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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
April 29 2010 20:48 GMT
#181
ya less people to plat would be better tho.
so many newbs on plat nowadays.
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
April 29 2010 20:51 GMT
#182
On April 30 2010 02:54 Day[9] wrote:
Honestly, if you can sustain D+ on ICCUP, that's a pretty significant achievement when thinking about EVERY possible person who plays Starcraft. Most D+ players would thrash 95% of b.net players in 1v1s on reasonable maps. Now that we have Battle.net 2.0, EVERY SC2 player is in one place, so those D+ players really do deserve to be platinum, as they're still better than 95% of other players..


I'm so glad you pointed this out. So many people do not acknowledge the skill levels of lower Iccup players. As a low iccup c- player, i put a decent amount of work into getting where i got to in BW, and am proud of that achievement.
SCV good to go sir
ocho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States172 Posts
April 29 2010 20:51 GMT
#183
The third set of placement matches I played put me in silver somehow, but now I just play plat opponents and usually win, I think the problem is just in the low number of placement matches, 5 isn't a good gage of skill
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 29 2010 20:53 GMT
#184
On April 30 2010 04:34 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2010 04:28 ItsBigfoot wrote:
gold should actually matter, I dropped one placement match due to a comp crash, wound up getting out of gold in like 8 games just doing immortal pushes, gold kids are bad.

why would they call it gold if all these kids aren't good?


When scaling ICCUP and Bnet, a D- is equivalent to about 1500 ELO platinum I'd estimate. Blizzard wants the game to appeal to all gamers, so they have to give seemingly good ranks to casual players that maybe play one game a week.


Not even close.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
April 29 2010 20:55 GMT
#185
On April 30 2010 05:05 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2010 04:55 semantics wrote:
I'm not really feeling divisions system as really i'm in division 138 of gold wow i feel so accomplished imagine when the game is released and it shoots up into like division 789 kind of defeats the purpose of creating the illusion that you are moving up in rank.


The divisions are not ranked. Division 138 is no better than Division 789.

I never said that it was all i'm saying is that when you have so many divisions the illusion that you're any good is gone when you move up in your division as they don't reorganize the divisions and make them even quality etc when you lack exclusivity such as rank which it seems rather easy to get up to plat rather had to get demoted you lessen the quality.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 29 2010 21:04 GMT
#186
I honestly prefer just one bigass division that incorporates everyone, and having a rank (aka rank 1 or rank 10, etc.). After the game's out, people start to know what rank is good or not. For example you could be ranked like 500 and be considered an extremely good player considering how many people are playing the game, since other "decent" players would be upwards of like 3,000 - 5,000 assuming that they keep the continents split.
diZease
Profile Joined April 2010
United States4 Posts
April 29 2010 21:08 GMT
#187
There is no need of a new league. Right now there are a ton of new players who may have randomly gotten into platinum. Eventually the good will separate from the bad and be set in there proper league.
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
April 29 2010 21:20 GMT
#188
The problem with trying to rate platinum at this stage is that there is a very small player base and the matchmaking has been rigged to make games start faster. It is not uncommon for platinum players to play against gold, silver and even bronze at this stage. I play with as many if not more people not in my league than I do in my league. Blizzard rigged the AMM to expand the search very very quickly to get games started.. This means you are not playing people at your skill at all times. And if you are in the top division (Plat) this means that statistically you have a very high chance to be playing against someone in a lower skill range than you, which keeps your rank high enough to stay in platinum even if you shouldn't be.

Once the game comes out I am sure the skill level of each division will seem a lot more static.
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 21:26:27
April 29 2010 21:26 GMT
#189
On April 30 2010 02:14 Chill wrote:
I think people don't realize how hard it is to be good at RTS. This is no different than BW. Like I would be playing at B- making my usual mistakes and people would be shocked how bad I am, even if 99% of the viewers can't do it. It's the same here; running #1 in platinum, but being shockingly bad at the game.

