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On June 18 2010 04:43 Hobbes.uhz wrote:Show nested quote +Now however, it truly comes down to LAN, as it is the only thing they haven't really addressed. They haven't addressed being able to create your own game lobby with its own name and password. They haven't addressed custom maps starting burried and never seeing the light of day due to their system of popularity They haven't addressed having friends that can't see your personal contact information I'm sure there's more I just cant think of.
Yes, and did you expect them to? The amount of hype about the other issues has just been too large for blizzard to respond to these issues as well. I am sorry but I, and I believe a large portion of the community, believe the issues they have responded to, as well as LAN, are larger issues than custom games.
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My only question is how long it really takes to implement chat channels. Do we really have to wait months after the release for such a simple feature?
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On June 18 2010 05:15 Valikyr wrote:
My only question is how long it really takes to implement chat channels. Do we really have to wait months after the release for such a simple feature?
It's not like this is all they have to work on. They're probably working 12-18 hour days right now trying to get the game ready for release. They make it sound like it'll be one of the first things they'll get to after release. I have no idea. But I know they're railed right now getting ready for the release and Beta Part 2.
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With a little imagination I think you can make the system work that Blizzard has planned. Maybe the identifier can be revealed by pressing the name on the loading screen, in game or in chat. This way you never see the identifier if you don't want to and you can check the number easily. This is just one way, I'm sure there is plenty others to make it work. I just don't see it as a big problem right now.
Seriously. How hard is it to add a mouse-over? This would solve about a million problems, the foremost being:
a.) Identifiers are not displayed where they would be aesthetically awkward.
b.) Identifiers could easily be checked, ideally anywhere.
Also, by actually explaining what the identifiers were for (and preferably how they worked) before forcing the user to select a permanent one would probably help users understand what exactly they were doing. This means that:
a.) Users would be able to choose their own identifiers again.
Which means that:
a.) Users would have identifiers that are easy to recognize / differentiate.
The problem is when a group of people use the same identifier (i.e. *.Liquid) and then some scheister takes the name of someone from that group (i.e. IdrA.Liquid) before the actual individual has the chance to. But if clans were actually implemented at release this also wouldn't be much of a problem...
Edit: typo
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What a disaster. We get chat channels but at what cost? Further delay for tournaments (an actually useful feature!). Group think did not serve us well here.
None of these things force people to pay money for something they should inherently have.
This isn't exactly true. Blizzard doesn't take down low population realms, but realms essentially become unplayable as the user base contracts. At some point players are forced to transfer if they want to continue playing, which Blizzard happily charges them for.
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we've known about group chat channels for weeks now..they even mentioned them in the infamous "do you really want chat channels" interview...I guess now that all the screaming and bitching and blind ignorance has calmed down you can all finally see straight and understand what they've been telling us....wow. Come on now guys.
I see this as being a perfectly acceptable replacement for chat channels as its nearly the exact same thing. Only difference I can really tell is if you want your own channel, you have to invite the people you want, so just invite people from TL, all are happy.
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lol some very sad entitled children on this forums...
Blizz says: We will give you chat channels some time after release, but they wont be public.
Babies say: WAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS
Blizz says: Uh yeah, you will get chat channels some time after release
Babies say: WAAAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS SOON
Blizz says: Uh yeah, chat channels are coming soon. Not right away, because we are busy, but soon.
Babies say: WAAAHHHH WE WANT THEM NOW NOW NOW
TEMPER TANTRUM.
All those complaining... you say how simple and easy it is to implement. How cheap it is, how 100% essential it is and how easy battle.net is.
Really? Are you 100% sure of this? Where is your multiplatformed multigaming social networking program? Since it is so easy, quick and simple to do...
You also seem to know exactly what the feature is going to be like when it is implemented. I mean since you know what it is that Blizzard is doing, you know exactly how easy it is to do right? May I borrow your time machine? I have some lottery numbers to pick...
Remember guys, this is not Battle.net 1.0. It is not just a simple set of chat rooms and list of matches. This is supposed to compete with Steam. You know Steam? That program you download games off of, cross gaming platforms that break the rules of the games themselves (cross factional and cross server and cross battlegroups), that works in games, replays, single player mode, for existing AND future games of many different styles and backgrounds? Yeah that Steam. It has the exact same chat room style that Blizzard has announced will exist in Battle.net 2.0.
