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Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
June 04 2010 23:29 GMT
#41
People are getting paranoid here. They do it to stop others from charging for game content. Something similar happened in wow. Some pro players made a community and charged people for videos but then Blizzard came and told them to make it free or gtfo.
I don't like cross realm and LAN issues (I believe chat will be ok as it is in their interest) but people here are trying to bash on Blizzard for every little thing. Blizzard aren't doing everything just to screw you over so chill.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 04 2010 23:30 GMT
#42
Blizzard needs to put in the EULA that they also own the oxygen you breath while you are logged into their server.
There's no S in KT. :P
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
June 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#43
what i dont get is, boxer had a DVD with his games for sale. how would be such a thing handled now? some people say it was the same in sc1, but if it was: how could he sell his own DVD?.

this is so stupid, its like asking the guys who make soccer balls if TV channels can show the games (or how much fee you have to give)...
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
blue.devils
Profile Joined March 2010
United States8 Posts
June 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#44
On June 05 2010 07:21 RodrigoX wrote:
Blizzard Terms of Use:

Game clients and Service.
The Game clients and the Service (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, documentation, in-game chat transcripts, character profile information, recordings or replays of Games, and the Game client and server software) are copyrighted works owned by Blizzard and its licensors.



My response:

Woah Woah Woah. This is the same bullshit Kespa was pulling. This is 100 percent not right!

An artists work, is the artists work. The makers of paint dont control him. Complete 100 percent bullshit.

If this is allowed to happen you will have the same terrible IF NOT WORSE situation that BW progamers are in right now, getting jipped money wise for what they produce. Unless blizzard is fair about it, and is just doing another Kespa cock block.

This is not fair for the players at all and everyone with a head on their shoulders be 100 percent against this.

Do you agree?


It's a contract.

If a painter bought paint from someone and agreed beforehand that anything he paints with the paint belongs to the paint manufacturer, then, yes, the paint manufacturer would own the paintings.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 23:53:09
June 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#45
This why they want replays for all ladder matches. Not to "even the playing field," but to potentially charge people for Pro-level replays. The old Blizzard we once knew is dead.

(Semi-joking, but not really)
blue.devils
Profile Joined March 2010
United States8 Posts
June 04 2010 23:53 GMT
#46
On June 05 2010 08:47 AmstAff wrote:
what i dont get is, boxer had a DVD with his games for sale. how would be such a thing handled now? some people say it was the same in sc1, but if it was: how could he sell his own DVD?.

this is so stupid, its like asking the guys who make soccer balls if TV channels can show the games (or how much fee you have to give)...


Just because Blizzard didn't sue him for the sale of his DVD doesn't mean they waive all future rights in their IP.
KingPants
Profile Joined December 2008
United States54 Posts
June 04 2010 23:55 GMT
#47
On June 05 2010 08:47 AmstAff wrote:
what i dont get is, boxer had a DVD with his games for sale. how would be such a thing handled now? some people say it was the same in sc1, but if it was: how could he sell his own DVD?.

this is so stupid, its like asking the guys who make soccer balls if TV channels can show the games (or how much fee you have to give)...

Yes, because a soccer ball is to soccer what Starcraft is to Starcraft. Someone needs to stop General from bleeding into the other forums, put a cap on it.
stickman.hqt
Profile Joined May 2010
United States47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 00:01:03
June 04 2010 23:58 GMT
#48
This is old news and Blizzard has this clause to specifically remove people from attempting to sell replay packs and footage from events. It is there to allow us players to view a million replays by players without worrying about going to a site that is selling them. That is why to this day, you can search for replays and not worry about sifting through hundreds of websites attempting to sell you "premium" replay content. It is not their intent, going by the last 15 years of this practice, to horde the replays and sell them to us. At the worst they may attempt to sell the video production of large events as memorabilia.
Scouting is more broken then any strategy.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 04 2010 23:58 GMT
#49
On June 05 2010 08:52 blue.devils wrote:
It's a contract.


ToS/EULAs are not valid contracts, case-law on the matter points to that fact. Might wanna do a little legal research before making such remarks.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
June 04 2010 23:58 GMT
#50
Just like Blizzard, we're not free — we're only liscensed.
Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
June 05 2010 00:00 GMT
#51
On June 05 2010 08:13 Zhou wrote:
Hey guys. PSST. I'LL SELL YOU FLASH SC2 REPLAYS 20 bucks a pop.

Look, I know Blizzard isn't doing so great in our communities eyes, but like everyone's already been saying, a few of you fellows are looking at this thing a little too hard. They aren't going to take over the world anytime soon. I promise.

pm'd... i really need my fix.
Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
June 05 2010 00:06 GMT
#52
They just don't want sites selling replays, I very much doubt they're going to try and make a profit by selling replays.
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
June 05 2010 00:07 GMT
#53
On June 05 2010 08:55 KingPants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 08:47 AmstAff wrote:
what i dont get is, boxer had a DVD with his games for sale. how would be such a thing handled now? some people say it was the same in sc1, but if it was: how could he sell his own DVD?.

this is so stupid, its like asking the guys who make soccer balls if TV channels can show the games (or how much fee you have to give)...

