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Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
June 06 2010 17:56 GMT
#261
LAN is out because of piracy, to avoid net play and paralel servers. Of course the game is going to get cracked and playable, but SINGLEPLAYER. To create a BNet 2.0 emulator to play between peers they are going to need a year in the better scenario, and that's the time window Blizzard needs to make enough sales. If you put LAN in, you can create a whole comunity of "hamachi-like" players with ladders, tourneys and stuff.
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Mithrandror
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium85 Posts
June 06 2010 17:58 GMT
#262
I don't get the optimism in this thread. I'm pretty sure the "press conference" will go something like this: Look, we know what you guys want, but we know best, so you ain't getting it....

you really want chatrooms?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
June 06 2010 17:58 GMT
#263
On June 06 2010 06:47 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2010 05:34 Madkipz wrote:
On June 06 2010 05:29 Redmark wrote:
On June 06 2010 04:22 Salty wrote:
It should be really easy to verify the legitimacy of a game copy and then allow offline LAN support for say, 24 hours. There is no reason NOT to allot it with a system like that.

Except wouldn't that just allow crackers to look at the complete netplay code, making the whole thing pointless in the first place? With piracy protection it's all or nothing.


i dont see why sc2 would even bother to protect against piracy because they will crack the game eventually regardless.

"Eventually" is a bad argument, because such a large percentage of sales are made within a short time of the game's release. Being pirated on day 1, and being pirated at the end of week 3 have dramatically different end results on sales figures.

Take, for example, GTA IV, which sold 8.5 million copies in the first month it was out. 3.6 million of those were sold on the first day of it's release, and 6 million were sold within the first week. I'm pretty sure developers are well aware that piracy prevention doesn't last forever, but if it lasts more than a few weeks, then from their perspective, it has done its job (from that perspective, it also makes sense to add LAN in via patch after the first major wave of sales has died down).


Exactly. The whole reason why Spore's DRM was such a failure from the company's standpoint wasn't because the DRM was cracked, but because it was cracked before the game even came out. Gamers are inpatient and will buy a game when it comes out rather than wait for the crack (proven by sales figures) so DRM just has to stave off the hackers for a week to be extremely successful and worth it for the company.

Blizzard could probably take advantage of this by maybe giving us LAN at a later date than release. If cracking SC2 multiplayer takes anywhere as long as cracking took during the beta then there would be plenty of time to accumulate sales before releasing offline LAN, assuming the "always connected" multiplayer experience is what is holding the hackers back.

That said, there have been no indications whatsoever that Blizzard currently has any plans for LAN at all.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Exek
Profile Joined June 2010
2 Posts
June 06 2010 19:26 GMT
#264
There is so much problems about bnet 2.0 and i just can't actually realize how soon they can fix them if they of course really want to...
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
June 06 2010 19:43 GMT
#265
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned too much as of late is watching replays online with friends. I realize that it's not as critical as some of the map publishing and custom game hosting concerns, but for me watching replays online with friends was one of my favorite parts of playing SC1: when a friend logs on and says "oh man I just played this insaaaaaaaaaaaaane game, come watch it with me!" it's so much fun, and it's a great way to focus on your play with another person commenting on it.

I thought that most people felt this way about online replays, and I don't understand how Blizzard could not realize how important this is to some people. They've promised it "in a future content patch," but given that they "promised" that online replays would be delivered "in a future content patch" for Warcraft III and, to this day, WC3 still doesn't have online replays, I'm not sure I believe them.
. . . nevermore
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 06 2010 19:53 GMT
#266
I feel like you raven, but if they never added this in wc3, and now we are bickering over chat channels, I dont have much faith blizzard will ever add it.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Viktator
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark23 Posts
June 06 2010 19:57 GMT
#267
This sounds promising. Good job with the cats.
http://xkcd.com/810/ - Mission. Fucking. Accomplished.
bubusls
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania61 Posts
June 06 2010 20:00 GMT
#268
They might make a concession, but I don't think they'll ignore their policy.
Could I use the term " lings " to refer to ducklings ?
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
June 06 2010 20:06 GMT
#269
They have one month before the game releases. There is no way they can change anything major in that time period. They will most likely try to throw some stuff out there, but will most likely be post-release.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
-Desu-
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Turkey173 Posts
June 06 2010 20:09 GMT
#270
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 06 2010 20:10 GMT
#271
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too
When I think of something else, something will go here
-Desu-
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Turkey173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 20:14:52
June 06 2010 20:11 GMT
#272
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly
Sputty
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
June 06 2010 20:16 GMT
#273
On June 07 2010 05:11 -Desu- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly

