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Nerdrage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States55 Posts
May 10 2010 23:50 GMT
#281
Awesome idea, looking forward to watching the videos and content coming out of the first timers. Best of luck!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 10 2010 23:55 GMT
#282
On May 11 2010 08:46 GreggSauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 07:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On May 11 2010 07:38 St3MoR wrote:
good luck with your project, but well, is it just me that finds annoying that you call yourselves progamers? call me old fashioned but i think of another thing when i think of a progamer

anyway as said before, good luck with the initiative


Where do we call ourselves progamers?

@Greggsauce: Who hasn't been stomped out of a tourney? WHat are you even driving at, do we need to be the best to put on a camp for people?

Evidently not. I've received over 30 applications in the first day.


But all I'm really saying is if I was to spend a decent sum of money being trained by someone to get better at what I want to improve on... I will choose the best damn person I can.

I just don't currently see the plusses to this at all.


BINGO

Who else is offering this?

Also lets dispense with the modesty I've been sporting for a bit here.

EG is the best in the USA. There are a few that are in or around our level and they are great. They aren't on a team together and they aren't going to keep up. We are the premier SC2 team and we will only get better because we will put in more time and effort than anyone else in the US. We all qualify for nearly every tourney we compete for and we do fairly well. We lose, we look bad and we bm sometimes. We also win, look amazing and do great things too.

If you love RTS games being trained by people who have won national championships, qualified in top 4, or are up and coming (inka) then we are a good choice. If you want to holdout for that IdrA daycamp that is scheduled to take place in November of 2007 on the 45th day then by all means, shoot for that.
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
May 10 2010 23:58 GMT
#283
this sounds pretty sweet. i live pretty close but i don't have a beta key (argh). or 250 dollars.

you should all be aware though that it's usually HOT AS FUCK in arizona in june. just sayin'.
payed off security
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 00:02:56
May 11 2010 00:01 GMT
#284
Yeh to the guys complaining, I really dont think this camp is for like, actual decent players.. Anyone who is even platinum could probably learn just as much by just playing more games and analyzing their own replays for 10 hours a day, so I see this more for like copper/silver league people.

Unless its one of those people who would like the discipline of being in that kind of situation, like I feel I would benefit/really boost my training if I was in a house with others playing on a strict time schedule, but I doubt I would go for anything like this. There needs to be some REAL "training houses" and what I mean by that is people who all have goals to becoming the top players in North America, living under one roof with a pretty strict schedule and practicing their builds/strategies/etc til they are perfect, much like the korean houses.. Not a house where its just 4 guys saying "ok, make sure to build more scvs, etcetc"..

Im also curious to know if EG actually has their players on a contract/"paid" basis, because as most of us know, theres VERY FEW teams outside of Korea that do this, and I dont think EG is one of them, so if they are using that as part of their marketing to get people to enroll and it is untrue, that isnt very cool. People might actually believe they are being paid a salary to play SC for a living, yet the only team outside of korea that I believe has that happen right now is MYM. I know teams in the recent past had "deals in place" that fell apart, involving many of the US guys, so it'd be nice to get a clarification on that for people who do not understand the "sponsored" aspect. I mean, with Revolution Sports Gaming right now, we have tons of sponsors like BAWLS and Puretrak and many more, yet at this time we do not have any "salaried" players (altho in the past, different story.)
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 00:04:40
May 11 2010 00:03 GMT
#285
Interesting idea, though not for me.

One perk you could add is allow everyone who does it access to a section of your gosu site, and just upload a ton of replays for these privledged people to watch. Like forever, a few replays a day/week from all the coaches. Kinda a benefit after the sessions are over. Or something like that... you know, something a little more tangible.

Just a thought.
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
sword_siege
Profile Joined September 2002
United States624 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 00:13:47
May 11 2010 00:06 GMT
#286
On May 11 2010 08:46 GreggSauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 07:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On May 11 2010 07:38 St3MoR wrote:
good luck with your project, but well, is it just me that finds annoying that you call yourselves progamers? call me old fashioned but i think of another thing when i think of a progamer

anyway as said before, good luck with the initiative


Where do we call ourselves progamers?

@Greggsauce: Who hasn't been stomped out of a tourney? WHat are you even driving at, do we need to be the best to put on a camp for people?

Evidently not. I've received over 30 applications in the first day.


People also buy Gucci Mane "Music"

From what I gather the EG crew is a strong team of very likable guys. The majority of people that'd be interested in this either have a decent sum of money laying around, or just want to hang out with some high profile nerds.

