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On June 01 2010 04:30 Daedie wrote:
How can you know how group channels operate if they haven't even been implemented yet?
The only thing I've read is how party chat works, but there's no reason to assume the group chat will work like that.
They said there wont be public chat channels, so, by simple exclusion, this means there will only be private chat channels, which means that to join a private chat you need to know the name or password or w/e for that chat, so you'll most likely need to know the creator of that chat, which means that only people you already know can join that chat, which will make it a so called group chat since its a group of people who know each other. Then there are the clan chats, which is essentially the same with the additional restriction of being able to join those chats only if you're a member of that clan too.Making it pretty much impossible to bond with new people. since asking a guy to be your friend after raping him in ladder doesnt happen very often and when it does it rarely gets an answer that exceeds the length of certain two letters in caps lock, sometimes the loser may ask the winner, but, well, who wants to be friends with a loser.
So, to sum it up:
On June 01 2010 04:17 uiCk wrote:
well, you have a group. and you can chat. and you can probably invite people, to the group, to chat.
(but you need to know these people)
activision sucks.
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Poll: Are you buying Starcraft 2?Waiting to see if Blizz will address the issues first (178) 48% Going to go thorugh with the order despite bnet 2.0 (78) 21% Due to the lack of bnet features I have/will cancel my pre-order (65) 18% I won't purchase any of the expansions unless they get their act together (50) 13% 371 total votes Your vote: Are you buying Starcraft 2? (Vote): Due to the lack of bnet features I have/will cancel my pre-order
(Vote): Waiting to see if Blizz will address the issues first
(Vote): Going to go thorugh with the order despite bnet 2.0
(Vote): I won't purchase any of the expansions unless they get their act together
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I don't understand how not having LAN is better than having LAN support. This notion that connecting to bnet is better than LAN is RETARDED. Many thousands of people will play LAN on SC2 whether Blizzard wants them to or not. Blizzard; people will reverse engineer your game and find a way to LAN up, so why aren't you doing due diligence by doing it right?
Oh how the mighty have fallen Blizzard, you truly are the new fucktards on the block now. You once were my favorite company, but now that title is held by Valve software. Good riddance to you and your bad business.
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I got banned on battle.net forums for 170 hours since I posted about this. I didn't see the big thread now at the first post, which I would have just signed instead. Oh well.. I really hope they listen. I can't believe it has over 1000 replies and not one blue post... figures.
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On June 01 2010 05:58 ggfobster wrote:
I don't understand how not having LAN is better than having LAN support. This notion that connecting to bnet is better than LAN is RETARDED. Many thousands of people will play LAN on SC2 whether Blizzard wants them to or not. Blizzard; people will reverse engineer your game and find a way to LAN up, so why aren't you doing due diligence by doing it right?
Oh how the mighty have fallen Blizzard, you truly are the new fucktards on the block now. You once were my favorite company, but now that title is held by Valve software. Good riddance to you and your bad business.
maybe a lil far fetched but possibly no LAN has to do with korea not being able to just buy the game and play live tournaments through LAN? all of it gets filtered through b.net2.0/blizz
iunno just wanted to put it out there
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I emailed this thread to kotaku in hopes that they will spread the word that we need support for blizzard to hear us out.
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What are gaming websites (big and small) that you guys visit frequently?
Do you think any would be interested in this story?
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Battle.net is so 'cool'!
Terrible interview. Is this guy retarded? He used the word cool to describe everything. I still don't understand blizzard's train of thought on how people are going to make friends without chat channels. I randomly add every person I play after a game and start asking them things like, 'hey do you like pokemon?' to see if we have anything in common? Feels easier to join a 'pokemon' channel.
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The shareholders of activision blizzard should be noted on the threads like these. Obviously a big concern for them as, if not sc2, the next game released by blizzard could get poor volume.
I am very hesitant to buy EA games right now as I see that they release games and then the community dies within a couple of months every time. This could be the case for activision blizzard as well, and if that happens the share will not be worth much. This is especially as it's already valued at a P/E of 46 with SC2 probably being the golden egg that's supposed to lift the company.
On another note the head of blizzard, Morhaime, makes almost $5 mill per year (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/officerProfile?symbol=ATVI.O&officerId=1220217). The net profit of blizzard activision was 113 millions for 2009 making his salary account for about 4.4% of current profit.
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We really need chat rooms, it's a huge part of the game imo. I can do without LAN.
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On June 01 2010 07:20 Xyik wrote:
Battle.net is so 'cool'!
