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Hmm I'd like to ask a thing before wasting someone time reading an application that doesn't fit.
Getting an US beta key isn't really a problem, but let's say coming from europe there, I don't know how it works for bringing the pc.Granted I totally could get a laptop that can run sc, that would still be a little troublesome.
I'm really interested in this, I didn't take the lessons for sc:bw from incontrol since I had a pretty early beta access, and decided to focus on that, but this seems awesome.Plus I kinda already had a plan to come somewhere in US this summer...So enlighten me, usually if you need to bring heavy stuff there how it works? I know I'll probably won't be accepted anyway. still asking, got nothing to lose really.(Know that my pc is a full tower+ 24'' screen so that is a bit troublesome to move around, I have an old machine, but I don't think it'll ever run smooth sc2...)
I hope if that isn't feasible someone here in europe starts something like this, I'm getting involved in promoting e-sports here where I live but atleast I need to not suck too much, or either people won't take me serious.Plus I really love starcraft *_*
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On May 11 2010 06:41 PanzerDragoon wrote:
see, theres a physical component there, where it makes sense for you to travel there.
What can they do here that they couldn't just tell you online. Practice games? Scrims? Telling you to macro?
A sucker is born every minute though
There are tons of things that u can do in person much faster than u could online, and its overall more efficient. You can show some1 how to have better keyboard/mouse control as well, which u can't really do online at all.
IMO practicing IRL is significantly better than online and its also a lot more fun.
The only thing I would be concerned about is becoming overly dependent on help from others to grow and improve. At some point, you have to be able to identify your own faults, create your own builds and exploit your opponents weaknesses without being explicitly told by someone how to do these things. This is only for top level play though.
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On May 11 2010 01:36 ilnp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 01:27 Pokebunny wrote:
I would so completely do this if I wasn't 14. Fuck me. but i can't.. you're 14. you need to say "no, no, don't worry, i'm 18". i fall for that one everytime
LOLOL
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On May 11 2010 06:54 Bad_Attitude wrote:
Hmm I'd like to ask a thing before wasting someone time reading an application that doesn't fit.
Getting an US beta key isn't really a problem, but let's say coming from europe there, I don't know how it works for bringing the pc.Granted I totally could get a laptop that can run sc, that would still be a little troublesome.
I'm really interested in this, I didn't take the lessons for sc:bw from incontrol since I had a pretty early beta access, and decided to focus on that, but this seems awesome.Plus I kinda already had a plan to come somewhere in US this summer...So enlighten me, usually if you need to bring heavy stuff there how it works? I know I'll probably won't be accepted anyway. still asking, got nothing to lose really.(Know that my pc is a full tower+ 24'' screen so that is a bit troublesome to move around, I have an old machine, but I don't think it'll ever run smooth sc2...)
I hope if that isn't feasible someone here in europe starts something like this, I'm getting involved in promoting e-sports here where I live but atleast I need to not suck too much, or either people won't take me serious.Plus I really love starcraft *_*
Honestly flying from Europe to this event seems like a little much, I would just buy their coaching off gosucoaching.com if you are interested. If it was part of a much longer trip and when they had more established camps or w.e, but traveling across the world for this to a new country as part of a summer vacation is a little out there.
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On May 11 2010 06:41 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 00:56 Sent wrote:On May 11 2010 00:53 AmstAff wrote:
the points is that no one can teach you how to macro / multitask. you can only learn it by doing /playing. yes they can tell you to use shortcuts and while fighting to not forget producing, but that are hints for that i wouldnt pay money and that hints wont help you unless you train it yourself.
with his 3 day statement he makes it sound like:
"hey pay me and im gonna make your skill in micro 2 times better and if you want i make your macro 3 times stronger"
its like i would start selling water and would claim that this is special skill water and makes your micro 10 times better and all you have to do is pay me 20$ and drink it. In what other discipline can you NOT learn something from someone better than you? People are just not used to seeing coaching in such a new medium. If I told you I was going to tennis camp with Blake for 3 days you wouldn't bat an eye. see, theres a physical component there, where it makes sense for you to travel there. What can they do here that they couldn't just tell you online. Practice games? Scrims? Telling you to macro? A sucker is born every minute though
When I was getting into WoW Arena I had some friends who's 5s team was top 10 on Bloodlust. They tried to explain things to me over vent, and I got better, but when I went up to spend the weekend with them and they were able to see me play... well they were able to give me better advice.
Seeing how someone types moves their hands, what they watch on the screen, it's all so much different than just watching them play in game.
It's fine if you don't like this idea. However there have been "computer" summer camps for 20 years. Don't be so quick to hate or judge. When I was 10, some 20 years ago, my parents paid $300 for me to spend a week at computer camp. The camp counselors knew less about computers than I did and no one thought it strange at the time.
Look at Camp Woodward. 10 years ago no parent would have sent their kid off for a week to learn how to skate or bmx better. Now, even at $1000 for 6 days, it is a huge success. No matter what you feel about this business venture it is a positive step for eSports and making it popular in the US.
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Good luck getting ahold of them =P
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Just wanted to post my two cents since I can't go through all 13 pages atm. Seems like a great idea for those that want to do it and have the money to spend. If people enjoy themselves and get some knowledge then there's really nothing wrong with it. People have blown money on way worse things.