That's about it. its not quite exploiting people since they definitely don't NEED to be coached in order to play, but its somewhere in the gray area, not really helpful, not really useful.

But all I'm really saying is if I was to spend a decent sum of money being trained by someone to get better at what I want to improve on... I will choose the best damn person I can.

Charging $250 probably isn't "too" much, but anyone with decent search skills could do way better on their own.

I just don't currently see the plusses to this at all.


It's pretty hard to take this GreggSauce guy seriously.

He's the same troll who posted in the HDH Invitational thread the results of the + Show Spoiler +
White-ra vs Tasteless match (placed this in a spoiler tag in case you haven't seen the results of the round of 16
before it was streamed by HD & Husky.

On topic, this is great news. Yet another step in the right direction for e-sports. I remember as a kid going to basketball and soccer training camps in the summer to learn from the best and you're hard pressed to find a better team in the US than EG. Glad to see this on the horizon.

Just remember to charge a cancellation fee and setup a LLC (Limited Liability Company) so you can deduct expenses (cell phone, internet, computers, training material, etc.). In the views of the IRS (US tax man) you don't even have to be profitable to deduct all of your expenses.
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
May 11 2010 00:10 GMT
#287
man this soudns really tempting, but $250 is kinda out of my price range ^^;
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
May 11 2010 00:10 GMT
#288
$250 for a weekend full of instruction for a hobby is a super good deal, especially with a 2:1 student:teacher ratio. Can't believe people are bashing this. Really look forward to seeing this business develop.
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 11 2010 00:13 GMT
#289
A lot of you guys need to relax. If this was 2006/7 i'd be the first person to tell inc there is no market for this and that they need to jump off the Esports bandwagon. However, theres a TON of new players/lurkers who im sure would love the chance to take part in this. I think it's easy to brush this off as a money grab, because you either talk to these guys regularly or "know" them online but when im sitting eating a burger with inc/machine at blizzcon and some kid walks up to get a picture with them, it's quite obvious that this is a good idea.

Good Luck - and pix please.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 00:19:35
May 11 2010 00:15 GMT
#290
On May 11 2010 09:06 sword_siege wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 08:46 GreggSauce wrote:
On May 11 2010 07:52 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On May 11 2010 07:38 St3MoR wrote:
good luck with your project, but well, is it just me that finds annoying that you call yourselves progamers? call me old fashioned but i think of another thing when i think of a progamer

anyway as said before, good luck with the initiative


Where do we call ourselves progamers?

@Greggsauce: Who hasn't been stomped out of a tourney? WHat are you even driving at, do we need to be the best to put on a camp for people?

Evidently not. I've received over 30 applications in the first day.


People also buy Gucci Mane "Music"

From what I gather the EG crew is a strong team of very likable guys. The majority of people that'd be interested in this either have a decent sum of money laying around, or just want to hang out with some high profile nerds.

That's about it. its not quite exploiting people since they definitely don't NEED to be coached in order to play, but its somewhere in the gray area, not really helpful, not really useful.

But all I'm really saying is if I was to spend a decent sum of money being trained by someone to get better at what I want to improve on... I will choose the best damn person I can.

Charging $250 probably isn't "too" much, but anyone with decent search skills could do way better on their own.

I just don't currently see the plusses to this at all.


It's pretty hard to take this GreggSauce guy seriously.

He's the same troll who posted in the HDH Invitational thread the results of the + Show Spoiler +
White-ra vs Tasteless match (placed this in a spoiler tag in case you haven't seen the results of the round of 16
before it was streamed by HD & Husky.

On topic, this is great news. Yet another step in the right direction for e-sports. I remember as a kid going to basketball and soccer training camps in the summer to learn from the best and you're hard pressed to find a better team in the US than EG. Glad to see this on the horizon.

Just remember to charge a cancellation fee and setup an LLC (Limited Liability Company) so you can deduct expenses (cell phone, internet, computers, training material, etc.). In the views of the IRS (US tax man) you don't even have to be profitable to deduct all of your expenses.


Incontrol responded and agrees with the meat of what I said.

EDIT- Although to be honest, who wasn't like "what the hell is Machine/Incontrol doing" when they watched the videos? To me it looked like both players were completely winging it. I'm not interested in "hating" on this or whatever, just voicing my opinion.

I wasn't a troll, it was in spoiler text, which is why its there.

and even then, 99% of people knew what was going to happen in that match. I don't post stuff to get a reaction out of people therefore I'm not really a troll.

If you're upset Tasteless lost and you clicked that SPOILER text that was appropriately labeled and found out he got annihilated before you got to see it well, in my opinion thats on you.

