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Kennigit
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Original Thread
Rule: You must explain each of your choices in detail to promote discussion or you will be warned temp banned. The worst thing with threads like these is they become spam where no one gives a shit what anyone wrote. Reasons. Reasons.
Attack~!
On July 04 2010 04:35 fams wrote:
(NOTE: If mods think this should be deleted, go for it, just thought it might be fun while the beta is down)
Well, the concept is simple, if you had a roster of 5 players (making one of the 5 the team captain) who would fill your roster?
Demonstration:
- Name 1 - reasons
- Name 2 - reasons
- Name 3 - reasons
- Name 4 - reasons
- Name 5 (Captain) - reasons
Any nationality, the team can be mixed, the only restriction is, they need to be a current active player who is playing Starcraft 2. For instance, you cannot have Boxer or Flash, but you CAN have DeMusliM, Maka, etc.
So, who would be on your Starcraft 2 Dreamteam?
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-ReconNine ( Me, because, i'm fucking awesome? :p )
- IdrA - (Do I need to explain this one)
- Maka - ( Arguably the best Terran on asia, he was a practice partner (?)
- TesTer - Won 3 ( maybe 2 tournaments )
- Cool -
- Day[9] (Captain) - (Superior knowledge, the thought hammer has spoken)
The reason why these are my choices is because they have shown how good they are (except Sangho) in the beta (winning tournaments, etc) Personally I think they are the best of the best or very very close to it.
Edit: Was I suppose to post this her? or edit my old post? :/
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-Day[9] (Captain)
-White-Ra
-Tester
-DeMuslim
-Sen
Those are obviously very good players. Every race (Including randome) is represented and I think it is important. I made Day[9] the captain because he has a lot of experience playing starcraft and could lead a team to victory thanks to both his strategic knowledge and his psychology.
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- Good idea for a thread fams
- Great Improvement on in Kennigit <3
Sen - Great play in the tourneys he was in throughout the beta to me he looked like the best zerg in the beta, debatable best player.
Tester - Also great play, especially in the TL invitational, debatable best protoss of beta or best player. Also he would be my captain because of his experience as a coach
Maka- Debatable best terran of beta
White_Ra - Great player throughout the beta with many quality finishes including the HDH win, some would say he was best player of beta.
Idra - Came down to him or Dimaga as they are both great zergs but I don’t like cheaters (Dimaga TSL)
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Tester (P) - Best protoss in the world during the beta, so makes sense.
Idra (Z)- Superb mechanics fit perfectly with his reactionary zerg style.
TLO (R/T) - Excellent creativity and solid mechanics.. predicting he'll be mainly terran post release.
Haypro (Z) Took games of tester and other excellent asian players If i remember right. Probably the strongest non-asian zerg together with Idra and Dimaga.
Nony (P) [Captain] - arguably the best foreign Broodwar player in history. Courage finals at first try, beating Idra at his peak in a bo5, WCG national winner, winnning the last and the biggest foreign SC tournament in history - Pokerstrategy TSL.
Hasn't yet fully commited himself to SC2, but has still shown brilliant play at times and come release I think it'll be foolish to NOT count him as one of the top players.
My picks are based mainly on consistancy and just pure raw skill and commitment to the game. These are all extremely devoted players so I think it'll work well.
You also have alot of extremely wise brainstormers in TLO and nony who can come up with great strats for their team they can use in clan wars etc.
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Ok I'll take the bait again.
Team:
Sen (Z)- He has shown his ability to bounce back from early set backs time and time again. Watch TLO vs Sen of the Kaspersky cup on Scrap Station, it was some of the best crisis management I have ever seen. Sen has also shown how to effectively use Mutas to contain and win ZvT even against "hard counters" such as thors and marines. He's cute \(-_-)/
TLO (T/Z)- One of the few top players that can play random and win matches(if he doesn't get P :D). He seems to have decided to stick with his Z/T though. His creativity is unmatched and his willingness not to call something imbalanced really shows how good a player he is. Towards the end of the beta he was finishing in the top 3 of almost every tournament he entered.
Dimaga (Z)- At every stage of the beta you could ask people for their top 3 Zergs and without a doubt Dimaga would be on that list. He is able to not only play macro games but also come up with creative one base plays that exploit weaknesses in his opponent. I will go so far as to say the best foreign Zerg.
Tester (P) - TL Altitude Cup? GosuCoashing showmatch? While we haven't seen much of Tester, every time we do see him he just dominates so convincingly it actually gives me nightmares. If he says T is overpowered with the way he plays P I really hope he is wrong, otherwise there will be some pain... oh some hard pain.
This last spot is so tight I can't even wrap my mind around who it should be. I have taken it down to Maka vs Cool vs White-ra. Really there's nothing between these 3 players. Maka has shown just how awesome he can play T while Cool has shown his brute force and seemingly unimpressive domination of players at times. Then you get White-ra who just dominated the foreign scene when it came to results at the end. Thus this las spot goes to.... NAZGUL.
Nazgul(Captain/P) - This team needs leadership, who better than the man that founded teamliquid and has kept it going to this day. He is a top of the line player and has shown time and time again that no reaper gets past his probes. I'm not sure how active he has been towards the end of the beta but I'm sure we will see his awesomeness soon enough
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Coach
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/b/bc/Day9.jpg/200px-Day9.jpg)
- Day[9]
He has a good eye for the game outside the game, would definitely be a great support to any team.
Main Team
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/9/99/Nony2.jpg/200px-Nony2.jpg)
- NonY (P) (Captain)
Having played BW at such a high level and actually spending time in Korea, he fits the Captain's seat perfectly. He knows what it takes to compete at a high level and provides a good face for the team.
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/5/53/Sen.png/200px-Sen.png)
- Sen (Z)
Arguably the Jaedong of SC2B, he showed the rest of the world how Zerg can be played at the top. Always looking for ways to be on the offensive, Sen would bring an exciting dynamic to my dream team.
