EPTReally blizzard, if you're going to make the new battle.net flashy / filled with non-sense at least give us chat rooms to complain about it in. How are they even expecting this game to succeed as an e-sport if people have to buy 3 copies to play a global tournament? Money-making bastards.
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
Really blizzard, if you're going to make the new battle.net flashy / filled with non-sense at least give us chat rooms to complain about it in. How are they even expecting this game to succeed as an e-sport if people have to buy 3 copies to play a global tournament? Money-making bastards. | ||
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gdroxor
United States639 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:33 Xyik wrote: It's not just chat functionality / cross-realm play either. The new battle.net is shit. There's achievements and charts / numbers exploding out of every corner. I have to go through 3 menus to find the things I want to find now. Really blizzard, if you're going to make the new battle.net flashy / filled with non-sense at least give us chat rooms to complain about it in. How are they even expecting this game to succeed as an e-sport if people have to buy 3 copies to play a global tournament? Money-making bastards. I am a little annoyed that it takes about four clicks to get to my match history. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:28 Rorschach wrote: Poll: Are you buying Starcraft 2? Waiting to see if Blizz will address the issues first (178) Going to go thorugh with the order despite bnet 2.0 (78) Due to the lack of bnet features I have/will cancel my pre-order (65) I won't purchase any of the expansions unless they get their act together (50) 371 total votes Your vote: Are you buying Starcraft 2? (Vote): Due to the lack of bnet features I have/will cancel my pre-order Wow kinda stupid poll as all the answers are negative. I will buy the game no matter what, yet the only option for me is "I will go through with the order" as if I only buy because ive already ordered. | ||
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wanderer
United States641 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7945/73641791.png) edit -- also, Mike Morhaime makes $715,000 a year... plus 37% more for the holidays. | ||
KwarK
United States43464 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:15 Mora wrote: i'm not gonna have many fans here, but i can't say Blizzard has made the wrong decision. The majority (vast majority) of people do not care about chat. It is only important for hardcore players. For the average user, being able to poke your friends on facebook and boot up a game is *way* more important. Friends seeing each other playing sc2 on facebook will further promote more sales. It's a decision that is win/win for community/blizzard. You people don't understand how insignificant you are. If i was an Blizzard exec and looked at these polls, i'd laugh out loud. Like, really loud. This guys makes 2 million dollars (or more?) a year and is making decisions that are improving the sales of a product he is responsible for; and a few nerds in their basements start up a poll where a few thousand of them say they're going to give the game a 1-star rating on Amazon. OH NOES. Don't get me wrong; this interview makes me weep. That the company that changed my life and spurned me into becoming a video game designer has turned its back on the people who love the game the most absolutely saddens me. If i worked at Blizzard, i would be absolutely mortified by this. We considered taking general chat out of my game as well, but i couldn't let it fly. Despite the fact that i really don't think it has much benefit to the bulk of the audience, i just can't turn my back on my roots. I wish that the people making these high-level decisions at Blizzard had similar roots - so important and fundamental that you cannot bear to be betray them. I'm extremely lucky to work for a company that will go the extra mile (when they can) to cater to the hardcore player. It was logging onto Brood War GBR-1 and getting to know my peers that made me come back. It was talking to them that got me on gosugamers and subsequently teamliquid. You don't need to be hardcore to appreciate chat, quite the reverse, you need chat to build the interest to become hardcore. A matchmaking system alone is not enough, playing alone is incredibly dull and you don't find your sc2 peers on facebook. | ||
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wanderer
United States641 Posts
For each year until November 2012, Mike Morhaime will get 66,666 more shares of Activision-Blizzard. seriously, I'm not bullshitting you - its in the investors link on the op | ||
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KeeN
Canada82 Posts
Can you recall once where a game was flamed like this? Everyone in rts games is talking about starcraft 2. Every aoe3 forum has a separate starcraft forum, every dota player is switching, every rts gamer in the world is coming to starcraft 2. And in no time in the history of this earth, has an rts game been this big , or had such a large backlash due to the letdown of the people's expectations. There's so much riding on the success of this game, and the fact that there are so many angry people voicing their anger is just scary. yeah exactly as an AOE3 player the reason I am switching is due to the fact hat blizzard has always supported its games and made them fun to play, releasing patches im sure cost them tons of money but in the end they achieved customer satisfaction for all there games however at this point it seems that they no longer care about that all they're looking for is money however in my opinion this is going to cost them and there future 2 expansions are going to be a failure. | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:15 Antisocialmunky wrote: Do you really want to be paying $40 explicitly for BNET2.0? Yes, because I believe me along with many other people won't buy BNET2.0 based on the way it's going. If I do buy SC2 it will be purely for single player and I want blizzard to know this. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:34 wanderer wrote: Check out how much money their Chief of Human Resources makes per year, according to the document that Haza found: + Show Spoiler + edit -- also, Mike Morhaime makes $715,000 a year... plus 37% more for the holidays. Morhaime makes closer to 5 million annually if you consider salary, bonuses and stock options | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:39 KwarK wrote: It was logging onto Brood War GBR-1 and getting to know my peers that made me come back. It was talking to them that got me on gosugamers and subsequently teamliquid. You don't need to be hardcore to appreciate chat, quite the reverse, you need chat to build the interest to become hardcore. A matchmaking system alone is not enough, playing alone is incredibly dull and you don't find your sc2 peers on facebook. Anyone who has ever been to this website is considered a hardcore player. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On June 01 2010 12:19 Mora wrote: Anyone who has ever been to this website is considered a hardcore player. HA Also anyone thinking that this is just a hardcore issue should really check the BNET forums... | ||
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Sadist
United States7310 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:15 Mora wrote: i'm not gonna have many fans here, but i can't say Blizzard has made the wrong decision. The majority (vast majority) of people do not care about chat. It is only important for hardcore players. For the average user, being able to poke your friends on facebook and boot up a game is *way* more important. Friends seeing each other playing sc2 on facebook will further promote more sales. It's a decision that is win/win for community/blizzard. You people don't understand how insignificant you are. If i was an Blizzard exec and looked at these polls, i'd laugh out loud. Like, really loud. This guys makes 2 million dollars (or more?) a year and is making decisions that are improving the sales of a product he is responsible for; and a few nerds in their basements start up a poll where a few thousand of them say they're going to give the game a 1-star rating on Amazon. OH NOES. Don't get me wrong; this interview makes me weep. That the company that changed my life and spurned me into becoming a video game designer has turned its back on the people who love the game the most absolutely saddens me. If i worked at Blizzard, i would be absolutely mortified by this. We considered taking general chat out of my game as well, but i couldn't let it fly. Despite the fact that i really don't think it has much benefit to the bulk of the audience, i just can't turn my back on my roots. I wish that the people making these high-level decisions at Blizzard had similar roots - so important and fundamental that you cannot bear to be betray them. I'm extremely lucky to work for a company that will go the extra mile (when they can) to cater to the hardcore player. I disagree completely. Chat is the most important thing in the game if you want it to last IMO, especially in the RTS community and BW where you already have had these chat systems. Without having chat youll almost never meet people or make friends. It just wont happen. BW was much more fun when my "friends" on bnet were playing everyday and wed all be playing each other (you included). Ive basically been playing ladder only for the past 2-3 years and its not nearly as fun. Sure its competitive, but Im not motivated to play nearly as much as when Id be able to log on and watch replays with Midian or play with HovZ, Saddles, Eerik, or any number of people. An RTS will surely die at a much faster rate without chat channels. FPS games have always functioned on IRC basically so its never been an issue, its also pretty difficult from my experiences to get into those games because I dont know where to go to meet people. By the nature of RPG's /MMO's you meet people anyway and they are more likely to be played with friends IRL than competitive RTS games so youll always have a base with people you know. I guess to some it up, just dont underestimate chat channels in something like this. Facebook is only good for people you already know or have met/IRL or did know at one point. Meeting new people this way will never last. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:33 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Well I think chat channels are great for anyone, who after playing a game, can find the person in their last game to friend. The newbies would benefit equally, if not more, from a onestop place to ask starcraft related questions. Even just a thousand people complaining on facebook, especially if they're the hardcore ones known for starcraft among their school, can spread a pretty big boycotting campaign. Just imagine someone checking out amazon to see starcraft 2 reviews and seeing it having one and a half stars. The flaming is already happening on twitter, blizzard's youtube account (literally flooded), and facebook, and each day... no each second... that Frank Pearce doesn't apologize, for whatever reason, I fear a bigger blow is being dealt to the future community of starcraft 2, and the future of rts games as a whole. Can you recall once where a game was flamed like this? Everyone in rts games is talking about starcraft 2. Every aoe3 forum has a separate starcraft forum, every dota player is switching, every rts gamer in the world is coming to starcraft 2. And in no time in the history of this earth, has an rts game been this big , or had such a large backlash due to the letdown of the people's expectations. There's so much riding on the success of this game, and the fact that there are so many angry people voicing their anger is just scary. I hope you're right, but i honestly don't think you are. No one loves Starcraft more than the people on this website, and 99% of us are still going to buy the game despite these design choices. And now that i think about it, a decent chunk of us will end up buying multiple copies to play cross-realm. I don't want to give them more money, and the thought of doing so makes me want to eat my own shit; but the imagining playing this game without so many of my Starcraft friends is enough to compel me to spend a lousy $50 on an extra copy. If we're still going to buy the game, why do you think anyone else will not? (infact, the idea that we're going buy the game and give it a 1-star vote is quite humours) | ||