Terrible interview. Is this guy retarded? He used the word cool to describe everything. I still don't understand blizzard's train of thought on how people are going to make friends without chat channels. I randomly add every person I play after a game and start asking them things like, 'hey do you like pokemon?' to see if we have anything in common? Feels easier to join a 'pokemon' channel.
ahh...if it's enough like facebook then you can see their profile and check their info, it'll say under likes, it'll say they like pokemon.
in facebook, the profile options are astounding, much better than profile options in past blizzard games. we'll just have to wait and see just how astounding it will be in sc2.
On June 01 2010 04:33 Jarvs wrote:
I would have never socialised with the majority of the people I did on war3 bnet if it weren't for chat channels. After randomly matching the same people on top of the US.West ladder you begin to build rapport but surely not enough to strike up a private conversation through PMs. Stumbling in to the same chat channel and seeing them there is like seeing them in a pub or at the same party.
This is how most of my connections began and this is how others contacted me.
I liked going in to a chatroom and others saying hi. Others who I knew and others who I did not. I will miss that.
this is all true but you're not noticing perhaps what i noticed about the game coming out that it's more about the games you play...after all people can pause a game and chat right there on the spot. they don't have to chat at the beginning or end of a game they can pause and talk any time during the game and try to become friends...it doesn't have to be in a chat channel.
along that line of reasoning i hope blizzard will make pausing games locked from players unpausing it (besides the pauser)for a standard minute, otherwise i guess you can just figure you won't be friends with the person if they just rudely unpause your game, lol.
On June 01 2010 04:07 Archerofaiur wrote:
Once again Group chat does not equal chat channels.
Some of us are tired of Blizzard telling us who we can and cant play with and what we can and cant talk about. Some of us dont want to wait a year and a half for basic community features.
what part of 'we want to organize chat channels' do you not understand?
quit complaining about there being no chat channels...just be patient, they are coming for you!
On June 01 2010 02:05 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 02:00 Archerofaiur wrote:
There is one part that I think Xordiah is missing. The community has been talking about this for months if not years. Raging...not raging. Ever possible responce under the sun to alert Blizzard to this problem.
And they did nothing. They aren't doing anything about it, YET! Do you know why? Because, it's not a priority currently in the BETA. The BETA is not designed for socializing, and besides, I'm quite sure they said that there would be chat rooms etc, MONTHS AGO, like you say. Just because they don't respond to it immediately, doesn't mean they are not listening, but realize that there are other pressing issues before implementing something trivial as chat rooms. Just be thankful that they choose to implement it, despite all this retarded flaming going on for the past weeks now. Blizzard is not going to be entirely controlled by the users, they make up their minds, because, gasp!, it's their game, however, they will listen to fans, and has always done so. This doesn't mean that ALL TL issues will be addressed immediately, or at your convinience.
lol, that's true. it's not very productive beta testing if they let you chat up storms when you're supposed to be testing for imbalances and bugs.
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dcttrr66 is right, i can just add my cool new-found friend on facebook! then i'll even know what he looks like, where he lives, how hot his girlfriend is and best of all, whether or not he has 'Pokemon' listed as an interest!
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I know I´m bringing a lot of pain, or joy (?), with these word from BASHIOK (D3 moderator)
There will be chat rooms, they're just not making launch. Probably.
[ed] So Frank was out for interviews in EU it seems (?) and said something to the effect of "no chat rooms" but there would be chat for guilds and groups. Which is more or less what was said before. That it would be more about getting people into focused discussions instead of just having free for all chat systems. In any case, I don't know a lot about it. Personally, chat rooms are soooooo 2002.
Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25171927052&postId=251691319148&sid=3000#15
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On June 01 2010 07:40 dcttr66 wrote:
what part of 'we want to organize chat channels' do you not understand?
quit complaining about there being no chat channels...just be patient, they are coming for you!
The part were Blizzard puts in a clan chat room a year after release and calls that "chat channels".
Now what part of that dont you understand?
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that post seems to indicate that you think you know blizzard well enough that you know that is what they are going to do.
that, or you just want to relentlessly challenge them without mercy. which i suppose is your prerogative. it's your thread.
On June 01 2010 01:13 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:09 Kacas wrote:
true. that answer was after the first question. and "organize chat channels" is something to be aware.