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/c/c1/WhiteRa.png/200px-WhiteRa.png)
- White-Ra (P)
Grandpa Toss brings a level of experience to the table that simply cannot be matched. Deceivingly sharp for his age, this friendly old-timer still plays at a level that most teenagers stand in awe of.
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/f/fb/TheLittleOne.JPG/200px-TheLittleOne.JPG)
- TLO (R/T)
With the ability to play multiple races on the cutting edge, TheLittleOne has an element of surprise that can take other teams off-guard. An impressive showing of ingenuity and skill throughout the Beta secures his spot on my team.
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/3a/Maka.jpg/200px-Maka.jpg)
- Maka (T)
Representing the far-East Coast, Maka proved himself to be the Terran to beat. With incredible macro, he showed the brute strength of Terran across the Asian servers. A true force to be reckoned with, Maka is the best in his class.
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-Sen (Captain) (most consistent player imo)
-Maka (Best terran around)
-Whire-Ra ( Cheese King anyone?)
-TLO ( Most abstract player i have ever seen; Nukes and BCs I mean cmon)
-TesTer (Won the invitational)
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On July 04 2010 07:31 DonKey_ wrote:
-Whire-Ra ( Cheese King anyone?)
This statement implies he is only good because he is able to use cheese effectively consistently but really he can do just about anything. Long macro games, short aggressive games and even mix in some awesome void ray into DT builds. I don't really dig people saying this about the White-ra 
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Tester (P) - Very strong, and every good team needs at least one Korean. He plays standard strategies to a 'T' which provides a consistent backbone for the team to rely on.
Idra (Z)- Awesome mechanics (you will see that this is the theme here) with the perfect amount of BM to really get the aggro on the other team. Should be an opener in most clanwars.
TLO (T) - Creative and more awesome mechanics, reliable to take a game on almost anyone.
Maka (T) - The random (not in race, in playstyle) player of the team, used to go up against the "Flashes" of the world, where you may not be able to win straight up. He always has cheese-esque strategies to throw players off balance and provide an edge, even if his mechanics do tend to slip.
White-Ra (P) [Captain] Best protoss atm, in my book at least, the epitome of consistency. Only choice for captain at this stage of the game.
Anyone choosing Day9 needs to wake up, Day9 is a funny guy who knows his stuff but he is by no means anywhere near the level of the rest of these players.
Edit: If Flash starts playing he is immediately captain and Maka is removed from the team 
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On July 04 2010 07:35 Numy wrote:This statement implies he is only good because he is able to use cheese effectively consistently but really he can do just about anything. Long macro games, short aggressive games and even mix in some awesome void ray into DT builds. I don't really dig people saying this about the White-ra
If i thought he could only cheese I definitely would not have him placed in my top 5, its the fact he can do it so well that I put that as the reason.
btw lets try and keep to the thread topic and not get off on tangents
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- Day[9] (Captain)
Maybe haven't been very competetive yet but has insane amounts of starcraft wisdom and any team is super lucky to have him. Has huge amounts of potential if he starts to play competitively
- sSks -
The korean bulldozer that have dominated several tournaments. His level is only matched by a few players.
- White-Ra
Probably the best player in the beta, and one of the best foreigners in broodwar. Has very consistent play. Knows his weaknesses very well and have tons of experience.
- Sen
Very consistent in his games and knows how to get out from sticky situations.
- TLO
The new kid on the block. Has a lot of unused potential and plays very creatively. With the right coaching he can catch and surpass most of the best players around.
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Coach tester - has experience as a coach
sen - watchin his stream even thou he plays z i think he is really good.
dimaga - playing different and owning
maka - best terran i ve seen so far
white ra - he s just solid
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-Morrow: (T) He is a very strong terran player he got Hella nice Micro/Macro and he is rank 5 at gosugamers
-Jinro: (T) The way Jinro can do harrassment and at the same time defend an attack is just amezing
-Haypro: (Z) I really like his Macro/Micro and he really did a good job in the EU vs Asia he just blew my mind he beat Maka whic is a hella strong asian player
-TLO: (T) he is a very strong player and he always find these crazy ways to do harrassment
WhiteRa: (P) -Captain- he is old he got alot under his belt he knows so many diffrent build orders whic makes him the Godfather of toss
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Liquid`TLO Captain
Best overall player in the beta. Very creative and very entertaining to watch.
NGA.maka
By far the best Terran around.
Tester
Everybody knows he is the best player in SC2 during the beta. Winning major tournaments in and out Korea, he is always expected to reach finals.
Sen
Best Zerg player so far. A very offensive player with his creative playstyle; deadly baneling drops.
Garimto
I don't know much about him but for sure one of my favourite players.
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TLO - I just like his attitude from what I've seen of him interviews. The kind of idea that there is a way and you just need to come up with it. Not to mention he is a superb player. But really, I just like how he thinks about SC2.
Dimaga - Although he's a jerk who didn't follow the rules of an 8 man FFA harvester only fight, he's an amazing player. Every time I see his baneling micro I want to switch to Zerg.
HuK - He's HuK Norris. Great Protoss player with a ton of potential. Seems to grow as a player each time I see him play.
QXC - In my opinion, one of the most solid Terran players out there. He never stops performing and he does a great job at it.
WhiteRa - Arguably the best player in Beta. He makes Protoss seem like a completely new race. Probably my favorite player to watch in SC2.
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TLO Captain
- Simply one of the best players in the game atm. Play's his own style, is really clever in any situation and know's how to handle them, almost all the time. 
IdrA
- Solid and sick Zerg. Nothing fancy, but really impressive playing. I dont find it boring anyhow.
Nony
- Hes almost as creative as TLO, thats why i like him. Especially with the Phoenixes, hes just a beast.
Tester
- Nothing to say here. One of the best players at this moment.
Jinro
- Beasty terran! I just like his playing style.