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HeavyArmZ
Brazil28 Posts
So, they reply with dubious stuff like "I don't know when feature 'x' it's coming, it might be coming, I'm sure it will come, but I'm also sure it will take years, but then again, nevermind, what were we talking about again?" D3 - 5 years in development. SC2 - 6 years in development. And they can't even add basic stuff to please their old fanbase, which made WoW what it is today, not the idiot casual gamer. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On June 01 2010 12:22 Archerofaiur wrote: HA Also anyone thinking that this is just a hardcore issue should really check the BNET forums... Do you understand what kind of numers we're dealing with? Blizzard has gone the facebook route. They've decided that trying to draw your friends in through facebook - which has a user base of over 400 million users, of which 200 million log on in any given day has more potential for consumer attraction than general chat. And they're right. Anyone who looks up Starcraft on the bnet forums is a considered a border-line hardcore player. Anyone who plays anything outside of single player and games vs AI is considered a border-line harcore player. These people do not care about chat. Their whole design screams of this kind of perspective: Their ranking/leaderboard system, lack-of-chat, achievements, segregation by region, distance from korean e-sport, facebook integration, etc. I hope they're wrong and that taking this course of action bites them in the ass. Anecdotal opinion found here on teamliquid has shown me no evidence how they'd be wrong though. | ||
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RumZ
United States956 Posts
They chose to ignore people requesting chat rooms, as shown from this interview as a prime example. The reason is something we will probably not know about for quite some time, but the important implication is that if we let this go from Blizzard, and remove features without causing a huge problem, we are setting ourselves up for a huge downfall. "How is this a downfall if this is later added in a patch," one might ask, well I have one good prime example. What if!!! - Access to Chatrooms cost a micro transaction - Having access to LAN costs a micro transaction - Having access to the other gateways from the some account costs a micro transaction? Than we are back to square one. If we let this flourish, we will be setting ourselves up for a Blizzard environment later down the line such as: - I know some of you play WoW, how would you feel if you didn't have access to a dungeon unless you paid a small micro transaction? - Hey Diablo fans, want to get to that new act that's being released in a few days? Hand over a couple bucks - Hey starcraft 2 players, want to be able to participate in custom leagues through our interface, hand over a few dollars. (Considering this is already a target of the micro transaction system blizzard is implementing in bnet2.0, I am sure the others aren't so crazy to consider.) - SC2 players want high end replays delivered to their account? The type of thing Bungie does for Halo 3 and downloading maps and screenshots for free, swipe that credit card. I know this sounds pretty drastic fellas, but I think if you spend a few minutes considering the possibilities and what we've seen already. (Look at the boat loads of micro transactions concerning World Of Warcraft.) Including the ability to simply buy a cosmetic change (pets and mounts for real money,) I IMPLORE you all to consider requesting change now. The more we give up and let go before launch, the more we will be shelling out later to enjoy the simple functions of a game that should not be a per cost basis. Act now or pay later. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19188 Posts
[edit] After reading up on some of the blue posts, it sounds like they are saying realms will be unlocked in the same way they are in WoW: you pay $20 to access a different realm. Each time. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Its so damn obvious that this is not gonna happen and Bnet will kill SC2 that it annoys the shit out of everybody. Also, why in the fucking hell does blizzard thinks everyone uses Facebook and Twitter? I dont have a FB account, not even a Twitter account, probably im the minority here, but Im not willing to create FB and Twitter accounts... am I faded to have no friends in SC2??? | ||
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Goga[OEP]
13 Posts
On June 01 2010 12:28 HeavyArmZ wrote: Probably 99% of those blue posts' content is bs, they're just limiting the damage. They don't want the word out about how horrible BNet 2.0 - that would reduce Activision profits. They don't want us telling casual gamers how crappy is the features as far as gameplay goes. That's exactly how it feels to me, they're just getting paid to keep us at bay and somewhat happy. They just try and prevent any serious community response vs Blizz. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On June 01 2010 12:36 Mora wrote: Do you understand what kind of numers we're dealing with? Blizzard has gone the facebook route. They've decided that trying to draw your friends in through facebook - which has a user base of over 400 million users, of which 200 million log on in any given day has more potential for consumer attraction than general chat. And they're right. Anyone who looks up Starcraft on the bnet forums is a considered a border-line hardcore player. Anyone who plays anything outside of single player and games vs AI is considered a border-line harcore player. These people do not care about chat. Their whole design screams of this kind of perspective: Their ranking/leaderboard system, lack-of-chat, achievements, segregation by region, distance from korean e-sport, facebook integration, etc. I hope they're wrong and that taking this course of action bites them in the ass. Anecdotal opinion found here on teamliquid has shown me no evidence how they'd be wrong though. Your quoting facebooks numbers and farmville and such yes. But all those people will not play SC2. If you want accurate numbers you can start by quoting user bases on any RTS. And you calling the BNET forums a hardcore site is laughable. | ||
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