My only concern would be the date you guys chose. It's probably been said in this thread but, beta is going to end at some point and people seem to think that it'll be on June 11th for a variety of reasons including the start of the World Cup at that point. It would truly suck if beta were to end on the first day of the camp. I just think you guys might be cutting it a bit too close. I'd try to get on the horn with Blizzard and find a definite date to the end of beta.
Wish you guys luck
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iNcontroL
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For those that can't make this one: We will do more in the future. This is our experimental run.
I am thoroughly excited. I look at that schedule and nearly laugh since I know we won't be going to sleep by 12 or w/e, we obviously will continue playing until 4 am.. that is how lans work. Additionally, we will have an amazing time. SC nerds are the best people to hang with and doing this with an added emphasis on training is going to be amazingly fun for everyone involved.
I appreciate all the kind words btw.
These kind of things always polarize a lot of people. I've been doing "this" for what, almost a year now, and people still assume that I am scamming or bad because I lose sometimes. I'd like you to find a student that hates my guts or thinks they were robbed. You have a sample pool of some 200+ people LITERALLY that have taken multiple hours with me and done my training. If you can find one that thinks it's a complete waste I will be impressed.
Please give these things a chance and encourage the growth.
We are already being contacted by sponsors who want to turn this into an expo like event in the future where there are prizes, swag etc.. pretty neat.
This community can help us grow it or it can spend time nit-picking and hating on the entrepreneurs.
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yeah it's a bit troublesome but really, I like the idea, and I can do that totally.Hell I could even get there, buy a pc, and just sell it again there to not bring it back again, only that seems a bit extreme.You know, I never spend money on anything(I mean anything, sometimes I cut even off from food, I just take what it's necessary to survive) so spending some shitload crazy amount of money to do silly things on the other side of the world could be nice once in a lifetime.
Also on the "practical part" I thought on the online coaching, but I think "de visu" it's always better.You know, when I'm here I tend to think "I should be using more than 4 control groups" but then, who cares, I just smash noobs in gold league, and still not improve, because no one is really there helping with that.
also I've never been there and I'd love to move there to work if every plan I have here fails.I live in italy, in the infamous L'Aquila, so basically I'm the land of nowhere, after an earthquake, and trying to get some e-sports work here, and generally in italy, maybe a good vacation there to see how things works could help...but yeah I'll say it again, I really REALLY hope someone does something like this here in europe.Or that I find a way to get there, and be accepted in the camp :D.
(sorry If sometimes I seem to post without a coherent logic but I'm kinda K.O. today...)
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I'm one of the people who applied. Since I see a lot of people going "you can just do this by yourself at home for free", I figured I'd toss in why.
I was lower-platinum in the past resets when I was laddering (gold this reset, but barely played ladder). So I'm not going there expecting to get insanely better or any thing. Someone said something to the extent of "this could be done with a weekend of eight hour gaming sessions with good players" and they're probably right. However, of the 14~ people I play SC2 with, none are really better than me. So that's not always an option for people.
Even with that aside, even if I don't get better at all, that's not really my main interest. This simply sounds fun. $250 + airfare isn't THAT much. I have no other obligations on those dates. Even if this is little more than a glorified LAN party with special guests, that sounds like $250 worth of entertainment. If I get a bit better at SC2 in the process, all the better. If I don't, it'll have been a more interesting experience than sitting at home playing SC2 by myself.
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iNcontroL
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I've addressed the date issue a number of times but I guess I will do it again, sure it could end on that day, and that would suck, we think given school schedules/weekend timing that this date is fine because Browder has said "1 month before the launch" which is july 27th, so June 12th should be fine for the end of our camp.
If they close out the beta 15 days early we'd do the best we could to handle only having 3 days of a 4 day camp o-O but I think we'd manage.
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Think; this is almost free money for them. It doesn't really matter what price. They were going to be play SC most of the day anyways lol
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Will Hyungjoon be there?! :O
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No replys to my beer bitch offer 
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What if im the food runner???
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I've got nothin' but love for the nerd house, I wish i could go..What happened to Psyonic? I haven't seen or heard from him in forever.
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Interesting idea, but I get burned out after about 8-10 hours of playing (usually saturday) that I don't touch the game till evening on Sunday.
This is not for the weak of heart.
Price is pretty reasonable, too, considering a 3 day room WITH food can run you around 200 bucks.
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On May 11 2010 03:42 Legendary- wrote:
Its honestly a fantastic idea, wonder how much the people are going to be paying for this. I live around the area so I could always pretend to be the pizza guy and walk in... "HAY IZ DAT SC2B!? NICE!!"
I feel like the pizza guy trick won't work on Psyonic.
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I wish you guys at EG, the best of luck. I am sure many people will like what you guys are doing and may even try to do something similar. I look forward to some of the recordings, I hope none of you guys go drinking though...lol...It would be funny to see a full house of nerds, drunk off their ass. XD
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On May 10 2010 18:55 Nosferatos wrote:
Man why do I live in Europe when stuff like this happen in the US.
Will you guys start something like this in Europe (with top Europe players)?
lots of exclusive things happen in europe too that we americans get left out of :/
i just can't think of anything atm! hehe :p
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On May 11 2010 07:09 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Think; this is almost free money for them. It doesn't really matter what price. They were going to be play SC most of the day anyways lol
I don't watch movies in theaters because the movie plays whether I'm there or not.
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