On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
I'm implying no such thing as a bw player myself, over the years ive come across nothing but macro oriented players is all. The korean teams we root for here on TL have the most interesting play because they play different from most of us foreigners, which is a more macro style(from what I've faced on iccup/tournament). So it is very nice too see these 2 gamers go at it from different backgrounds.
I've only ever play wc3 for a year, bw for 2 years, I myself am an aggressive player. Only thing I am implying is that wc3 players and korean progamers have more creative innovative way of playing.
On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
He was just backlashing at the people saying SC > War3, you shouldn't take it too hard Anyways, people that say SC players > WC3 players (especially NOW, where the game hasn't been out long enough to even say who's gonna be a good player or not ) are ridiculous. Both games have similarities and differences, and even though I do think WC3 players are maybe in general not as good as SC players right now because of the way more macro-heavy play style, I don't think this advantage will last long, so we'll see how things are after the game has been out a bit longer.
On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
He was just backlashing at the people saying SC > War3, you shouldn't take it too hard Anyways, people that say SC players > WC3 players (especially NOW, where the game hasn't been out long enough to even say who's gonna be a good player or not ) are ridiculous. Both games have similarities and differences, and even though I do think WC3 players are maybe in general not as good as SC players right now because of the way more macro-heavy play style, I don't think this advantage will last long, so we'll see how things are after the game has been out a bit longer.
I actaully feel sc is harder than wc3 naturally as ive been playing for quite some time, im not backlashing anyone, Im saying exactly what you said, wc3 gamers aren't as good right now, sc is a much more complexed game to pick up vs wc3. So i agree with you for the most part besides the backlashing (–_–)
On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
He was just backlashing at the people saying SC > War3, you shouldn't take it too hard Anyways, people that say SC players > WC3 players (especially NOW, where the game hasn't been out long enough to even say who's gonna be a good player or not ) are ridiculous. Both games have similarities and differences, and even though I do think WC3 players are maybe in general not as good as SC players right now because of the way more macro-heavy play style, I don't think this advantage will last long, so we'll see how things are after the game has been out a bit longer.
I actaully feel sc is harder than wc3 naturally as ive been playing for quite some time, im not backlashing anyone, Im saying exactly what you said, wc3 gamers aren't as good right now, sc is a much more complexed game to pick up vs wc3. So i agree with you for the most part besides the backlashing (–_–)
Ah, I meant it more as a joke, since people constantly go on about this WC3 ? SC Players, I didn't mean to imply anything
On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
He was just backlashing at the people saying SC > War3, you shouldn't take it too hard Anyways, people that say SC players > WC3 players (especially NOW, where the game hasn't been out long enough to even say who's gonna be a good player or not ) are ridiculous. Both games have similarities and differences, and even though I do think WC3 players are maybe in general not as good as SC players right now because of the way more macro-heavy play style, I don't think this advantage will last long, so we'll see how things are after the game has been out a bit longer.
I actaully feel sc is harder than wc3 naturally as ive been playing for quite some time, im not backlashing anyone, Im saying exactly what you said, wc3 gamers aren't as good right now, sc is a much more complexed game to pick up vs wc3. So i agree with you for the most part besides the backlashing (–_–)
Ah, I meant it more as a joke, since people constantly go on about this WC3 ? SC Players, I didn't mean to imply anything
My bad for misreading your post, feel like an idiot, thx for clearing that up bro. apologies!
Im not trying to be a dick on purpose, but going 4 warpgates, citidal, shrine, robo, stargate AND forge all off one base is pretty disgusting. after 10 games i could've told him that is retarded...
His choice to expand to 12 on LT also makes zero sense to me, unless it was just a pure gamble hoping garimto wouldnt see it...
expanding to hidden places like that is common in wc3. And he had no way of viewing the high ground. above his natural.. which would make a drop there extremely powerful
On June 29 2010 00:24 HUGGY wrote: I don't think people should judge/ hate on someone jus because they're a wc3 player. Like its obvious he doesn't play sc2, let alone just started playing toss(most like orc). More than half the community aren't even on that level where they can judge someone else's play.
On another note, I <3 Garimto and Grubby,and i hope they both start playing sc2 alot more. Wc3 players I've seen so far have brought alot of creativity to the game. They do come from a background where they have to do more than just build the whole game.
