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On June 16 2010 05:17 AJMcSpiffy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 01:13 Energizer wrote:On June 16 2010 00:52 XenoJesus wrote:
There is no way that chat channels and LAN will be completely out of the question for SC2. Those are two very integral parts of RTS gaming, and online gaming communities in general. At some point, they will arrive.
As for cross-realm play, Blizzard may just stay greedy, I hope not though. You cant be serious. -_- There WONT be chat channels, there will be 'group chat'. There WONT be LAN, Ever... dont even think for a moment blizzard will give the playerbase any means to play sc2 online without going through b.net. There WONT be cross-realm play, not until maybe the second expansion. How do I know? Because do you really think blizzard after all these years of planing b.net would all of a sudden go the opposite direction because of a few SC fansites say its 'necessary' for esports? Thinking otherwise is just being naive and optimistic. Best thing you can do? Give them a 1 star on amazon, acquire a copy from someplace or someone to play singeplayer, and await for someone to make a emulator for b.net (LAN). There's a thread on TL about how Baishok recently made a post saying there will be private chat channels ( thread here), and they announced a SC2 version for tournament organizers with LAN included (which I'm sure will be pirated soon enough, followed by an official release). The "solution" to any of these problems is not to give false ratings on Amazon. It's not an active way of addressing the problems, just another forum to complain about them on. Edit: messed up the link
Quotes are in this thread's OP in chronological order along with all other recent blue quotes on BNET 2.0.
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On June 16 2010 05:22 iloahz wrote:
LAN functionality is always there lol. They've had LAN1 since day 1 of the game development. It had to be there for the game to be played internally.
This is a pretty stupid thing to say. They could just be using their private, in-house Bnet2 server.
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On June 16 2010 05:34 Artosis Fan Num230!! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 05:22 iloahz wrote:
LAN functionality is always there lol. They've had LAN1 since day 1 of the game development. It had to be there for the game to be played internally. This is a pretty stupid thing to say. They could just be using their private, in-house Bnet2 server.
Actually they were playing SC2 alpha before BNET 2.0 was even considered for development. That was done via lan.
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On June 16 2010 00:53 Half wrote:
Your solution to moderators is to higher cheap Indian workers with no accountability or experience to cut costs?
this is just pure horse shit right here .. these " indians" you speak poorly of are the ones you call when you don't know shit about your P.C., sure they may not have accountability, but most of these "indians" are experienced and can deal with any simple moderation and technical issues of the problem at hand .. so stop generalizing.
seriously. for those of you that think that Blizzard will listen to every problem delivered via "contact GM" in WoW? you are posting on a wrong thread .. Blizzard doesn't read them all .. they have like 5 or LESS (like idk 2?) capable GMs per realm and they take shifts. and they are being payed less than what you think.
Think before you post .. how many online players per realm are there at one point? how many insignificant question will be sent by these players per day or per 12 hours? how many GMs are online at one point? face it ..
Blizzard: Do you really want chat rooms? because we dont moderate them and we prefer to pay our lawyers than our employees because it costs money if your mommy or daddy sue us for offensive content typed by your buddies online like word poo-poo or urine.
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Make a mod with chat rooms.
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On June 16 2010 09:13 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 00:53 Half wrote:
Your solution to moderators is to higher cheap Indian workers with no accountability or experience to cut costs?
this is just pure horse shit right here .. these " indians" you speak poorly of are the ones you call when you don't know shit about your P.C., sure they may not have accountability, but most of these "indians" are experienced and can deal with any simple moderation and technical issues of the problem at hand .. so stop generalizing. seriously. for those of you that think that Blizzard will listen to every problem delivered via "contact GM" in WoW? you are posting on a wrong thread .. Blizzard doesn't read them all .. they have like 5 or LESS (like idk 2?) capable GMs per realm and they take shifts. and they are being payed less than what you think. Think before you post .. how many online players per realm are there at one point? how many insignificant question will be sent by these players per day or per 12 hours? how many GMs are online at one point? face it .. Blizzard: Do you really want chat rooms? because we dont moderate them and we prefer to pay our lawyers than our employees because it costs money if your mommy or daddy sue us for offensive content typed by your buddies online like word poo-poo or urine.
Yeah, but they can just put something in the EULA and prevent themselves from getting sued.
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Blizzard: Do you really want chat rooms? because we dont moderate them and we prefer to pay our lawyers than our employees because it costs money if your mommy or daddy sue us for offensive content typed by your buddies online like word poo-poo or urine.
Well shit, I really hope they don't get sued by any of the players in the four other active online games they have going at the moment. I don't know if you've played any multiplayer online game recently but... uh... lots of crap gets said that no one pays attention to (or cares about).
Not to mention the fact that the auto censer is on by default anyway. Neither you nor Blizzard should start acting like the surprised parents when they realize "people on the internet can say the 'n-word' and get away with it?!?!?!". Get with the program.