Yes, because a soccer ball is to soccer what Starcraft is to Starcraft. Someone needs to stop General from bleeding into the other forums, put a cap on it.


isn't it? starcraft is a tool like a ball and you still need the environment to play. for soccer a stadium or something and for starcraft a PC, keyboard and such things.
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Executioner.zealot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 00:09:01
June 05 2010 00:08 GMT
#54
On June 05 2010 07:21 RodrigoX wrote:
Blizzard Terms of Use:

Game clients and Service.
The Game clients and the Service (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, documentation, in-game chat transcripts, character profile information, recordings or replays of Games, and the Game client and server software) are copyrighted works owned by Blizzard and its licensors.



My response:

Woah Woah Woah. This is the same bullshit Kespa was pulling. This is 100 percent not right!

An artists work, is the artists work. The makers of paint dont control him. Complete 100 percent bullshit.

If this is allowed to happen you will have the same terrible IF NOT WORSE situation that BW progamers are in right now, getting jipped money wise for what they produce. Unless blizzard is fair about it, and is just doing another Kespa cock block.

This is not fair for the players at all and everyone with a head on their shoulders be 100 percent against this.

Do you agree?


Two things will not hold up in the Blizzard TOS. One being the rights to the software. In the US if you purchase the software; you own it. A case in the state of Washington set the president for that legality. Take a look here:
http://www.citizen.org/documents/vernororder.pdfUnited State Legal Reference

The second is ownership of the replays. There was a case between a software manufacturer and a user of the software. The case found the file that results from the software program belongs to the author of the file. I cant find the case(I've been search for about the last hour) but if anyone can find it please post.

The case basically said, if a paper company sold a ream of paper to someone who typed up a novel with it, neither the paper company nor the manufacturer of the type writer would own it. Same is the case with software and hardware.
tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 00:16:27
June 05 2010 00:14 GMT
#55
What's wrong with people selling their own replays/recordings if people wish to pay good money for them? I think I would be in the market for, say, a DVD of epic matches with awesome commentary, or something similar. If a broadcasting company released "Best Games of Proleague 09/10" or "Flash's games with his own strategic commentary" in a fan pack or something, wouldn't people naturally buy it? Killing the profit angle is ensuring this will never happen.
brocoli
Profile Joined February 2010
Brazil264 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 00:19:24
June 05 2010 00:16 GMT
#56
About the rights on replays: this is stupid. Probably some lawyer put that into the terms of use thinking on the safety of the company, but it is just a dumb move. Often it won't make a difference, since Blizzard doesn't want to be keeping track of replays ; and if by any reason it ends up actually making a difference, there'll be an uproar and they'll have to drop their right.

And that's pretty much the same thing for the rights on recording. Sure, they can claim these rights on their user agreement, but as far as I know, most of the country's laws/constitutions will give these rights to the actual makers of the content by default if there's no explicit commercial contract; so it is the same thing: if they ever try use this for anything, it will backfire.


This just helps their administrative section's image to sink even lower, and doesn't give them anything in exchange.
Just, dumb.

EDIT: fixing misswording, clarifying.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
June 05 2010 00:25 GMT
#57
From Starcraft 1

END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

1. Limited Use License. Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. ("Blizzard"), hereby grants, and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited, non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the Program for your use on either a home or portable computer. In addition, the Program has a multi-player capability that allows up to eight players per registered version of the Program to play concurrently. These additional copies of the Program are known as and referred to hereafter as Spawned Versions." You may install Spawned Versions of the Program on an unlimited number of computers. However, Spawned Versions of the Program must be played in conjunction with the registered version of the Program from which they were spawned. All of the terms and conditions of the License Agreement shall also apply to the Spawned Version of the Program, with the exception that the Spawned Version Program may be installed on as many computers as you wish. The Program also contains a Campaign Editor (the "Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for your personal use in connection with the Program ("New Materials"). All use of the Editor or any New Materials is subject to this License Agreement. The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Program.

2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by Blizzard Entertainment or its licensors. The Program is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The Program contains certain licensed materials and Blizzard's licensors may protect their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.


Funny how suddenly some people read what is usually just an annoying screen to click away.
Seems to me it was there all along and in every game.
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
xnub
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 00:51:36
June 05 2010 00:44 GMT
#58
Its blizzards product they can do w/e they want with it. There copyrights and shit not kespas Just like ever other video company has rights over there games and what ever is made with them in terms of replays or content.

Blizzard does not want some company making money off its product they will never care about the solo person or small events but somthign like kespa they will crush rightly so. They want to direct there product the way they want to and get the money for it /shrug. Its easy to see y blizzard did it theres still going to be toruments and E sports and all that shit just going to be done by blizzard or somone under blizzard leadership.

They will not mess with the small time few people doing maps or small torunys or w/e they don't want a huge company making millions off there products.
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