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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 05:45:31
June 15 2010 05:45 GMT
#2261
Nobody from Blizzard sits and monitors the public chat channels in WoW. You just type whatever and hope someone doesn't report you. It's not like you get more than a warning anyway. Why would Starcraft 2 be so special to require additional staff?
There's no S in KT. :P
wonksaggin
Profile Joined March 2010
United States73 Posts
June 15 2010 06:12 GMT
#2262
On June 15 2010 14:45 Baarn wrote:
Nobody from Blizzard sits and monitors the public chat channels in WoW. You just type whatever and hope someone doesn't report you. It's not like you get more than a warning anyway. Why would Starcraft 2 be so special to require additional staff?


i believe its because SC2 is rated TEEN
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
June 15 2010 06:17 GMT
#2263
On June 15 2010 15:12 wonksaggin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 14:45 Baarn wrote:
Nobody from Blizzard sits and monitors the public chat channels in WoW. You just type whatever and hope someone doesn't report you. It's not like you get more than a warning anyway. Why would Starcraft 2 be so special to require additional staff?


i believe its because SC2 is rated TEEN



So is WoW.
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
June 15 2010 07:19 GMT
#2264
On June 15 2010 14:11 Takkara wrote:
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On June 15 2010 13:48 DigitalD[562] wrote:
On June 15 2010 12:20 Takkara wrote:
On June 15 2010 11:48 Goga[OEP] wrote:
On June 15 2010 09:56 Archerofaiur wrote:
there is an ongoing active discussion with bashiok over moderation and chat channels (he seems to be implying that blizzard cant afford to hire enough moderators to police BNET 2.0)

While im organizing all the blue responces ill just post the link so you guys can check it out

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25399921649&postId=253972569059&sid=3000#75



Bashiok why was the main reason for no chat due to spam?

Wouldn't the whole "One account one cd key" eliminate the possibility of people spamming? simply permaban and force them to buy a new one if they want to spam.




Who is banning them, and what is generating their pay to patrol/moderate millions of users?
-Bashiok

This just further illustrates the fact that they care about money. I mean how much would it cost to hire a few moderators to go through spam reported by other users? Not a lot comparing to the sales they will make from this game.


WoW uses over 2k game masters, let's say SC2 uses 1/4th of that. Let's say the game lasts 4 years. 40k/yr salary.

500 x 4 x 40000 = $80,000,000

That's lowballing it. And they don't get monthly fees to recoup that. It's more costly than you'd think.


Your estimates are wildly over-blown. A more realistic number of B.net GMs is likely 100. And many will be split between SC2 and D3. The time investment needed to police B.net is probably only three years, assuming this is when the last D3 expansion comes out. Lastly the salaries of employees are much lower in many regions outside of the U.S. I think an average salary of 20k (or less) is more realistic.

100 x 3 x 20,000 = $6,000,000

Now, six million dollars spent on two games over a three year period equates to only an additional three million into the development budget for each game. That is well worth the cost of investment given the stated goals for Blizzards new B.net.

I think my numbers illustrate that the "real" cost of monitoring B.net is negligible. Furthermore, the monetized UGC will further offset cost on the part of Blizzard.


You really think you can monitor and police potentially millions of users worldwide 24 hours a day with only 100 people? You really think the game will last only 3 years? You really think the average salary of all their worldwide employees and support staff will be only 20,000?

I'm sorry but you're massively massively underestimating things. Neither of us has the figures in front of us, so it's fruitless to take this argument much farther than this, but I'm sorry, you're just way underestimating.