Backups (not explaining these)
Maka
White-Ra
Demuslim
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On July 04 2010 07:31 DonKey_ wrote:
-Sen (Captain) (most consistent player imo)
-Maka (Best terran around)
-Whire-Ra ( Cheese King anyone?)
-TLO ( Most abstract player i have ever seen; Nukes and BCs I mean cmon)
-TesTer (Won the invitational)
same roster here, but with Tester as captain
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2ovZ0.jpg)
The core of this team is the Eastern European triforce, Dimaga + Brat_OK + White-Ra. They each play their respective race to perfection, and from what I understand are all great friends too, which is sure to benefit if they had to play together competitively. Led by the other European powerhouse, TLO, this could be a great team.
(Z) Dimaga: Zerg macro machine, the one who Idra himself gets his stuff from. Very strong player.
(P) White-Ra: Not much needs to be said, he's incredibly good. Takes a strategy, sticks to it, makes it perfect.
(T) Brat_OK: Extremely solid mechanics and very adaptable play. Fun to watch, but also very successful.
(P) Tester: The other Power Protoss. Wins consistently, he's proven himself a highly competitive player many times over.
(T) TheLittleOne - Captain: The creativity and deep game understanding he brings to the table makes him invaluable as both a player and team captain. His skill and genuine likability would make him the cornerstone of the team.
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Are you people forgeting Cool for some reason or you just went with Tester and Maka to follow everyone else? (They are really good and I could probably put them both in my team too but I find it wierd that they are in almost all teams and theres no love for Cool. He won a tournament with them both you know? WC anyone?)
So my team would be one from each race (including Random) plus Dimaga because everytime he played in a tournament this beta my admiration for his skills got bigger.
Here we go
Zerg: Cool, Dimaga - Cool won the WC and played like a machine. His style is good and he showed dominance. Dimaga for the reasons stated abova. If it wasnt for the ban his facing he could have had a bigger role and some more wins in the beta.
Terran: Maka - If you want to see mech perfection or if you just like to see T winning look no further.
Protoss: White Ra - Hard to pick this one (Tester and Nazgul were in debate too). I went with White Ra over Tester because everyone was picking Tester and I think WR has done well in the beta and played well in every important match so far. He would be the captain!
Random: TLO - Creativity, innovation, wins a lot and shows great potential. I could keep going but everyone knows TLO and knows his play his really strong.
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IDRA-he's a macro beast and in his matches against Nony in the HDH he very convincingly showed how to play macro zerg and how to overwhelm your opponent
TLO-his creativity has been unmatched and he is one of the most exciting player to watch, while still proving to be a very formidable opponent. also his ability to play random really shows his game knowledge
WHITERA-he has shown his ability to win tournaments time and time again in the beta and other than TESTER appears to be the best protoss player
TESTER-Captain-although we have not seen him much he very solidly defeated idra and whitera in the TL altitude invitational.....arguably best protoss/best beta player
MAKA-very strong terran player, and i needed a terran player and maka fit the role and is perhaps one of the best players of the beta
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- (T) CowGoMoo - was the best terran in the game at the beginning of the beta, just a monster in general (apparently he worked for blizzard; who say's blizz employee's suck? :D) - then he disappeared
- (Z) KingHillBilly - this MFer showed us how the infestor did business early beta, think he even made "news" early beta and easily another amazing player - went back to WC2
- (Z) Oversky  - we all ran like school girls early beta for his replays, was just dominating #1 for so long - where did he go?
- (P) ReSpOnSe (think I messed up his name) - he showed us why PvP was broken early beta, easily one of the unknown top players who put some of the top players in their place (Louder, etc...) - just came back at the end of beta (left at the beginning/first half)
- (Z) Dimaga - Captain - tournament winner, enough said
+ Show Spoiler +
/facepalm at all the 2nd half of the beta names people are choosing (same ole` shit) - no offense
I would of added nazgul, but he's just been good overall
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IdrA (captain) - What is there to say about the guy that hasn't already been said. Incredible macro player that has proven his dominance countless times.
White-Ra - Humble Protoss powerhouse who arguably has been the best beta competitor thus far at 89 years of age
Dimaga - Solid Zerg player. Very consistent and creative.
Artosis - Not only can he tell you how to be a great SC2 player, he can display it on a regular basis.
Machine - Promising young Zerg player, and has been my favorite to watch since the beta began.
Yeah I know what your thinking..... 4 Zerg players? These are the 5 guys that come to mind when I think of the 5 best players so far. O and did I say I hate Terran? Lol Im still waiting to see a IdrA, Drewbie, Orb, Joseki, (?) super bad manner team
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On July 04 2010 09:09 Merikh wrote:- (T) CowGoMoo - was the best terran in the game at the beginning of the beta, just a monster in general (apparently he worked for blizzard; who say's blizz employee's suck? :D) - then he disappeared - (Z) KingHillBilly - this MFer showed us how the infestor did business early beta, think he even made "news" early beta and easily another amazing player - went back to WC2 - (Z) Oversky - we all ran like school girls early beta for his replays, was just dominating #1 for so long - where did he go? - (P) ReSpOnSe (think I messed up his name) - he showed us why PvP was broken early beta, easily one of the unknown top players who put some of the top players in their place (Louder, etc...) - just came back at the end of beta (left at the beginning/first half) - (Z) Dimaga - Captain - tournament winner, enough said + Show Spoiler +
/facepalm at all the 2nd half of the beta names people are choosing (same ole` shit)
I would of added nazgul, but he's just been good overall
I totally agree with you about Response. I wouldn't put him in my top 5, but he is a very good overlooked player
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On July 04 2010 09:09 Merikh wrote:- (T) CowGoMoo - was the best terran in the game at the beginning of the beta, just a monster in general (apparently he worked for blizzard; who say's blizz employee's suck? :D) - then he disappeared - (Z) KingHillBilly - this MFer showed us how the infestor did business early beta, think he even made "news" early beta and easily another amazing player - went back to WC2 - (Z) Oversky - we all ran like school girls early beta for his replays, was just dominating #1 for so long - where did he go? - (P) ReSpOnSe (think I messed up his name) - he showed us why PvP was broken early beta, easily one of the unknown top players who put some of the top players in their place (Louder, etc...) - just came back at the end of beta (left at the beginning/first half) - (Z) Dimaga - Captain - tournament winner, enough said + Show Spoiler +
/facepalm at all the 2nd half of the beta names people are choosing (same ole` shit)
I would of added nazgul, but he's just been good overall
KHB and CowGoMoo are such good players. I would really like to see more of them.