Old school sc players(asian mostly) bring their creativity and innovation. Its a nice mix too look forward too.
Are you implying that the only thing you have to do in BW is building? T____T
He was just backlashing at the people saying SC > War3, you shouldn't take it too hard Anyways, people that say SC players > WC3 players (especially NOW, where the game hasn't been out long enough to even say who's gonna be a good player or not ) are ridiculous. Both games have similarities and differences, and even though I do think WC3 players are maybe in general not as good as SC players right now because of the way more macro-heavy play style, I don't think this advantage will last long, so we'll see how things are after the game has been out a bit longer.
If anything, the more macro style play becomes integrated into SC2 the more SC players will dominate. You will especially see this when the Korean BW scene eventually switches to SC2. Simply put, the majority of WC3 players will not be able to adapt to controlling and macroing from 3+ bases effectively while experienced BW players will be able to do that. Already the only good WC3 players that are in the beta happen to be from China/Korea. So yes, SC players > WC3 players.
On June 29 2010 07:36 KiWiKaKi wrote: lol what about naniwa , demuslim , lucifron , me , tarson , huk , cauthonluck , axslav , strifecro. Saying that bw players will be better is pure bullshit
Tarson? He's a BW player and so is HuK (dunno for how long he was inactive, though). Have axslav and strifecro achieved anything (honest question)? But anyway, there are far more BW players among the top SC2 players, you can't deny that.
And the fact that Tester was basically raping everyone while being an average BW progamer counts for something. After having seen him play, I'd expect BW progamers to sweep the floor with other games' players.
Anyway, soon it won't matter what background someone has since he'll have enough SC2 playtime to simply consider him an SC2 player.
On June 29 2010 07:36 KiWiKaKi wrote: lol what about naniwa , demuslim , lucifron , me , huk , cauthonluck , axslav , strifecro. Saying that bw players will be better is pure bullshit
Half of those players are cheesy 1-basers that, like I said, will fall when expanding and macro becomes much more important than it is now. Even with those you mentioned, good BW players vastly outnumber the good WC3 players. I know you have "warcraft pride" but truth is truth.
I guess it's like Godwin's Law. It is inevitable that when a Wc3 pro gamer and a SC pro gamer plays against each other people have to bash each other about which game is better.
On June 29 2010 07:36 KiWiKaKi wrote: lol what about naniwa , demuslim , lucifron , me , huk , cauthonluck , axslav , strifecro. Saying that bw players will be better is pure bullshit
Its pointless arguing with D+ bw players, they dont understand wc3 because they never played it.
Its pretty clear BW and WC3 are even right now in SC2.. I would even give the edge to WC3, because outside of DIMAGA and White-Ra, WC3 players are dominating every tournament (like Kiwikaki's players mentioned, then the koreans)
But whatever, let the kids think what they want.
Its just funny that they look at this one game like its an accurate representation of BW vs WC3.. when Grubby has played less than 200 games of SC2 in his life vs's Garimto's like 2000+ I bet.
Grubby is still playing WC3 in all the major tourneys, making more money than Garimto has probably made in his lifetime on BW.. He isnt putting 10 hours a day into SC2 yet, but if he does and tries his best, you can guarantee Grubby will be top 10 in the world for the first 3-4 years. Easily the best foreigner by far, especially.
On June 29 2010 07:36 KiWiKaKi wrote: lol what about naniwa , demuslim , lucifron , me , tarson , huk , cauthonluck , axslav , strifecro. Saying that bw players will be better is pure bullshit
Tarson? He's a BW player and so is HuK (dunno for how long he was inactive, though). Have axslav and strifecro achieved anything (honest question)? But anyway, there are far more BW players among the top SC2 players, you can't deny that.
And the fact that Tester was basically raping everyone while being an average BW progamer counts for something. After having seen him play, I'd expect BW progamers to sweep the floor with other games' players.
Anyway, soon it won't matter what background someone has since he'll have enough SC2 playtime to simply consider him an SC2 player.
Tarson and Huk played BW. BW players will obviously have a definite advantage over WAR3 players, also considering the best BW players are not even playing i don't think you're in a viable position to throw names around no matter how good you are.
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