Actually he isn't underestimating it really :p It's even lower.
You'd be surprised at how many ppl would want to be a gm for way less than 20k/y salary
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 07:35:46
June 15 2010 07:34 GMT
#2265
-retracted-
Too Busy to Troll!
Klumaster
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom36 Posts
June 15 2010 13:45 GMT
#2266
On June 15 2010 16:19 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 14:11 Takkara wrote:
On June 15 2010 13:48 DigitalD[562] wrote:
On June 15 2010 12:20 Takkara wrote:
On June 15 2010 11:48 Goga[OEP] wrote:
On June 15 2010 09:56 Archerofaiur wrote:
there is an ongoing active discussion with bashiok over moderation and chat channels (he seems to be implying that blizzard cant afford to hire enough moderators to police BNET 2.0)

While im organizing all the blue responces ill just post the link so you guys can check it out

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25399921649&postId=253972569059&sid=3000#75



Bashiok why was the main reason for no chat due to spam?

Wouldn't the whole "One account one cd key" eliminate the possibility of people spamming? simply permaban and force them to buy a new one if they want to spam.




Who is banning them, and what is generating their pay to patrol/moderate millions of users?
-Bashiok

This just further illustrates the fact that they care about money. I mean how much would it cost to hire a few moderators to go through spam reported by other users? Not a lot comparing to the sales they will make from this game.


WoW uses over 2k game masters, let's say SC2 uses 1/4th of that. Let's say the game lasts 4 years. 40k/yr salary.

500 x 4 x 40000 = $80,000,000

That's lowballing it. And they don't get monthly fees to recoup that. It's more costly than you'd think.


Your estimates are wildly over-blown. A more realistic number of B.net GMs is likely 100. And many will be split between SC2 and D3. The time investment needed to police B.net is probably only three years, assuming this is when the last D3 expansion comes out. Lastly the salaries of employees are much lower in many regions outside of the U.S. I think an average salary of 20k (or less) is more realistic.

100 x 3 x 20,000 = $6,000,000

Now, six million dollars spent on two games over a three year period equates to only an additional three million into the development budget for each game. That is well worth the cost of investment given the stated goals for Blizzards new B.net.

I think my numbers illustrate that the "real" cost of monitoring B.net is negligible. Furthermore, the monetized UGC will further offset cost on the part of Blizzard.


You really think you can monitor and police potentially millions of users worldwide 24 hours a day with only 100 people? You really think the game will last only 3 years? You really think the average salary of all their worldwide employees and support staff will be only 20,000?

I'm sorry but you're massively massively underestimating things. Neither of us has the figures in front of us, so it's fruitless to take this argument much farther than this, but I'm sorry, you're just way underestimating.

Actually he isn't underestimating it really :p It's even lower.
You'd be surprised at how many ppl would want to be a gm for way less than 20k/y salary


But they wouldn't be a GM, they'd just be a chat-channel babysitter. Seems less exciting than a full-blown MMO GM.
The thief, Black Leaf, did not find the poison trap, and I declare her dead.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 15 2010 14:10 GMT
#2267
You guys realize all that stuff can be done through software, right? Technically, Blizzard wouldn't need anyone monitoring channels. ._.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 15:47:23
June 15 2010 15:46 GMT
#2268
On June 15 2010 13:51 Holzmann wrote:
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On June 15 2010 12:35 Plethora wrote:I'm not expecting the world here, I have what I feel to be realistic expectations.

I hear you. I have one simple problem: I'm moving to a different country a few months after release. I've scoured the SC2 beta forums as well as this forum looking for a simple answer: will I be forced to play in the region I buy the game in or will I be able to play in the realm where I'll be living? I expected to find a simple answer because and I've never played a video game where this was even a potential problem. I didn't find an answer, so I e-mailed Blizzard support. Their reply? Go to the SC2 forums. I replied that I, of course, already did that and I e-mailed them because I couldn't find an answer there. I just got a reply to my second e-mail:

Show nested quote +
Blizzard Entertainment - World of Warcraft

Thank you for submitting this information. We are committed to making World of Warcraft as enjoyable as possible. We apologize if our GM support staff has been unable to resolve this issue to your satisfaction. Your concerns will be forwarded to the appropriate departments. While we cannot guarantee a response, we can assure you it will be read and addressed.

If you have any further questions or problems regarding World of Warcraft, please feel free to contact us at WowGmFeedback-US@blizzard.com.