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On June 16 2010 09:13 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 00:53 Half wrote:
Your solution to moderators is to higher cheap Indian workers with no accountability or experience to cut costs?
this is just pure horse shit right here .. these " indians" you speak poorly of are the ones you call when you don't know shit about your P.C., sure they may not have accountability, but most of these "indians" are experienced and can deal with any simple moderation and technical issues of the problem at hand .. so stop generalizing. seriously. for those of you that think that Blizzard will listen to every problem delivered via "contact GM" in WoW? you are posting on a wrong thread .. Blizzard doesn't read them all .. they have like 5 or LESS (like idk 2?) capable GMs per realm and they take shifts. and they are being payed less than what you think. Think before you post .. how many online players per realm are there at one point? how many insignificant question will be sent by these players per day or per 12 hours? how many GMs are online at one point? face it .. Blizzard: Do you really want chat rooms? because we dont moderate them and we prefer to pay our lawyers than our employees because it costs money if your mommy or daddy sue us for offensive content typed by your buddies online like word poo-poo or urine.
Have you ever played WoW? Believe it or not, almost all the shit (regardless of how stupid it is) gets a response from a GM.
Blizzard doesn't have an office in India and outsourcing would go against the company's core values. Also, reading out of a manual is not called experience.
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Holy crap. I've taken a look at this thread several times in the past couple weeks and saw the poll back when it only had around 4000 total votes. I took a look at it again and it has almost 10,000 votes. Man this community has grown. And if, just at Team Liquid, we manage to get 9,500 people to vote and voice their concern over Battle.net 2.0 then Blizzard really has to be taking this seriously.
On June 16 2010 05:34 Artosis Fan Num230!! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 05:22 iloahz wrote:
LAN functionality is always there lol. They've had LAN1 since day 1 of the game development. It had to be there for the game to be played internally. This is a pretty stupid thing to say. They could just be using their private, in-house Bnet2 server.
Not really, it would have been far easier to setup a Lan through the game then wait for Battle.net 2.0 to be ready to use. The game has been in development since 2005, I doubt Battle.net 2.0 has been in development for longer than three years and I doubt its been in a usable state for SC2 for one of those years.
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On June 16 2010 09:30 Chuiu wrote:
I've taken a look at this thread several times in the past couple weeks and saw the poll back when it only had around 4000 total votes. I took a look at it again and it has almost 10,000 votes. Man this community has grown.
Just to put it in perspective, on youtube there are 500,000 views of the Starcraft Commercial. There are 300,000 views of Husky's "State of BNET 2.0" video.
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Thanks to everyone for helping us hit TEN THOUSAND POLLED PLAYERS!
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userpoll/draw.php?poll_id=9787) Beautiful
I have added several items related to the BNET situation to the OP including recent posts by a blue requesting player feedback for Oceanic realm latency and two awesome/funny BNET protest videos. SMIX's BNET "Torn" video is notably incredible and if you like her work definatly comment here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131267
Also we appear to be making allot of progress specifially on the cross realm play issue. Bashiok has said there there will be "something" that they are "planning" to have avalible the first few months after release.
Getting people online, playing and interacting is obviously the overall goal for the Battle.net platform, and that includes allowing people to play across regional boundaries as they have in the past.
Unfortunately, there are a multitude of challenges we have to overcome due to the unique regional account and billing options that didn't exist in the past. But those hurdles aren't insurmountable, and we are looking into solutions that will allow interested players to obtain access to other regional versions without having to buy another full copy of the game. Those solutions are something we're currently planning to have available through Battle.net Account Management within the first few months of StarCraft II's release.
Before that solution is implemented though, you're correct in that you'd need to purchase a US copy of the game on launch day to play in the US region.
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25171934229&postId=253974380205&sid=3000#54
Allot of people dont like how he worded it as it almost sounds like this will be a microtransaction feature.
As always write to your Blue representative and tell him how important this issue is!
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On June 16 2010 09:28 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 09:13 aimaimaim wrote:On June 16 2010 00:53 Half wrote:
Your solution to moderators is to higher cheap Indian workers with no accountability or experience to cut costs?
this is just pure horse shit right here .. these " indians" you speak poorly of are the ones you call when you don't know shit about your P.C., sure they may not have accountability, but most of these "indians" are experienced and can deal with any simple moderation and technical issues of the problem at hand .. so stop generalizing. seriously. for those of you that think that Blizzard will listen to every problem delivered via "contact GM" in WoW? you are posting on a wrong thread .. Blizzard doesn't read them all .. they have like 5 or LESS (like idk 2?) capable GMs per realm and they take shifts. and they are being payed less than what you think. Think before you post .. how many online players per realm are there at one point? how many insignificant question will be sent by these players per day or per 12 hours? how many GMs are online at one point? face it .. Blizzard: Do you really want chat rooms? because we dont moderate them and we prefer to pay our lawyers than our employees because it costs money if your mommy or daddy sue us for offensive content typed by your buddies online like word poo-poo or urine. Have you ever played WoW? Believe it or not, almost all the shit (regardless of how stupid it is) gets a response from a GM. Blizzard doesn't have an office in India and outsourcing would go against the company's core values. Also, reading out of a manual is not called experience.
first, not all .. i have IRL friends playing WoW since vanilla but then stopped when WotLK was released and NO they dont answer all of them especially the rather serious once .. if they will answer, it takes 2-4 days to get a reply..
second, I know they dont have, but then again, i think you dont know what those call center agencies in india or china do. they dont read manuals, they are trained for a month or so and those who doesn't learn doesn't get the job. ive took a job like that once. ITS HORRIBLE, i was being abused by the company by forcing me to make extra-hours and the callers, whom we cater, are a bunch of ignorant schmuks who doesn't know anything about computers aside from browsing porn.