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On July 04 2010 09:09 Merikh wrote:
/facepalm at all the 2nd half of the beta names people are choosing (same ole` shit)
I would of added nazgul, but he's just been good overall
Well, you yourself chose your captain based on competitive results. Your team has very few accomplishments! But I'd probably choose my team the same way -- by looking for potential in players as opposed to hard results. Most people are going to pick winning players for their team and I can't blame them. Saying that they're "2nd half of the beta names" is kinda a bad description. Tons of tournaments, many with significant prize money, were being rolled out toward the end of the beta. The people who were able to consistently get results through many patches and against a variety of opponents deserve more respect than the people who were able to find an imbalanced build (that would later get patched) and abuse it or dominate the ladder with the metagame or dominate the ladder because they're a Blizzard employee (no offense to CowGoMoo's skills, but come on that's a pretty unfair advantage haha). Well, really no offense to anyone on your list, but like you said they pretty much all went inactive so it's difficult to judge. Basically what I'm trying to say is that there was much more material to judge in the second half of beta than in the first half. And if you take players' absence from the game as one of their qualities, then of course you wouldn't want that player on your dream team. One second you'll have 5 people on your team and the next second you'll have 1. Not very dreamy!
I'd make a list but I'm bound to offend someone because five spots aren't enough =] So obviously the dream team is
Nazgul (captain)
NonY
TLO
Jinro
Haypro
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On July 04 2010 08:51 panther1389 wrote:
IDRA-he's a macro beast and in his matches against Nony in the HDH he very convincingly showed how to play macro zerg and how to overwhelm your opponent
TLO-his creativity has been unmatched and he is one of the most exciting player to watch, while still proving to be a very formidable opponent. also his ability to play random really shows his game knowledge
WHITERA-he has shown his ability to win tournaments time and time again in the beta and other than TESTER appears to be the best protoss player
TESTER-Captain-although we have not seen him much he very solidly defeated idra and whitera in the TL altitude invitational.....arguably best protoss/best beta player
MAKA-very strong terran player, and i needed a terran player and maka fit the role and is perhaps one of the best players of the beta
Pretty much this except I would swap Sen for TLO. He's been around the Starcraft scene for so long that his experience has helped him fine tune his mechanics and develop an amazing sense of gameplay.
Idra (Z)
Sen(Z)
White-Ra (P)
Tester (P)
Maka (T)
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On July 04 2010 09:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 09:09 Merikh wrote:
/facepalm at all the 2nd half of the beta names people are choosing (same ole` shit)
I would of added nazgul, but he's just been good overall Well, you yourself chose your captain based on competitive results. Your team has very few accomplishments! But I'd probably choose my team the same way -- by looking for potential in players as opposed to hard results. Most people are going to pick winning players for their team and I can't blame them. Saying that they're "2nd half of the beta names" is kinda a bad description. Tons of tournaments, many with significant prize money, were being rolled out toward the end of the beta. The people who were able to consistently get results through many patches and against a variety of opponents deserve more respect than the people who were able to find an imbalanced build (that would later get patched) and abuse it or dominate the ladder with the metagame or dominate the ladder because they're a Blizzard employee (no offense to CowGoMoo's skills, but come on that's a pretty unfair advantage haha). Well, really no offense to anyone on your list, but like you said they pretty much all went inactive so it's difficult to judge. Basically what I'm trying to say is that there was much more material to judge in the second half of beta than in the first half. And if you take players' absence from the game as one of their qualities, then of course you wouldn't want that player on your dream team. One second you'll have 5 people on your team and the next second you'll have 1. Not very dreamy! I'd make a list but I'm bound to offend someone because five spots aren't enough =] So obviously the dream team is Nazgul (captain) NonY TLO Jinro Haypro
Truth, I completely agree. I think I worded it badly, but what I meant by my statement was no one looked at anyone as "good" until later stages of the beta, and I just don't like the repeat 5-6 people constantly showing up even if they are amazing ^^. + Show Spoiler +(I had to space your shit out xD wall of text) PS is that Team Liquid I see!!! :D
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1. Sen (Z)
-Very intelligent and adaptive player. Amazing playstyle, good results so far with only more potential ahead. Sen is a fucking beast. He also has his own style, and it works for him. He will be tough to practice for. Easily the best Zerg in terms of his style and how he makes it work. He mindfucks his opponents.
2. TesteR (P) (Captain)
-Barbarian Protoss enters SC2 and realizes there is no 'Defenders Advantage' like there was in BW. Barbarian Protoss proceeds to rape nerds faces off everywhere and pillage....he is captain because of his extensive progaming experience but more importantly his coaching experience building up eSTRO's P lineup.
3. Maka (T)
-Very solid and strong Terran player, no apparent weaknesses. He has varied styles and strategies that he can employ. Good mechanics and micro/macro. He is just a very good player...not much more to say here.
4. Ace (P)
-Baller as FUCK. Very good strategist. Does crazy shit but is also a fundamentally solid player, although his fundamentals aren't at the top of the top level right now I believe they will catch up to his mind. With training he has a lot of potential to be the LOLTOSS that everyone loves to see.
5. Dimaga (Z)
-Only non-asian, but not a token one. Remember when IdrA praised Dimaga? That's because the kid knows that no matter how many 22 hour days he puts in he cant have the skill that Dimaga possesses. Playing at the top level in the world with a creative style as zerg is not easy, not easy at all. Dimaga has solid macro and rarely if ever slips. He has very good ZvP and ZvT.