This is from Blizzard. I would have never expected this kind of incompetence and disrespect from a company like Blizzard, which was, up until very recently, one of the few companies in any industry I had any kind of trust in. All I had was a simple question and I'm left with this bitter realization that Blizzard isn't the company I thought it was. I cancelled my preorder and I've lost all the excitement over SC2 I've built up over the past few years.


Wow....I mean no I guess I did mean Wow


Just Wow. Thats depressing.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
XenoJesus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States72 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 16:12:28
June 15 2010 15:52 GMT
#2269
There is no way that chat channels and LAN will be completely out of the question for SC2. Those are two very integral parts of RTS gaming, and online gaming communities in general. At some point, they will arrive.

As for cross-realm play, Blizzard (or just Activision) may just stay greedy, I hope not though.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 15 2010 15:53 GMT
#2270
Your solution to moderators is to higher cheap Indian workers with no accountability or experience to cut costs?

You realize in many circles that defines "Corporate greed" and "exploitation" and "Poor customer support" right?
Too Busy to Troll!
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
June 15 2010 16:13 GMT
#2271
On June 16 2010 00:52 XenoJesus wrote:
There is no way that chat channels and LAN will be completely out of the question for SC2. Those are two very integral parts of RTS gaming, and online gaming communities in general. At some point, they will arrive.

As for cross-realm play, Blizzard may just stay greedy, I hope not though.


You cant be serious. -_-

There WONT be chat channels, there will be 'group chat'.
There WONT be LAN, Ever... dont even think for a moment blizzard will give the playerbase any means to play sc2 online without going through b.net.
There WONT be cross-realm play, not until maybe the second expansion.

How do I know? Because do you really think blizzard after all these years of planing b.net would all of a sudden go the opposite direction because of a few SC fansites say its 'necessary' for esports? Thinking otherwise is just being naive and optimistic.

Best thing you can do? Give them a 1 star on amazon, acquire a copy from someplace or someone to play singeplayer, and await for someone to make a emulator for b.net (LAN).
"two is way better than twice as one" - artosis
GGruss
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden121 Posts
June 15 2010 16:30 GMT
#2272
You won't need to monitor everything if malignant spam and insults etc leads to revoked access to battle.net. Naturally you'd need real persons at least for the appeals, but I imagine most of the day to day can be taken care of by software.
Goga[OEP]
Profile Joined June 2010
13 Posts
June 15 2010 18:07 GMT
#2273
Some of you hit right on exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my last post. You don't need a multitude of 'GMs' to police SC2 chat channels, just get a few moderators that would go through reports submitted by other users in regard to spam adverts and hacks. They would require at tops 20-30 people to do this. And like someone said with regards to D3 and such, these guys would read reports from the entire BNET2.0. That is saying that we already HAVE these people monitoring reports from WoW, and as soon as WoW joins BNET 2.0 we will have them there to read through reports. So you don't even need to hire alot more than they already have. Thus in my opinion the idea of dropping chat channels due to spam is just bogus.
Kindred
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada396 Posts
June 15 2010 18:40 GMT
#2274
Its fucking disgusting. That's all I have to say.
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Skee
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 18:48:52
June 15 2010 18:46 GMT
#2275
Starcraft II Professional edition will include LAN and be available to tournament organizers and probably major LAN host.

Battle.net 2.0 will evolve rapidly by the second expansion I have no reason to think there will not be chat channels, maybe not at release. Would you rather have them delay it 3 months?

Nothing can be said about cross-realm play right now, but I imagine that it will be possible by Legacy of The Void.

On June 15 2010 15:12 wonksaggin wrote:
Nobody from Blizzard sits and monitors the public chat channels in WoW. You just type whatever and hope someone doesn't report you. It's not like you get more than a warning anyway. Why would Starcraft 2 be so special to require additional staff?

Censoring can be turned off in the options. It would not matter if Starcraft II was rated Teen because ESRB does not rate online interactions.
Radiomouse
Profile Joined November 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
June 15 2010 19:13 GMT
#2276
On June 16 2010 03:46 mity wrote:
Starcraft II Professional edition will include LAN and be available to tournament organizers and probably major LAN host.