If you think that Steam came out bulging with all the features that it has now, you are deluding yourself. If you think that Battle.net 2.0 should be as good or better than Steam on it's release day, your expectations are too high. If you think that Battle.net will not be constantly updated AFTER release then you are dumb (and yes, patches will come far more frequently than games are released).
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This is a step in the right direction, but there are still many things that we're waiting to hear from Blizzard on. I hope to God they fix custom games. The system that they had implemented in the beta was awful.
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ok finally blizz come to have common sense again
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On June 18 2010 06:02 Zanez.smarty wrote:
lol some very sad entitled children on this forums...
Blizz says: We will give you chat channels some time after release, but they wont be public.
Babies say: WAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS
Blizz says: Uh yeah, you will get chat channels some time after release
Babies say: WAAAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS SOON
Blizz says: Uh yeah, chat channels are coming soon. Not right away, because we are busy, but soon.
Babies say: WAAAHHHH WE WANT THEM NOW NOW NOW
TEMPER TANTRUM.
All those complaining... you say how simple and easy it is to implement. How cheap it is, how 100% essential it is and how easy battle.net is.
Really? Are you 100% sure of this? Where is your multiplatformed multigaming social networking program? Since it is so easy, quick and simple to do...
You also seem to know exactly what the feature is going to be like when it is implemented. I mean since you know what it is that Blizzard is doing, you know exactly how easy it is to do right? May I borrow your time machine? I have some lottery numbers to pick...
Remember guys, this is not Battle.net 1.0. It is not just a simple set of chat rooms and list of matches. This is supposed to compete with Steam. You know Steam? That program you download games off of, cross gaming platforms that break the rules of the games themselves (cross factional and cross server and cross battlegroups), that works in games, replays, single player mode, for existing AND future games of many different styles and backgrounds? Yeah that Steam. It has the exact same chat room style that Blizzard has announced will exist in Battle.net 2.0.
If you think that Steam came out bulging with all the features that it has now, you are deluding yourself. If you think that Battle.net 2.0 should be as good or better than Steam on it's release day, your expectations are too high. If you think that Battle.net will not be constantly updated AFTER release then you are dumb (and yes, patches will come far more frequently than games are released).
Remember dude, we're expecting Bnet 2.0 to be at least AS good as Bnet 1.0. If they can't make Bnet 2.0 better than Bnet 1.0, then they should give us 1.0 back.They've delayed the game forever for Bnet 2.0 and this is what they have to show for it? Chat channels in a couple of months that might not even be free?
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On June 17 2010 17:33 Kennigit wrote:
Believe that is new. Only took 3 months of shit storming to get that tidbit haha.
You don't think they would have done that anyway? I'm pretty sure Dustin Browder promised that ages ago, but nobody listened or cared because it wasn't in the beta.
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On June 18 2010 06:19 Wolfpox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 17:33 Kennigit wrote:
Believe that is new. Only took 3 months of shit storming to get that tidbit haha. You don't think they would have done that anyway? I'm pretty sure Dustin Browder promised that ages ago, but nobody listened or cared because it wasn't in the beta.
Dustin Browder is not in charge. Frank Pierce is.
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On June 18 2010 06:02 Zanez.smarty wrote:
lol some very sad entitled children on this forums...
Blizz says: We will give you chat channels some time after release, but they wont be public.
Babies say: WAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS
Blizz says: Uh yeah, you will get chat channels some time after release
Babies say: WAAAAHHHH WE WANT CHAT CHANNELS SOON
Blizz says: Uh yeah, chat channels are coming soon. Not right away, because we are busy, but soon.
Babies say: WAAAHHHH WE WANT THEM NOW NOW NOW
TEMPER TANTRUM.
All those complaining... you say how simple and easy it is to implement. How cheap it is, how 100% essential it is and how easy battle.net is.
Really? Are you 100% sure of this? Where is your multiplatformed multigaming social networking program? Since it is so easy, quick and simple to do...
