EPTHow cheated is a Gaming Mouse with Macro ? - Page 10
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
Having that mouse that will execute multiple actions in just 1 click IS Cheating. Macro's in a RTS ?? are you serious? You WoW players need to stay away from this game, not everything revolves around WoW. | ||
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
People arguing against this are literally saying it's cheating because you can build a depot a quarter of a second faster. No one is going to go to the effort of making a macro to do this, especially if they're already in the habit of building depots normally. I've had a keyboard with macro keys since 2005, and since then I've never seen one instance of people using them for an RTS and it being a big scandal or anything. If you're using keys to automate things you're bad, period. Good players don't do this shit. It's not like a maphack where you all of a sudden gain a massive advantage. | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
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wrath76
United States6 Posts
Using a headset to communicate in a 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 is allowed even though it can give you significant advantage on your opponents. Blizzard having all of the above at their headquarters makes this all rather funny. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072 day9's visit to blizzard hq, look at all those G5's and G15's. | ||
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Mudd
Sweden27 Posts
On May 23 2010 14:02 Tropics wrote: Everyone commenting and saying "omg its so unfair" does not own these keyboards/mice and has never tested this stuff. I've dicked around versus the computer with tons of different macros in brood war and I haven't come up with a single one that is significantly easier enough that its worth the lack of control you have with a macro. The problem with these things is that they are static and require perfect conditions. If you feel like that, you just downright suck at scripting. If I constantly replaced my building queue with using a custom hotkey (making that 4s thing not even take 0.5) I'd gain a lot of momentum, period. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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Vise
Netherlands53 Posts
If you whine about that you should aswell whine about people with a better connection then you have since they will ALWAYS BE 1 MILISECOND FASTER! so... Yea who cares is just QQing too much and should prac more and be inventive. Btw, if you use more then 1 keystroke u just nerf urself anyways since you don't have control of ur actions | ||
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Mudd
Sweden27 Posts
On May 23 2010 19:47 Vise wrote: A lot of lulzy stuff, followed by: Btw, if you use more then 1 keystroke u just nerf urself anyways since you don't have control of ur actions You're an idiot, seriously. There's really no other way to describe someone that actually believes that using one key instead of six makes you lose control. On May 23 2010 18:17 ProoM wrote: "woops, missclick! accidently turned all my larvas into drones, while I'm being counterattacked, too bad." ... You do realise the same thing can occour even without 3rd party software, making the statement void. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On May 23 2010 19:47 Vise wrote: seriously, wake the fuck up, this aint SC1, who cares about a mouse with few side buttons. If you whine about that you should aswell whine about people with a better connection then you have since they will ALWAYS BE 1 MILISECOND FASTER! so... Yea who cares is just QQing too much and should prac more and be inventive. Btw, if you use more then 1 keystroke u just nerf urself anyways since you don't have control of ur actions Someone explain how the internet works to this kid. | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On May 23 2010 02:43 Freezard wrote: Select idle SCV, build supply depot 1 click Select idle SCV B S Click 4 clicks There you go, want any more examples just tell me  Sounds good on paper till you get into a game and then realise there will be times when you will have idle scvs at different parts of the map (scouting, maybe on a xel'naga tower. Or your idle scv has been killed all of a sudden you cant use your crutch which only saved you microseconds or even worse you are thrown off completely by it and supply block yourself. Also constantly keeping an idle scv early game just so you can build quick supply depots will hurt you more than slower macro. The OPs looping queen larvae one would be ridiculously annoying if I ever used it since it switches screen focus. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
Pros can now pay attention to the battle or make expansions and stuff without losing any macro at all. also noobs get a huge advantage when learning how to play. BAN ITTTT! SO UNFAIR!! T_T | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
Macro such as this one proof this : 2 (select unit group) right click (you move your unit group) wait xxx ms (where xxx is reload shot time of the unit) H wait YYY ms (where YYY is the animation time of a shot) right click (you move you unit group again) then loop x3 I may record a video showing how abusive this is. there you have a macro for PERFECT marauder kiting controle] | ||
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Nutshell
United States41 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:20 Diks wrote: Thats awesome for every situation in which you know you will need exactly 3 rounds of kiting... and completely worthless for every other situation. Did you read morimacil's post near the bottom of page 9 that explains why marauder kiting macro's are stupid? What if you need to do something else in the middle of the macro?Seriously, macro allowing perfect Micro controle is just too much to bypass in my opinion. Macro such as this one proof this : 2 (select unit group) right click (you move your unit group) wait xxx ms (where xxx is reload shot time of the unit) H wait YYY ms (where YYY is the animation time of a shot) right click (you move you unit group again) then loop x3 I may record a video showing how abusive this is. there you have a macro for PERFECT marauder kiting controle] | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
The "giant unfair advantage" that ppl QQ about, is simply not there. Because when you use a giant macro, half the time you gimp yourself more than what you gain. Where it could be useful, is to make a very select few actions a tiny bit more efficient. For example, you could have your queen keybound to 9, and then have the macro press 9v so you can spawn larva more efficiently in the early game. That, is not a giant unfair advantage, no matter what way you look at it. That is also not "breaking the game", or "removing all skill", because seriously, there is hardly any skill involved in pressing v right after selecting your queen. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On May 23 2010 21:20 Diks wrote: Seriously, macro allowing perfect Micro controle is just too much to bypass in my opinion. Macro such as this one proof this : 2 (select unit group) right click (you move your unit group) wait xxx ms (where xxx is reload shot time of the unit) H wait YYY ms (where YYY is the animation time of a shot) right click (you move you unit group again) then loop x3 I may record a video showing how abusive this is. there you have a macro for PERFECT marauder kiting controle] Make one where you hold the button instead, and it won't stop microing until you release it. And it shouldn't select the unit group, doesn't need to. Marauders are good and all but I think perfect Reaper/Hellion micro would be more devastating. | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On May 23 2010 11:44 Nutshell wrote: Broken record here, but you can do that in SC2. Just hold down the hotkey and it spams the units instantly. Yup! But there's that built-in delay before the single press turns into multiple presses. I'd rather just have a hotkey I could press like control to make it so I could hit and forget :D | ||
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Nutshell
United States41 Posts
On May 24 2010 03:52 love1another wrote: It's incredibly quick, now you are just nitpicking heh.Yup! But there's that built-in delay before the single press turns into multiple presses. I'd rather just have a hotkey I could press like control to make it so I could hit and forget :D | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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DemiSe
883 Posts
On May 24 2010 04:13 Djzapz wrote: If you want to use it against me I don't really care because I don't believe it gives you a significant advantage. Exactly my opinion! I don't think they're allowed on tourneys(?), so if you get to comfortable with it, it's your loss. | ||
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