When I went to see Iron Man 2, I walked by someone at work who was explaining what happened at the end before the movie came out. I chose to not listen to him and I enjoyed the end of the movie.

You could've done likewise
Must not sleep, must warn others
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
May 11 2010 00:21 GMT
#291
On May 11 2010 09:01 Skyze wrote:
Yeh to the guys complaining, I really dont think this camp is for like, actual decent players.. Anyone who is even platinum could probably learn just as much by just playing more games and analyzing their own replays for 10 hours a day, so I see this more for like copper/silver league people.

Unless its one of those people who would like the discipline of being in that kind of situation, like I feel I would benefit/really boost my training if I was in a house with others playing on a strict time schedule, but I doubt I would go for anything like this. There needs to be some REAL "training houses" and what I mean by that is people who all have goals to becoming the top players in North America, living under one roof with a pretty strict schedule and practicing their builds/strategies/etc til they are perfect, much like the korean houses.. Not a house where its just 4 guys saying "ok, make sure to build more scvs, etcetc"..

Im also curious to know if EG actually has their players on a contract/"paid" basis, because as most of us know, theres VERY FEW teams outside of Korea that do this, and I dont think EG is one of them, so if they are using that as part of their marketing to get people to enroll and it is untrue, that isnt very cool. People might actually believe they are being paid a salary to play SC for a living, yet the only team outside of korea that I believe has that happen right now is MYM. I know teams in the recent past had "deals in place" that fell apart, involving many of the US guys, so it'd be nice to get a clarification on that for people who do not understand the "sponsored" aspect. I mean, with Revolution Sports Gaming right now, we have tons of sponsors like BAWLS and Puretrak and many more, yet at this time we do not have any "salaried" players (altho in the past, different story.)

Maybe you never heard of EG.Grubby? (wc3 elite)
EnderW
Profile Joined March 2010
United States170 Posts
May 11 2010 00:25 GMT
#292
I think this is an awesome idea you guys, this kind of thing has fostered TONS of great poker players, I don't see why it would be any different for SC2!
Learn from the mistakes of others, because you wont live long enough to make them all yourself.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 11 2010 00:33 GMT
#293
Good luck with this, guys! Anyone who puts the cash down will undoubtedly get their money's worth, these are awesome guys & talented players
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
May 11 2010 00:36 GMT
#294
F all the haters. Looking forward to the pictures.
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NzaR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 00:43:46
May 11 2010 00:42 GMT
#295
On May 11 2010 09:01 Skyze wrote:
Im also curious to know if EG actually has their players on a contract/"paid" basis, because as most of us know, theres VERY FEW teams outside of Korea that do this, and I dont think EG is one of them, so if they are using that as part of their marketing to get people to enroll and it is untrue, that isnt very cool. People might actually believe they are being paid a salary to play SC for a living, yet the only team outside of korea that I believe has that happen right now is MYM. I know teams in the recent past had "deals in place" that fell apart, involving many of the US guys, so it'd be nice to get a clarification on that for people who do not understand the "sponsored" aspect. I mean, with Revolution Sports Gaming right now, we have tons of sponsors like BAWLS and Puretrak and many more, yet at this time we do not have any "salaried" players (altho in the past, different story.)


You write too much but know so little. EG is a very well known team, and anyone that follows the e-sports scene know it or at least heard of it. EG's CS division won WCG USA last year, and their WC3 division has Grubby who is one of the three most titled players in the world (the other two are Sky and Moon).


Sc2ggRise
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States607 Posts
May 11 2010 01:09 GMT
#296
gah i need to fly out and live cast 72 hours straight
StewKer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States301 Posts
May 11 2010 01:09 GMT
#297
Good idea! Hope it's succesful!

Too bad it's such a long drive (granted not as long as some) from where I am at or I would likely sign up. It would be an 18 hour trip, going none stop.
HerO Fan! || Coming back to SC2 is like finding an old friend!
GiantEnemyCrab
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada503 Posts
May 11 2010 01:12 GMT
#298
sounds....fun...>_>
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rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
May 11 2010 01:13 GMT
#299

Won't beta end by the time this starts?
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willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 01:14:25
May 11 2010 01:13 GMT
#300
If anyone Gold or below applies and is rejected, there are plenty of people on TL who can get you to platinum. If you ask nicely for their time or offer a small fee I'm sure they'd be happy to.

You only need a modicum of intelligence and willingness to play 2 hours a day.

Edit: SPECIAL OFFER! silver/gold to platinum in 1 week! pm me for price:-D
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