Honorable Mention
NonY (ok honestly NonY >> ACE but ill stick with my team)
Freedom
Idra
White-Ra
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My team would be as follows:
Captain: Nony - Great all-around player, been in it for years, and knows what it takes to be a top-level player, also I think Nony would just be a great captain in general.
IdrA - I like his Zerg play, and despite how he may have played in BW, his performance in the Beta has been quite good. Also he is an anchor between NA/EU play-styles and Korean play-style as he's lived there for some time now.
White-Ra - Quite simply a no-brainer here, one of the oldest and most experience players in the game today and shows very powerful Protoss play.
QXC - One of the best Terrans out there right now, he plays good consistent MUs and does well versus all the races. Also has good creative play at times, and one of the strongest MMM pushes we've seen.
Jinro - The other beast Terran, has a different style than QXC, and if this team were to ever exist the two of them would work very well together in the practice room, and complement each other. Solid all-around player, and isn't new to RTS by any means.
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Well, here would be my North America team(Just to put a little twist on things). Ya I know NA sucks at BW but I think we might see a lot better players coming out from North America in SC2(At least this is my hope).
qxc(Terran) - Beastly terran player. I was just blown away by how much thought he puts into all his builds. Very methodical and calm in all situations
Huk(Protoss) - Strong up and coming protoss player. Definately has the drive to be great.
Idra(Zerg)(he counts as NA right?) - Love him or hate him his play is solid as hell. People say he is weak to cheese but watching his sc2 tourniment play that does not seem to be the case. If anything people that try to cheese Idra in SC2 usually seem to lose.
Machine(Zerg) - Another up and coming player. Has show very solid play especially against white-ra.
Nony(Protoss) - Nony has had his ups and downs in the SC2 beta. However, I think if he put his mind to SC2 he would be an absolute monster.
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Tester (Toss, Captain) - Beastly skill and experience. Strong tourney performance, coaching experience, this guy has everything needed to lead the dream team.
Sen (Zerg) - Creative, aggressive with the ability to school many of the top players in the world I don't see any dream team being complete without him. Also very calm and collected in tourneys.
Jupiter (Terran) - Super creative and aggressive Korean player with a ton of potential and promise. His TvZ and TvT MU's are in particular very strong and in the team atmosphere will flourish into a really top player.
Maka (Terran) - Very strong strategically and creatively. Has a few inconsistency/tilt issues that I would get the rest of the team to help him on but overall a super strong player.
Lucifron (Terran) - Very strong potent player that has a long history of reliable tourney results and play in general. Definitely a player that will perform in the long term.
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All Australian~!!!!
- Moonglade - Pretty much undisputed aus #1 atm
- Azz - Only Australian to do well in any international tournament
- Deth - Only real australian terran
- Shuffle - Mainly cos everyone else i thought of putting here is protoss and having three protoss seemed dirty ;o
- Pinder (Captain) - This guys pretty amazing at everything including life in general, practically a role model for everyone.
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  White-Ra: I would have White-Ra on my Team because of his solid understanding of the Game, but he also is not afraid to play off the beaten track and cheese every once in a while which would keep his opponents on his toes, but if they over anticipate for a cheese and you didn't do one they are forced to do a build in Where they would have good protection in the early game but MaY cripple their late Game strat.
  Sen: I would have to pick Sen to be one of the Team mates that you Just can't count out Ever in a Game. It seems like Sen to me has a great understanding of situations that are happening in the Game and he makes a bunch of WickeD comebacks.
Liquid`TLO: I would have TLO on the Team because the opponent can't Really pick anyone that is Super good against every single matchup. Since TLO plays random (and every race very solidly) the opponent's can't get the best person for the matchup. Also TLO has the renown reputation for doing these Super creative "cheese" builds that Just catch his opponents way off gaurd.
  IdrA: IdrA would be a good addition to this Team Just because of his Super perseverance. He seems like the member of the Team who will Just continue to get better and better than everyone else because of his sheer will to play the Game and find out all the games little nooks and cranies.
Day[9] (Captain): Day[9] would be the perfect coach for this Team. Sean's absurd amount of knowledge of Starcraft doesn't exactly train him to be the best player in the Game, not by any Sense of the word. But this does mean that he will be able to share his information and analysis with these other Super strong solid progamers. Bolstering these spectacle of players would Just make this Team the best in the Game.
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Idra - I love his play and how hes already at 150 supply by the time his opponent is just reaching 100 supply, plus he kinda looks like my sister's boyfriend.
Sen - He is a ridiculous zerg from what i saw in the Europe vs Asia showmatch. He is a korean in a taiwanese body.
Tester (Captain) - He is extremely elite. Best protoss out there. He also is the captain of his own team so he has experience
White-Ra - Alot of experience. He wins everything in the western scene.
TLO - I think Maka is overrated, and qxc, cauthonluck, and jinro aren't that high caliber atm. TLO is awesome so he is here.
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Let's do it:
- Tester (P) - Very comfortable with standard games and reactionary play. Extremely strong protoss, arguably the best P in the world. Former progamer, so practice habits are probably very impressive.
- Dimaga (Z) - Great player all around. Shows he can work magic under pressure, and I have a feeling he's just waiting for release to stomp everyone into the ground. The maker of the baneling bust is just waiting to show his latest and greatest build at release.
- Maka (T) - Ridiculous terran. I believe that Terran has the highest skill cap in sc2, and this guy is trying to get there asap. Get wrecked.
- Sen (Z) - Great consistent zerg. Makes builds work against hard counters, excellent crisis management, solid macro.
- White-Ra (Captain - P) - Are you kidding me? This guy is an absolute legend, and he's building his legacy (of the void) in starcraft 2. Very very impressive player, very good decision making. Another player that I think is just starting to warm up. Aside from that, he's a great organizer and supporter of sc events in europe, and with his experience he can lead an esports team into success worthy of his reputation.