Moderating a channel is a very easy job. some of the posters regarding the issue about blizzard not hiring mods to moderate chans are exaggerating and plain dumb.
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Bashioks response to the uproar that this will be a charged feature:
Well let's not get crazy before there's actual information. Right now we're focusing on the game, the Battle.net infrastructure, etc. and making sure the launch goes smoothly. There's been no decisions or even design work done on how the cross-region licenses will work. We know that we're going to do them, but aside from that there aren't any details available. When we have some we'll definitely let you know.
Who here isnt suspicious?
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Looks like it's time to change the title of this thread to "Blizzard plans chat channels and cross realm play".
I'm glad the haters in this thread were proven wrong and Blizzard has responded with affirmation, "Yes, we get that you want channels. We planned them all along but they're enhanced chat channels aka groups so Frank spun it wrong, sorry about that. In addition, we know you want cross realm play. It's a little different than Battle.net 1.0 as our payment plan is different in Russia, South America, China, Southeast Asia than it was with SC:BW but we will implement a solution in a patch."
Looks like Blizzard just tossed out a great big pacifier to all the whiners, most of whom managed to congregate in this thread. Thank you Blizzard :-)
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On June 17 2010 09:12 Archerofaiur wrote:Bashioks response to the uproar that this will be a charged feature: Show nested quote +Well let's not get crazy before there's actual information. Right now we're focusing on the game, the Battle.net infrastructure, etc. and making sure the launch goes smoothly. There's been no decisions or even design work done on how the cross-region licenses will work. We know that we're going to do them, but aside from that there aren't any details available. When we have some we'll definitely let you know. Who here isnt suspicious?
Uproar=Two posts, one of them by me?
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On June 17 2010 17:59 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 09:12 Archerofaiur wrote:Bashioks response to the uproar that this will be a charged feature: Well let's not get crazy before there's actual information. Right now we're focusing on the game, the Battle.net infrastructure, etc. and making sure the launch goes smoothly. There's been no decisions or even design work done on how the cross-region licenses will work. We know that we're going to do them, but aside from that there aren't any details available. When we have some we'll definitely let you know. Who here isnt suspicious? Uproar=Two posts, one of them by me?
Which of you two aren't perpetually suspicious by anything and everything?
Blue observes: "The sky is blue"
Archer responds: "zomg! They're gonna make us pay for the sky now!!"
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On June 17 2010 09:12 Archerofaiur wrote:Bashioks response to the uproar that this will be a charged feature: Show nested quote +Well let's not get crazy before there's actual information. Right now we're focusing on the game, the Battle.net infrastructure, etc. and making sure the launch goes smoothly. There's been no decisions or even design work done on how the cross-region licenses will work. We know that we're going to do them, but aside from that there aren't any details available. When we have some we'll definitely let you know. Who here isnt suspicious?
This seems a bit too vague to really say much...
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On June 17 2010 17:59 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 09:12 Archerofaiur wrote:Bashioks response to the uproar that this will be a charged feature: Well let's not get crazy before there's actual information. Right now we're focusing on the game, the Battle.net infrastructure, etc. and making sure the launch goes smoothly. There's been no decisions or even design work done on how the cross-region licenses will work. We know that we're going to do them, but aside from that there aren't any details available. When we have some we'll definitely let you know. Who here isnt suspicious? Uproar=Two posts, one of them by me?
lol
You should go back and read the thread I was referencing. There was a huge number of posters concerned that this would be a charged feature.
I love it when the oppositions arguement is "oh its just you and a couple other guys". Its the same kinda sentiment that lead Blizzard to believe the community wasnt that concerned about all these key features.
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Speculation, misinformation, assumption 1. Accurate information 0.
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Bashiok says that cross realm play will be avalible "within the first few months of Starcraft II's release" June 16th
Getting people online, playing and interacting is obviously the overall goal for the Battle.net platform, and that includes allowing people to play across regional boundaries as they have in the past.
Unfortunately, there are a multitude of challenges we have to overcome due to the unique regional account and billing options that didn't exist in the past. But those hurdles aren't insurmountable, and we are looking into solutions that will allow interested players to obtain access to other regional versions without having to buy another full copy of the game. Those solutions are something we're currently planning to have available through Battle.net Account Management within the first few months of StarCraft II's release.
Before that solution is implemented though, you're correct in that you'd need to purchase a US copy of the game on launch day to play in the US region.
This totally sounds like they are planning to charge like 15$ to realm change similar to how that worked in wow....
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