You also seem to know exactly what the feature is going to be like when it is implemented. I mean since you know what it is that Blizzard is doing, you know exactly how easy it is to do right? May I borrow your time machine? I have some lottery numbers to pick...
Please don't post like this, you sound like a douche.
On June 18 2010 06:02 Zanez.smarty wrote:
Remember guys, this is not Battle.net 1.0. It is not just a simple set of chat rooms and list of matches. This is supposed to compete with Steam. You know Steam? That program you download games off of, cross gaming platforms that break the rules of the games themselves (cross factional and cross server and cross battlegroups), that works in games, replays, single player mode, for existing AND future games of many different styles and backgrounds? Yeah that Steam. It has the exact same chat room style that Blizzard has announced will exist in Battle.net 2.0.
If you think that Steam came out bulging with all the features that it has now, you are deluding yourself. If you think that Battle.net 2.0 should be as good or better than Steam on it's release day, your expectations are too high. If you think that Battle.net will not be constantly updated AFTER release then you are dumb (and yes, patches will come far more frequently than games are released).
Steam is free. It's very reasonable to have high expectations when we have to pay 60$ for SC2.
We're not asking for much... We're not even asking for anything new.
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when Activision set the release date to be July 27, they basically said fuck it, we don't care if the game's finished by then or not, we are gonna ship the damn game on that day, if the game's too fucked up and draws too much complaints we can just release patches along the way.
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On June 18 2010 06:21 iloahz wrote:
when Activision set the release date to be July 27, they basically said fuck it, we don't care if the game's finished by then or not, we are gonna ship the damn game on that day, if the game's too fucked up and draws too much complaints we can just release patches along the way.
Is there something wrong with patches?
I would rather have the game earlier and the chat channels later than have nothing at all until they give us both at once.
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On June 18 2010 06:31 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 06:21 iloahz wrote:
when Activision set the release date to be July 27, they basically said fuck it, we don't care if the game's finished by then or not, we are gonna ship the damn game on that day, if the game's too fucked up and draws too much complaints we can just release patches along the way. Is there something wrong with patches? I would rather have the game earlier and the chat channels later than have nothing at all until they give us both at once.
Well, they could have just gone with Bnet 1.0 and gotten the game out WAY earlier. The reason they delayed the beta was because of Bnet 2.0.
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On June 18 2010 06:34 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 06:31 Backpack wrote:On June 18 2010 06:21 iloahz wrote:
when Activision set the release date to be July 27, they basically said fuck it, we don't care if the game's finished by then or not, we are gonna ship the damn game on that day, if the game's too fucked up and draws too much complaints we can just release patches along the way. Is there something wrong with patches? I would rather have the game earlier and the chat channels later than have nothing at all until they give us both at once. Well, they could have just gone with Bnet 1.0 and gotten the game out WAY earlier. The reason they delayed the beta was because of Bnet 2.0.
True, but that's not really an option now so I think in a few months when Bnet 2.0 is finished (they add in chat/cross-realm) it will be much better than bnet 1.0.
Give it some time, it'll suck at first but once it's polished it'll be worth it.
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On June 18 2010 06:31 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 06:21 iloahz wrote:
when Activision set the release date to be July 27, they basically said fuck it, we don't care if the game's finished by then or not, we are gonna ship the damn game on that day, if the game's too fucked up and draws too much complaints we can just release patches along the way. Is there something wrong with patches? I would rather have the game earlier and the chat channels later than have nothing at all until they give us both at once.
So let me get this straight.... You would rather purchase an unfinished product just so you can have it sooner? To add insult to injury you don't even know what the final product will be like!
Personally I would rather wait to know exactly what I am spending my money on than be given a product that has been pushed out the door...
At least if its finished you know what you are getting whereas you don't know for sure whether they will address the problems. All blizz has done to date is passing out IOU's on these issues...
And to everyone who keeps saying "see they were going to take care of these things all along" just stfu all ready! I have no doubt that all the shitstorming has had a lot to do with blizz even acknowledging us....
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I have nothing but faith in Blizzard, they have made nothing but amazing games so far.
And besides, they just confirmed all of those things. That's what this thread is about!
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well it only took about the whole fan-base explaining why they need chat channels for them to realize this =P
I think that this is a start for blizzard's improvement of B.Net 2.0
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