 10 2010 15:41 GMT
#100
Make your facebook email different from your bnet email. Really for account security reasons your b.net email shouldn't be used for anything but b.net.
-infinite-
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-10 17:12:41
August 10 2010 17:12 GMT
#101
Am I missing something? What are people using Facebook for? Do the vast majority of people connect with everybody on the planet and that is why they have absolutely no desire to share their b.net identity?

I stick to only friends and select colleagues as an avenue of keeping in touch. I travel / move around a lot. The b.net integration rocks since I don't have to go around asking everyone for their id.
One shot, one kill. Ready to die but never will.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
August 10 2010 18:54 GMT
#102
question: the name displayed with realID is the b.net name or the facebook name? (mine are different )
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