They don't have to, it's an option so they don't have to buy the game at full price
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 20:18:29
June 06 2010 20:18 GMT
#274
On June 07 2010 05:11 -Desu- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly


Because the game will be priced @ 20$ for jewl and 30$ for standard instead of $50-60, therefore they've decided to test their inevitably upcoming subscription feature.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1769 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 20:21:02
June 06 2010 20:18 GMT
#275
On June 06 2010 00:47 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Glad to see that blizz does care.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Well ofcourse they do. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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-Desu-
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Turkey173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 20:19:53
June 06 2010 20:18 GMT
#276
On June 07 2010 05:16 Sputty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:11 -Desu- wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly

They don't have to, it's an option so they don't have to buy the game at full price

ok, so we will buy the game at full price and won't be paying every month for BNET 2.0, and then if someone in certain areas want to buy the game without the full price, he will be paying every month summing up to total price of the game.

Did I get it right?

And are you sure there will be monthly subscription in the future Googen?
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
June 06 2010 20:39 GMT
#277
On June 07 2010 05:18 -Desu- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:16 Sputty wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:11 -Desu- wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly

They don't have to, it's an option so they don't have to buy the game at full price

ok, so we will buy the game at full price and won't be paying every month for BNET 2.0, and then if someone in certain areas want to buy the game without the full price, he will be paying every month summing up to total price of the game.

Did I get it right?

And are you sure there will be monthly subscription in the future Googen?

Officially, there wont be a monthly subscription in the future, hes just guessing that based on how crappy blizzard is now, that they will change their mind.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 21:01:15
June 06 2010 21:00 GMT
#278
i've been interpreting their comment ". and we're in the midst of working on a comprehensive address that should hit most of the major concerns"
to mean theyre going to give us a statement/response, rather than the other meaning of "address" which is to actually work on the bnet issues

which is right?
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
KCrazy
Profile Joined August 2009
United States278 Posts
June 06 2010 21:04 GMT
#279
On June 07 2010 06:00 Zelniq wrote:
i've been interpreting their comment ". and we're in the midst of working on a comprehensive address that should hit most of the major concerns"
to mean theyre going to give us a statement/response, rather than the other meaning of "address" which is to actually work on the bnet issues

which is right?


they most likely mean that they will be making a statement on the issues either confirming that they are legit problems and that they plan on attending to them, confirm that they are legit concerns and that they already have solutions to them, or try to convince us that what they are doing is better suited for their envisions of the bnet 2.0 environment.
"We need alcohol" ~Stork
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 21:20:27
June 06 2010 21:19 GMT
#280
On June 07 2010 05:18 -Desu- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2010 05:16 Sputty wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:11 -Desu- wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:10 blade55555 wrote:
On June 07 2010 05:09 -Desu- wrote:
Sorry to ask this question here but I searched a bit for answer but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Will BNET 2.0 be with Monthly Payment? Like WoW?


nope unless you live in like russia or something and choose too

I live in Europe but I didn't get why ppl in Russia have to pay monthly

They don't have to, it's an option so they don't have to buy the game at full price

ok, so we will buy the game at full price and won't be paying every month for BNET 2.0, and then if someone in certain areas want to buy the game without the full price, he will be paying every month summing up to total price of the game.

Did I get it right?

And are you sure there will be monthly subscription in the future Googen?


There will be an option to upgrade the accout to a 'full' status for an additional $30-40, an optional ~5$/mo subscription is also rumored.'

Blizzard will start changing eventually, maybe for extra map-packs (they certainly didn't plan the map store for users), B.net features, could even be full-n subscriptions after 1st or 2nd expansion.

As for the LAN, there is absolutely no way it can damage the sales, because:

1. The feature can be made accessible via B.net 2.0 only, at least on after-login screen, meaning that even if B.net 2.0 is down and the login/billing service is up (which usually is a separate server), players will still be able to use it.

2. Having Lan doesn't mean having the whole server, sure there may be some hamachi stuff, but that's absolutely nothing.

3. Even if the whole B.net 2.0 service leaks (unlikely), it still probably won't make much of a difference, PVPGN (B.net 1.0) leaked back in 98, every1 had it, StarCraft still sold 12m copies, Diablo II still sold 7m, WarCraft III also sold 7m copies.
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