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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 02:46:42
June 13 2010 02:43 GMT
#21
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Average ~205ms to Singapore on that IP given above, but it's really not the point. Now it will end up that certain ISPs will have a good ping around 150-250 and the rest will be 350+ which is exactly what they were trying to avoid on a larger scale on the US server...

EDIT:

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Wow make the server in Kuala Lumpur ;D This just highlights how fickle our internet is and proves that it's useless to try and make a move like putting us on the SEA server in an attempt to reduce latency. I get a better ping to Malaysia than anywhere whereas everyone else is 350ms+ it just doesn't work.
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
June 13 2010 02:44 GMT
#22
When the game comes out just get the server IP's, run a traceroute, and find out which will give you better latency.
Purekarnage
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 02:47:46
June 13 2010 02:45 GMT
#23
Is there going to be a west coast server in America?(like in wow and wc3) because if there isn't my ping is actually better to SEA then it is to the east coast of America.

SEA
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West coast
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East coast
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Although the ms is slightly better i don't think the 70ms difference is worth being on a server where more than half the people don't speak the same language as you.
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Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
June 13 2010 02:48 GMT
#24
As long I can get a US account im fine....never want to play on EU ASIA or SEA.

Crucius
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia299 Posts
June 13 2010 02:57 GMT
#25
Pretty sure pingtest don't use the same servers as Blizzard, so what does this test proves?


Because everyone still needs to connect to the blizzard servers via the internet? Sure the tests may not be 100% accurate, but it still gives you a rough idea.
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
June 13 2010 03:01 GMT
#26
On June 13 2010 11:57 Crucius wrote:
Show nested quote +
Pretty sure pingtest don't use the same servers as Blizzard, so what does this test proves?


Because everyone still needs to connect to the blizzard servers via the internet? Sure the tests may not be 100% accurate, but it still gives you a rough idea.


Can't know how you will be routed to Blizz servers using pingtests
tertle
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 03:08:25
June 13 2010 03:08 GMT
#27
Certain providers like internode actually get decent pings to SEA, but the majority of Australian ISPs get significantly better pings to the US. Not really sure why this is.
Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
June 13 2010 03:08 GMT
#28
On June 13 2010 11:42 Skeyser wrote:
Pretty sure pingtest don't use the same servers as Blizzard, so what does this test proves?


The tests prove nothing...but some IPs will route through the USA so it is impossible for some people to achieve a lower ping on a SEA server....i know my ISP does direct so i WILL get a lower ping....

But idc, why the fuck would I want to play with south east asians? I dont know any South East Asians and with no chat rooms and few english speakers I will probably never get to know any anyway,

the US servers are WAY more compatible with Australians than friggin South East Asian ones.....

Half the people who play this game regardless of where they are from will want to play on the US servers..
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 03:12:24
June 13 2010 03:12 GMT
#29
We have the massive fibre optic southern cross cable from east Australia to the west side of America which is of a very high quality. Most of our latency comes from hops, that's why tunnels such as LowerPing/BattlePing make so much difference.

There is little reason to be using servers on SEA because the quality of the networks in that area are worse than America's.
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schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
June 13 2010 03:14 GMT
#30
On June 13 2010 12:12 sluggaslamoo wrote:
We have the massive fibre optic southern cross cable from east Australia to the west side of America which is of a very high quality. Most of our latency comes from hops, that's why tunnels such as LowerPing/BattlePing make so much difference.

There is little reason to be using servers on SEA because the quality of the networks in that area are worse than America's.



also, this is only sort of related, but apparently the maker of battleping says hes working on a tunneling service that works with UDP SC2 so we have that to look forward to
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Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
June 13 2010 03:15 GMT
#31
On June 13 2010 10:58 schiznak wrote:
I ran a test to see my ping to various locations in south east asia(because I am unsure of where the servers are going to be installed), then compared it to my ping to America, and surprisingly

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Malaysia

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Philippines

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Boston, where the NA servers are located


So basically, the one reason that blizzard had to justify segregating us onto this non-english speaking server was the better latency, which turns out to be exactly the opposite, you will end up with a better community and better ping if you play on the US servers.

The reason for the pings being ~25% higher when the location is 3x closer is apparently any internet traffic from Australia to Asia first has to go all the way to America and back because there is no direct internet connection.

So I advise you, change your battle.net account address to somewhere in America if you want to get the most out of SC2.


im also with TPG on a similar plan, fucking blizzard.
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Ebonikizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
44 Posts
June 13 2010 03:17 GMT
#32
Where were the servers for the first stage of the beta? Because they were fine.
opticalza
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 03:21:11
June 13 2010 03:20 GMT
#33
Best SEA Server
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Boston (Possible US Server)
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Los angeles (Possible US Server, where beta was hosted afaik)
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Local
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Pings to singnet.com return:
Minimum = 192ms, Maximum = 193ms, Average = 192ms

The singnet.com pings are reasonable, but not ideal nor better then a west coast server, and definitely not worth the split in community and language barriers.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
June 13 2010 03:20 GMT
#34
Seems to me the SEA servers are going to be very empty, Lots of people from Singapore are going to connect to USA and same with Australia.