Chat channels is simple. is a YES or NO question. why organize? the community always organize by themselves. i will search for husky video because i still don´t have idea why would they organize the chat channels. maybe because is so 2000´s I'd suspect that part of the issue is the moderation. In newer games, they have to put staff in charge of policing and watching for abuse. If 30 year olds start using SC2 chat channels to seduce underage kids, that's a MASSIVE PR issue. It flies in BW because it's in the past and not in the limelight, I'd imagine. But for a new service for potentially millions of users, it's a massive issue. They'd have to bring a lot more staff onboard to handle disputes. Just think of WoW and all the reporting that goes on there. I'm sure they also did some studies and found that most people will just log onto the chat and then go to a private channel to communicate with friends. They figure they can support that method of communication while avoiding the pitfalls and dangers of supporting public chat channels. I'm not saying the choice is right, I'm just saying the choice has rationale that people aren't considering in the least. It's not like they just chose to flip the community the bird.
yay. someone was using his imagination. i'm honored to have met you, Takkara.
On June 01 2010 01:06 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:01 Lollersauce wrote:On June 01 2010 00:49 MasterFischer wrote:
Why do people insist on spouting incorrect information?
THERE WILL BE CHAT CHANNELS, just not in the beta, is that so incredibly hard to understand or do I have to draw you a fucking picture? I think you missed the part where what sparked all this rage is Frank Pearce aka the VP of Blizzard saying there would be no chat channels, and asking "do you really want chatrooms"? If he's not legit as a Blizzard rep., then I don't know who is. The issue is that in a casual interview you might put things flippantly that don't translate well to word-by-word consideration. They've clearly said they have plans for chat channels, but not all kinds of chat channels. They're unlikely to make public chat channels, and they're not having chat channels for release. But there will be chat channels, if for nothing else than for clans and groups, but it's not clear what a "group" is. It's conceivable, but not confirmed in any way, that there could likewise be chat channels for tournaments, which is a central component of the complaint in the first place. Watch the video, he says "how much english do you really need to kick someone's ass?" Is he REALLY saying that they never considered the issues of the language barrier and completely 100% believe that you don't need to communicate with people to play SC2? No of course not. They made a weighed decision, and he's joking around a little bit with his answer. Clearly though the roused mob is not looking for nuance in the interview and instead rallying around the literal answer.
yeah man, the guy getting interviewed would typically stop answering a question when he satisfied the person asking the questions during the interview. obviously the person handling the interview wasn't any of the complainers here in this thread, otherwise they wouldn't be complaining as they are now.
or in some cases...(rather than simply complaining) raging. I would agree with blizzard that there is raging complaining going on. although to be more precise i believe the word we're looking for is murmuring.
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My issues
- Chat channels
- Cross region play
- LAN after Battle.net validation
- Clan system
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On June 01 2010 08:16 dcttr66 wrote:
that post seems to indicate that you think you know blizzard well enough that you know that is what they are going to do.
I know only what Blizzard has said. They have stated they are restricting chat channels to clans and other "group interests". They have indicated there will be no looking for group or general socializing channels.
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On June 01 2010 08:10 pR0gR4m3R wrote:I know I´m bringing a lot of pain, or joy (?), with these word from BASHIOK (D3 moderator) Show nested quote +There will be chat rooms, they're just not making launch. Probably.
[ed] So Frank was out for interviews in EU it seems (?) and said something to the effect of "no chat rooms" but there would be chat for guilds and groups. Which is more or less what was said before. That it would be more about getting people into focused discussions instead of just having free for all chat systems. In any case, I don't know a lot about it. Personally, chat rooms are soooooo 2002.
Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25171927052&postId=251691319148&sid=3000#15
We already saw that. Basically it is clan chat. How are you going to form clans if there is no general chat to recruit from? How are you going to meet people to invite to the chat?
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you meet people in games. honestly it's so easy to just pull up all the names of everyone you've played with...make a list of them and start messaging them asking them to join your clan
and you know what? it's a lot of fun. we've done it in warcraft 3, and it'll be even easier in starcraft 2.
now i've already said that, if you don't get it after the second time, i guess i can say it a third time in another 5-25 pages or so.
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On June 01 2010 08:40 dcttr66 wrote:
you meet people in games. honestly it's so easy to just pull up all the names of everyone you've played with...make a list of them and start messaging them asking them to join your clan
and you know what? it's a lot of fun. we've done it in warcraft 3, and it'll be even easier in starcraft 2.
now i've already said that, if you don't get it after the second time, i guess i can say it a third time in another 5-25 pages or so.
"oh you can meet people in games"
lol Your not really getting the point of all this are you? Its kind of like Frank saying "oh you can just buy more games to play your friend who lives in europe" :p
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