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- White-Ra (P) (Captain) The guy is the most wisest of them all. If you ever feel down this person would know what type of advice to give since he might have experience everything that is need to be experience in life. This would have been a close call between Day[9] and White-Ra but I choose White Ra since he won a lot of tournaments.
- Nony (P) - well what can I say? he is the best of the best in the foreign scene, if he didn't sacrifice his pro gaming career in Korea I think he would possibly be an A - Class player in the OSL, MSLs.
- IdrA (Z) - currently the best player when it comes to mechanics, you can't out play him straight up. You have to go for some cheese/gimmicky or a very creative BO that would counter his. I'd like him to be a little more creative with his game.
- Strelok (T) - This guy is so underrated but a very scary competitor, been looking at his games in Youtube and he has the necessary creative BO's for terran. I'd expect much more from this person.
- Sen (Z) Of course, who wouldn't like a player such as sen. Almost undefeated in every tournament his like 80 percent win rate yes? You'd always like to have the best player in roster
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Tester - Arguably the best reactionary Toss out there. No matter what the opponent throw at this kid, he always seems to have the perfect mixture of units to deal with them. Kind of hard to beat someone when nothing you throw at him works.
White-Ra (Captain)- Of all the toss player out there, White-Ra seems to be the one most comfortable with taking think to late game. However, his tendency to mixed in cheese and timing attack mixed in with standard play makes it hard for player to predict what he is doing and thus making him all that more dangerous. Being the oldest out of all my 5 players and oh so lovable. Whilte-Ra would make the best captain cause it is so hard for anyone to hate the dude when he whipping the rest of the team into shape.
Nony - I know this is mostly fanboy talking, but I truly believed that Nony would be the best SC2 player right now if it wasn't for him putting schooling a higher priority (as he should). Furthermore, Nony seems to understand the timing window better than anyone else almost always attack at the worst possible time for his enemy.
Idra - Being a dedicated SC2 progamer for CJ and practically being paid to do nothing but practice and getting better and better in SC2, it would be pretty silly for anyone not to put him in their team. Overall, Idra have the best combination of both macro and micro right now, it would be pretty stupid for anyone to try and fight in a straight up battle.
Machine - Although machine haven't achieve much in to put him on the same level as the first 4. What attract me to machine is his absolutely superb macro. Hell, I might even go as far as to say his macro might be even better than Idra. All Machine need to do to make him be a force to be reckon with is to be more change his gameplay a bit to be less predictable and more refined micro.
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Tester - P - Captain
Personally haven't seen much of this guy but from what I HAVE seen, he's an extremely strong player, excellent gameplay and knows his stuff. Had read he was a progamer/coach also so gave him the position of being captain.
Maka - T
Also haven't seen much of Maka compared to the others but as soon as I watched him play I thought he is the best terran I've seen.
Nony - P
One of my favourite players, enjoy watching him play, showed that my favourite unit (phoenix) are viable and overall a very strong player.
Sen - Z
My favourite zerg player, seems to handle panic situations in a calm manner and overcomes it easily, then proceeding to roll over his opponent.
Dimaga - Z
Also a strong zerg player with great macro and a fun playing style to watch.
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The Dream Team:
(In No Particular Order)
Zerg Players:
(Z) IdrA: Fairly predictable but an extremely hard worker with excellent fundamental and absolutely pristine play.*
(Z) Machine: great up and coming Zerg player with lots of creativity. Was very successful in BroodWar and is simply a Nice guy. (I really respect all the EG guys for their hard work, massive skills, and great attitudes!)
(Z) Sen: Very creative Zerg player who has shown himself to be the one who maybe understands his match-ups better than just about anyone else in beta thus far.*
(Z) Jaedong: Best BroodWar Zerg in the world right now... Nuff said. His muta micro truly is a sight to behold.
(Z) Effort: He is probably the second best Zerg in BroodWar at the moment and is the only player to ever win over Flash in a way that impresses me.
Protoss Players:
(P) TeSteR: Simply an excellent Korean protoss player with great mechanics and fundamentals. He has mastered the basic Protoss strategies so far and has had some pretty big successes like winning Gosucoaching #2.
(P) WhiteRa: Creative player who knows how to cheese well and does frequently. Solid mechanics and has LOTS of experience from BroodWar.*
(P) iNcontroL: great man with an excellent attitude and a passion for teaching others. He is truly creative player with some of the best mechanics and fundamentals in the beta. If there's anyone in the beta whom I respect, its iNcontroL.
Terran Players:
(T) Flash: He will be THE bonjwa to end all. Terran was truly the master race in BroodWar and I think it is still the best in StarCraft II. He is the master, plain and simple.
(T) LzGamer: Amazing Terran player with some serious balls. This man is powerful in StarCraft II and he's not afraid to be creative. Also one of the nicest guys around!
Random Players:
(R) TheLittleOne: Incredible creativity and probably the best player in beta we know of right now...*
(R) TheBigOne: Brother of and is a great BroodWar player. Brothers unite!
(R) Tasteless: Starcraft II commentator in Korea (Fingers crossed that he'll commentate StarCarft II for GomTV) and brother of Day[9]. Brothers unite! (Again lol) great player in his right who has an uncanny ability to out meta-game his opponents.
(Captain) (R) Day[9]: Amazing teacher with more passion and heart for the future of StarCraft than anyone. Also, he's the guru of knowledge. We affectionately call this man of many talents Dr. Plott. A powerful player in his own right, who better to lead the dream team!?
*- Denotes the top 4 beta players currently in the world.
That's the dream team folks!
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Spirit_moon (captain) from wc3 - hes God incarnate in RTS... give him 2 or 3 months after launch, this guy will lead you to victory, 5th race in wc3, I believe he'll be the xel-naga of SC2.. his innovation of strategies can rival that of boxer - having first hand experience with him from wc3, i know that he is genuinely a nice guy and has good leadership qualities from mentoring me short-term.
Sen - I have never seen anybody use 6 lings as effectively as this kid, his micro is good, even with "expendible units" such as lings...