This whole situation is just a joke.

I have quite a few RL freinds who are going to get SC2 but arent following most of this and will unknowingly lock themselves into the SEA server. I wont be able to play with them if i'm locked into the US servers. Its really frustrating when the vast majority do not want what Blizzard is offering us.

Maybe when they see that the servers in SEA are hardly being used they might get the hint. But as i said earlier a lot of people will sign up to SEA unknowingly so GG blizz at this horrible decision.
Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
June 13 2010 03:21 GMT
#35
On June 13 2010 12:17 Ebonikizzle wrote:
Where were the servers for the first stage of the beta? Because they were fine.


Correction: They were fine with lowerping...but im happy to pay a whopping $8 a month for lowerping.
Vinnesta
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore285 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 03:28:07
June 13 2010 03:21 GMT
#36
On June 13 2010 12:08 Kegs.aus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 11:42 Skeyser wrote:
Pretty sure pingtest don't use the same servers as Blizzard, so what does this test proves?


The tests prove nothing...but some IPs will route through the USA so it is impossible for some people to achieve a lower ping on a SEA server....i know my ISP does direct so i WILL get a lower ping....

But idc, why the fuck would I want to play with south east asians? I dont know any South East Asians and with no chat rooms and few english speakers I will probably never get to know any anyway,

the US servers are WAY more compatible with Australians than friggin South East Asian ones.....

Half the people who play this game regardless of where they are from will want to play on the US servers..


Almost all South East Asians are able to speak English, and most choose to do so online. You only have to look at the "Oceanic" servers on WoW to know that the Australian community can fit in the SEA community, and vice versa, very well in terms of time, language and location.

Some ISPs in Australia connect through Singapore to the fibre optic cables that cross the Pacific, hence the lower latency that some Australians might get.

EDIT:
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I live in Singapore and this is the ping to the Kuala Lumpur server... Obviously not very accurate to judge latency to Singapore using a KL server.
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Harpwn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia253 Posts
June 13 2010 03:23 GMT
#37
putting all this technical stuff aside,will you aussies change your address to get onto the us servers?

I persoanlly would much rather be on the US to ladder and such, but the problem is all my rl friends who arent serious gamers at all would be on the SEA servers. I know a few ppl will go to us server, but i think its prolly safe to say the vast majority will just play where blizzard puts them.

How will this affect australian competitions? Will this be the end of them if a fair few of the good players are on US, but the majority of players are on SEA?

This really sucks for the australian community =\
Mez
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia42 Posts
June 13 2010 03:23 GMT
#38
On June 13 2010 12:20 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Seems to me the SEA servers are going to be very empty, Lots of people from Singapore are going to connect to USA and same with Australia.

This whole situation is just a joke.

I have quite a few RL freinds who are going to get SC2 but arent following most of this and will unknowingly lock themselves into the SEA server. I wont be able to play with them if i'm locked into the US servers. Its really frustrating when the vast majority do not want what Blizzard is offering us.


Yep, basically this.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-13 03:25:43
June 13 2010 03:24 GMT
#39
On June 13 2010 12:21 Vinnesta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 12:08 Kegs.aus wrote:
On June 13 2010 11:42 Skeyser wrote:
Pretty sure pingtest don't use the same servers as Blizzard, so what does this test proves?


The tests prove nothing...but some IPs will route through the USA so it is impossible for some people to achieve a lower ping on a SEA server....i know my ISP does direct so i WILL get a lower ping....

But idc, why the fuck would I want to play with south east asians? I dont know any South East Asians and with no chat rooms and few english speakers I will probably never get to know any anyway,

the US servers are WAY more compatible with Australians than friggin South East Asian ones.....

Half the people who play this game regardless of where they are from will want to play on the US servers..


Almost all South East Asians are able to speak English, and most choose to do so online. You only have to look at the "Oceanic" servers on WoW to know that the Australian community can fit in the SEA community, and vice versa, very well in terms of time, language and location.

Some ISPs in Australia connect through Singapore to the fibre optic cables that cross the Pacific, hence the lower latency that some Australians might get.


All ISPs do that, the problem is the quality of the network before and afterwards. Generally networks will be optimised to go to America because tbh since when has Australian wanted to surf on a Singaporean website. The other thing, as i stated before, is the quality of the networks in America are much better than in SEA.
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Manaldski
Profile Joined January 2004
229 Posts
June 13 2010 03:25 GMT
#40
The USA Beta server was located in Los Angeles and the ping from Sydney to L.A is 140-150ms, as can be seen here:

http://ipstats.globalcrossing.net/dotcom/link8r.shtml?src=LAX1&mode=r2r&dst=RSE1&type=ping

I dont understand how people get 300ms+ latency to these, i suppose bad infrastructure adds a lot of lag up to the gateway points.
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