Battle.net 2.0 will evolve rapidly by the second expansion I have no reason to think there will not be chat channels, maybe not at release. Would you rather have them delay it 3 months?

Nothing can be said about cross-realm play right now, but I imagine that it will be possible by Legacy of The Void.


If a game developer spends 3 months on implementing a function they already have lying about i would think that they should get their act together.

And about cross-realm play, there is no reason to assume they will put it in later, seeing as how it also is a function they already have had on their games four times, fitting it in should NOT take 2 years.

If people still think blizzard leaves out LAN, Chat rooms and cross region interaction because of limitations to their coding staff i think you might slightly be overestimating the effort these already implemented functions on their old servers are to code. Or you think theres a bunch of lower primates working at blizzard.
Darpinion
Profile Joined January 2010
United States210 Posts
June 15 2010 19:19 GMT
#2277
If you can't tell why they're not implementing LAN and other features that have been in every generation of Blizz games since the technology was available and you don't see the connection between that and Activision - may god have mercy on your soul.
"A well formulated question is more important than the answer." -Albert Einstein
XenoJesus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States72 Posts
June 15 2010 20:07 GMT
#2278
On June 16 2010 01:13 Energizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2010 00:52 XenoJesus wrote:
There is no way that chat channels and LAN will be completely out of the question for SC2. Those are two very integral parts of RTS gaming, and online gaming communities in general. At some point, they will arrive.

As for cross-realm play, Blizzard may just stay greedy, I hope not though.


You cant be serious. -_-

There WONT be chat channels, there will be 'group chat'.
There WONT be LAN, Ever... dont even think for a moment blizzard will give the playerbase any means to play sc2 online without going through b.net.
There WONT be cross-realm play, not until maybe the second expansion.

How do I know? Because do you really think blizzard after all these years of planing b.net would all of a sudden go the opposite direction because of a few SC fansites say its 'necessary' for esports? Thinking otherwise is just being naive and optimistic.

Best thing you can do? Give them a 1 star on amazon, acquire a copy from someplace or someone to play singeplayer, and await for someone to make a emulator for b.net (LAN).



You CAN'T be serious, either.

No one "knows" anything for sure, yet. It's all speculation; the game is in beta!

We're all so angry over things not 100% confirmed yet.

Yeah, the future doesn't look exceptionally bright for these features but it doesn't rule them 100% out of the question.
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 20:19:36
June 15 2010 20:17 GMT
#2279
On June 16 2010 01:13 Energizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2010 00:52 XenoJesus wrote:
There is no way that chat channels and LAN will be completely out of the question for SC2. Those are two very integral parts of RTS gaming, and online gaming communities in general. At some point, they will arrive.

As for cross-realm play, Blizzard may just stay greedy, I hope not though.


You cant be serious. -_-

There WONT be chat channels, there will be 'group chat'.
There WONT be LAN, Ever... dont even think for a moment blizzard will give the playerbase any means to play sc2 online without going through b.net.
There WONT be cross-realm play, not until maybe the second expansion.

How do I know? Because do you really think blizzard after all these years of planing b.net would all of a sudden go the opposite direction because of a few SC fansites say its 'necessary' for esports? Thinking otherwise is just being naive and optimistic.

Best thing you can do? Give them a 1 star on amazon, acquire a copy from someplace or someone to play singeplayer, and await for someone to make a emulator for b.net (LAN).


There's a thread on TL about how Baishok recently made a post saying there will be private chat channels (thread here), and they announced a SC2 version for tournament organizers with LAN included (which I'm sure will be pirated soon enough, followed by an official release).

The "solution" to any of these problems is not to give false ratings on Amazon. It's not an active way of addressing the problems, just another forum to complain about them on.

Edit: messed up the link
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
June 15 2010 20:22 GMT
#2280
LAN functionality is always there lol. They've had LAN1 since day 1 of the game development. It had to be there for the game to be played internally.
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