Tester - His protoss is extremely solid and innovative. Let's not get into his pro-asian micro....
brat_ok - this kid's Terran is very innovative, the times i have met him on the battlefield were definately scary...
myself - hey, its a dream team right? of course i would want to be a part of it. while i certainly am not arrogant or narcisistic enough to say that i am better or as good as these guys, i have certainly "held my own" against him in custom and ladder games with top-tier players... besides, even if i lose, i would have all the knowledge and experience to learn from with this team... it would be an awesome experience
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On July 04 2010 07:29 jamesr12 wrote:
- Good idea for a thread fams
- Great Improvement on in Kennigit <3
Sen - Great play in the tourneys he was in throughout the beta to me he looked like the best zerg in the beta, debatable best player.
Tester - Also great play, especially in the TL invitational, debatable best protoss of beta or best player. Also he would be my captain because of his experience as a coach
Maka- Debatable best terran of beta
White_Ra - Great player throughout the beta with many quality finishes including the HDH win, some would say he was best player of beta.
Idra - Came down to him or Dimaga as they are both great zergs but I don’t like cheaters (Dimaga TSL)
did dimaga cheat? how did dimaga cheat?
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On July 04 2010 17:08 December12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 07:29 jamesr12 wrote:
- Good idea for a thread fams
- Great Improvement on in Kennigit <3
Sen - Great play in the tourneys he was in throughout the beta to me he looked like the best zerg in the beta, debatable best player.
Tester - Also great play, especially in the TL invitational, debatable best protoss of beta or best player. Also he would be my captain because of his experience as a coach
Maka- Debatable best terran of beta
White_Ra - Great player throughout the beta with many quality finishes including the HDH win, some would say he was best player of beta.
Idra - Came down to him or Dimaga as they are both great zergs but I don’t like cheaters (Dimaga TSL)
did dimaga cheat? how did dimaga cheat?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108352
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Maka(t) - Solid macro play backed up by the ability to cheese effectively at a moments notice.
Pancreas(t) - Did you see what this guy did to Cool with ghosts? If you did you'd understand why hes on my all terran dream team.
QXC(t, captain) - This guy does terrible terrible damage and he does it a lot. Its hard to look at the upcoming tourney brackets and not see his name everywhere, this player wont leave you hanging.
Brat_Ok(t) - Every team needs an Ivan Drago
LzGamer(t) - For sticking to his guns in the tvz mech debate. I <3 you LZ!
+ Show Spoiler +did I mention I love terran?
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Coach - Hwanni: His experience back the eStro team magnament, as well as his hardcore playing on the beta, cold be great on a team.
Tester - The best Beta player so far, and the strongest protoss player out there.
White-Ra - He almost arrived the finals in any tournament where he played on, and won the HDH invitational, he deserves this place.
Sen - Amazing micro magnament, able to keep the pressure all the time and ride on it, great zerg player .
Maka - Comming from WC3 really strong terran player, and I would say Lucifron too, if he would keep playing nowadays ,inactive in the last beta phases.
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WhiteRa - Most consistend player of the beta imo
Dimaga - Best Zerg i've seen so far imo
Tester - maybe the best sc2 player atm
TLO - Nice streak of him at the end of the beta
Idra - living as pro gamer in korea.... "good" chances to improve to one of the best players (eventhough he is already very good)
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1. White-Ra
One of the most consistent and solid players of the beta. Always placing high in tournaments and preforming with a variety of good builds. Has taken games off all the best players.
2. Cool[Fou] (Fruitseller)
One of the strongest asian zergs around winning the " Kaspersky World Cup" where he beat dimaga in the finals among other good players.
3. Sen (Captain.)
Proven he is an absolute beast and imo the best player of sc2 right now defeating people such as TLO with creative and agressive style, but also showing amazing defensive capabilties. Versatile and wins a lot to prove it. Also extremely intelligent. Doesn't blindly play agressive or defensive he knows what he's doing.
4. TheLittleOne
Performs well but not quite the best of the other players, still shows incredible potential with his ability to play all races and come up with interesting [not just all-in stuff, solid, thought out a lot of planning] builds.
5. TesteR
Crushing faces right now. Although i think he was knocked out by Haypro, he demolished White-Ra and Idra with solid yet creative builds to win the recent TL tournaments.
Close but no Cigar:
Idra:
Solid but shows little interesting play and tends to lose to the current top players, even if he can destroy lesser ones.
Dimaga:
Amazing player but seems a little inconsistent and sometimes just tries some early game build like burrow roach or baneling bust or other styles that are cool but never seem to work out.
Huk:
Gets good results but it never seems like he is an amazing player himself. Usually using really strong builds such as void rays or DTs on blistering sands and seems to catch his opponents offguard. The American version of Naniwa.
Jinro:
Still seems to be experimenting to find good styles for him and also seems to get nerve problems in important games.
Nazgul; Really solid but seems to be less active in placing highly in tournaments.
Brat_OK: Looks to be improving but I didn't seem him play enough to be sure.
Nony: Hasn't played enough yet and it seems mechanical play is a bit trickier to get down when the games still new.
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On July 04 2010 14:13 GobIin wrote:
Idra - I love his play and how hes already at 150 supply by the time his opponent is just reaching 100 supply, plus he kinda looks like my sister's boyfriend.
Sen - He is a ridiculous zerg from what i saw in the Europe vs Asia showmatch. He is a korean in a taiwanese body.
Tester (Captain) - He is extremely elite. Best protoss out there. He also is the captain of his own team so he has experience
White-Ra - Alot of experience. He wins everything in the western scene.
TLO - I think Maka is overrated, and qxc, cauthonluck, and jinro aren't that high caliber atm. TLO is awesome so he is here.