Lol, I'm 7th in Divison 3 Platinum post reset, with a 150ish pt gap between 7th and 8th place. 51-36 (ICK) and I was C- (more of a high D+ user) at best in Brood war. I think it's too viable to mass game to get high rated. Although I don't wanna take away too much credit from myself, I did beat some tough players to get there :p
Ganondorf
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy600 Posts
April 29 2010 21:26 GMT
#190
A new league wouldn't help what was pointed out and what i also said in my previous reply. This is a new game after all, not an expansion for bw, so there's lots of players who are not just low skill, but who are trying the game out for the first time. Really there's going to be this huge mass of noobs in the first months, all dedicated players will end up in platinum. Then once the mass gets bored and leaves, average player skill will improve drastically and platinum will start to be harder. Do you think starcraft1 at the beginning was better ? It was actually way worse :D

I need to reiterate, the system still takes your ELO into account, and you're matched against any player on bnet with similar skill, independent of division/league. So if you're really high in your league you will get matched with similar elo players from other divisions, and the competition is still there. Just check websites that mantain a ladder with the ratings of players from all plat divisions and you know what your place is. A good suggestion might be to have this exact feature officially added to bnet.
Owarida
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
April 29 2010 21:31 GMT
#191
I just wish they would do away with leagues and do straight rank. 1-however many play. Just do ranking that way, none of this division mumbo jumbo. I am like ranked right under Tasteless in plat but I am pretty much fucking terrible at the game. Hows that?
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
April 29 2010 21:32 GMT
#192
absolutely. plat needs to have more higher skilled players, or less lower skilled players
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
April 29 2010 21:40 GMT
#193
Obviously what's needed is a new division between platinum and the invite pro division. Something with a name that says you-cant-enter-unless-sc2-is-your-life....-almost. Maybe something like...Unobtanium
Do you really want chat rooms?
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
April 29 2010 21:41 GMT
#194
I think this is a problem with trying to create "leagues" based on skill in the first place.. Someone might be copper for 5 games but quickly move up to Gold/Platinum just based on copying a build order from a replay or seeing how others play on ladder and figuring it out on their own.
Broom
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 21:41:51
April 29 2010 21:41 GMT
#195
I was D+ on SC BW Iccup and I'm mid range plat right now (rank 40-50ish) if that is any measure of league skill. Granted I have invested a lot of time into watching streams and learning the game before i even had a key.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
April 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#196
i was a C-/D+ player in brood war and now i'm in silver league in sc2 beta.

i think thats about right.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#197
On April 30 2010 06:31 Owarida wrote:
I just wish they would do away with leagues and do straight rank. 1-however many play. Just do ranking that way, none of this division mumbo jumbo. I am like ranked right under Tasteless in plat but I am pretty much fucking terrible at the game. Hows that?



I imagine tasteless plays more on asia due to lag?
mtmf
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Brazil420 Posts
April 29 2010 21:44 GMT
#198
Well, I'm currently ranked 30 Platinum and I'm not that good, so I guess there is something wrong...
But I'll probably just lose more games and get demoted soon...
(–_–)
Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
April 29 2010 21:45 GMT
#199
On April 30 2010 02:04 MorroW wrote:
i think it would be better if they just made so fewer ppl got to be plat rather than adding a new rank

Yeah I agree... I feel like gold division should be similar to that of like c+/b- of sc1 while play is more like B+ and up... Also I think bronze and copper players are pretty damn close in skill... So maybe move it down even more and make silver players more equivalent to what C- and C would have been.
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Kyouya
Profile Joined January 2008
Mexico318 Posts
April 29 2010 21:47 GMT
#200
On April 30 2010 06:40 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Obviously what's needed is a new division between platinum and the invite pro division. Something with a name that says you-cant-enter-unless-sc2-is-your-life....-almost. Maybe something like...Unobtanium


Adamantium will be better

I prefeer the pgt/iccup rank system...
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