Ah there it is, the first guy who posted a team that I would also consider my dream team - followed by BiG's team because deciding who to pick between the trio of dimaga/idra/sen is really really hard cause they are all so good. Maybe I'd also just choose against dimaga cause of the TSL thing. I think idra has achieved the least out of those three so far? (cant think of much other than HD/Husky (which admittedly was kinda the biggest one though,certainly out of the non-korean/chinese ones)) but if we think about the future he's the one living on a pro team and his skill will increase way faster once other CJ players start playing SC2.
Also I agree about Maka, I dont like his style that much and the way he loses games because of overly aggressive playstyle. I don't think people will consider him the best terran for that much longer. (I might turn out to be wrong of course)
Something that would be a problem in this team though would be picking a captain, wouldnt exactly be great to have a captain that doesnt speak the language that any of the others do.
If it was just about players I like the most because they just seem likeable/their playstyle is fun it would be
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TLO (obvious reasons, also we live in the same city)
Nony (PHOENIXES)
Sen (such a baller ingame and such a nice person judging by what I've seen/heard of him)
Jinro (Quite possibly the player who cares the least about what the current trends are and just does his own fun to watch style)
Nazgul (TL godfather, sick sentry usage)
Wow, that wasnt even on purpose that 4/5 of these are from TL.
Hah thats pretty funny.
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Sen - Great play in the tourneys he was in throughout the beta to me he looked like the best zerg in the beta, debatable best player.
Tester - Also great play, especially in the TL invitational, debatable best protoss of beta or best player. Also he would be my captain because of his experience as a coach
TLO - Huge creativity potential, can bring a lot of ideas to the team
WhiteRa - Great player throughout the beta with many quality finishes including the HDH win, some would say he was best player of beta.
Idra - Great macro, and multitasking, good understanding of the game, of what works and not.
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I'd be happier to do this when SC2 is not in beta, and already has well developed competitive scene. But here's what I'd pick as of Beta Phase 1:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) Sen ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/8b/Tw.png) - he has merciless zerg style, which is so efficient that makes very simple builds look unbeatable.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Maka ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png) - proven his top terran status on the Asian server, where zerg dominates.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) Tester - he has demonstrated his world rank in a few tournaments, where he's been crushing other great players with ease.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ricon_small.png) TLO ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/8f/De.png) - with desire to experiment and skills to make it worth, he has yet to develop in the future years, and he'd be very helpful teammate to prepare original strats with.
White-Ra ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/2/2b/Ua.png) (![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/captain.png) ) - experienced and resilient, he never gives up and seeks the victory against all odds, which is invaluable quality for a captain to bring to a team.
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Tester- Captain- Very strong Protoss player who was impressive in the TLI. Captain because he has coaching experience with ESTRO.
Cool- Possibly the top Korean player with the victory in the 17173 World Cup. Very powerful and aggressive playstyle.
Sen- Impressive Zerg with victories over White-ra and TLO. Nice creative 1 base Muta play.
Maka- Powerful terran player who can use multiple styles. Has done well in numerous tournaments and could be the best terran player atm.
White-ra- Impressive victories in the HDH and other tournaments. Combines a strong macro style with occasional cheese to catch opponents off guard. Lots of experience that will help him.
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Captain: Tester - Arguably the strongest player in the world and definitely the strongest protoss. He was an eStro A-team Protoss and lives amongst some of the biggest names in the sc2 beta (thewind, cool, ensnare to name a few). His first US tournament appearance in the Gosu Coaching weekly gave us a peak at the sheer power of the top Asia players. He dropped 0 games on his way to the top easily smashing Slush who is considered top 3 zerg in the USA. Later his dominance through the Altitude Invitational showed he is even a step above the biggest name in US/EU whitera. I really doubt he will be knocked off of his protoss throne unless another strong scbw player cough*Sangho*cough takes Sc2 seriously.
Cool- Probably the best zerg in the world and also a contender for the strongest player overall. He took the 17173.com Cup 1st place finishing over the biggest names in the world. Another powerful SCBW progamer turned sc2 player. His dismantling of Maka in the 17173.com semifinal made me a huge fan and his clutch 4-3 victory over Dimaga in the final showed great will.
White-ra- Almost certainly the best EU player around and winner of several tournaments. He is super popular among the foreign scene and overall just a baller.
Dimaga- Best EU zerg and another force to be reckoned with. He showed he is not far behind the Asia scene by falling only in the final of the 17173.com 3-4 to Cool. He is also one of the very few Idra considered to be legitimately good in scbw as he mentioned in his TSL interview.
TLO- Lastly is our liquid superstar thelittleone. Creative at heart and an overall dynamic player. He is able to keep pace with all the matchups as a random player and shows astounding games everytime he plays. My biggest thoughts are on what is to become of this beast once he actually concentrates on a single race.
Other Thoughts:- I really wanted Idra in here but I didn't want 2 Asia server zergs. I kept Dimaga in because of his 17173.com performance. No terrans since none of them have really impressed me that much. I haven't seen Ensnare play and all I've seen from Maka is stupid 1 base stuff. Things along the lines of 3 barracks marine + medivac and 2 barracks + tank. When they get defended he loses.
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Tester deserves the respect he is getting here, but he came second to Cool in a PlayXP tournament (the largest offline tournament to date) and Cool also won the World Cup. So, he deserves some more recognition.
not surprising that the two players who had (have?) progamer licenses are the best
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Sen - Every team needs a zerg and Sen is the best zerg and maybe the best player right now so an obvious choice for me.
DeMusliM - One of the best terrans with a great potential of being the best. I'm probably being biased because he's also English but I'd pick him because, as he recently decided to move to Germany, he's obviously deadly serious about becoming professional in his gaming career.
White-Ra - The most popular European and maybe the best protoss player in the world. Extremely mannered and experienced so again an easy choice.
TesTeR - He attended a few top Korean events and was incredibly successful. He's the most impressive Korean protoss and arguably the best protoss in the world.
TLO (Captain) - The man's a genious. Strategically superior to most top players, his knowledge would help the team so much. He's also extremely popular in Europe so he's the perfect morale booster and he's one of my favourite players of the beta.
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