EPTplatinum isn't that good? - Page 11
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
You mean higher right? I'd say a D-/D player would max out around 1800 or 1900. | ||
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mOnion
United States5660 Posts
when D level Iccup was yeeeeears ahead of anything in copper in this beta. | ||
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CyberPitz
United States428 Posts
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Medzo
United States627 Posts
Something like copper 0-30% bronze 30-60% iron 60-80% silver 80-90% gold 90-95% platinum 95-99% diamond 99-99.9% professional - invite top 0.005% top 0% should be unobtainium league | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On April 30 2010 06:48 PanzerDragoon wrote: Being on TeamLiquid has blinded you on just how good a D+/C- player is. I mean, you think you suck, but you were probably better than 95% of BNet in Brood War. The ICCUP ratings were ranking a very small subset of players very specifically, and just really can't be compared to the wide-scope of these divisions. You're right, also it's important to note that CauthonLuck was only a C- player in BW iirc. Many of the top SC2 players atm wern't big BW players, although they dabbled. | ||
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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
plat 3% gold 7% silver 15% bronze 25% copper 50% | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
but as far as im concerned my placement matches were like 50:50 (2:3 and then 3:2) because im stupid enough to lose to a bunch of cheesy stuff or keep forgetting antiair. i was playing silver for a few days and got promoted to gold were im having some epic matches not coming from the RTS genre.. | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
i think we need to wait a while for the system to distribute players better | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 30 2010 06:56 Tump wrote: You're right, also it's important to note that CauthonLuck was only a C- player in BW iirc. Many of the top SC2 players atm wern't big BW players, although they dabbled. Great, now idiots will use this to "definitively" prove SC2 will always be noobier than BW. :p | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
They deffinately need to make it very difficult to get into platinum (compared to how it is now) and people who are inactive need to be demoted or something. So many people who are 5-0 just sittin in the ladder in EVERY division inflating it. There's probably an average of 15 (or less) 'active' people in each division with the higher number divisions having fewer and the lower number divisions having more. One of my friends is in division 88 and he's 1st with 1088 rating. Kinda makes the ladder system seem retarded and out of place and when that happens a 3rd party like iccup is going to be needed to swoop in and rescue the system. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
Again people are being very short sighted when they say things like "platinum isn't that good?". Blizzard cares about ranks and placement in the LONG term not within 1,2,3,4 weeks into the ladder season but, 2-3 months into it. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On April 30 2010 07:03 starcraft911 wrote: I've posted this in a thread before, but D- on iccup is like copper to gold and platinum on sc2 is like iccup's D to Olympic. It's such a huge spread. I have RL friends who were D-/D+ who're 1500+ in platinum sc2. People who've NEVER taken a game off me after hundreds of 1v1's in sc1 and 2. They deffinately need to make it very difficult to get into platinum (compared to how it is now) and people who are inactive need to be demoted or something. So many people who are 5-0 just sittin in the ladder in EVERY division inflating it. There's probably an average of 15 (or less) 'active' people in each division with the higher number divisions having fewer and the lower number divisions having more. One of my friends is in division 88 and he's 1st with 1088 rating. Kinda makes the ladder system seem retarded and out of place and when that happens a 3rd party like iccup is going to be needed to swoop in and rescue the system. If you think Blizzard is going to allow a third party launcher/ladder while the Blizzard ladder is running (and profitable) I've a got a bridge I can sell you. Also segregating the community would ultimately have a negative impact on both | ||
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Wretched
Australia121 Posts
The league system has obviously been introduced to make it easier for newer players to get started and to give them goals. This is good for top players in the long term because it makes a bigger community of people who actually play competitively. It's fairly obvious that anyone who knows how to play reasonably will be in platinum. Just use your rating as a comparitive benchmark rather than your league and rank. The fact that the matchmaking system finds games for us, means that we dont need divisions like we did on iccup. Because on iccup you had to match yourself. It doesn't matter anymore. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On April 30 2010 06:48 PanzerDragoon wrote: Being on TeamLiquid has blinded you on just how good a D+/C- player is. I mean, you think you suck, but you were probably better than 95% of BNet in Brood War. The ICCUP ratings were ranking a very small subset of players very specifically, and just really can't be compared to the wide-scope of these divisions. QFT. | ||
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TimeToPractice!
United States105 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On April 30 2010 04:42 Polemarch wrote: Yes, here's the problem: ![[image loading]](http://i44.tinypic.com/e96lud.png) (Not to scale, obviously) This wide skill gap reduces the feeling of competitiveness within the platinum divisions. The league distribution should keep the skill gap within each division roughly the same; this can be done with a more pyramidal shape. Edit: This is a problem with their system, not just the fact that it's beta. The player pool will grow and people will get better over time, but the same general skill distribution will remain, unless we start hitting skill ceilings, which would be horrible. (SC1 essentially has an infinite skill ceiling.) That's actually quite a perfect illustration of the issue. I daresay it is rather to scale  Sometimes in plat I run massive winning streaks with no effort, other times I get massively raped in losing streaks where the games aren't even close at all. Completely defeats the purpose of this "matchmaking system" if my opponents in plat have such a huge skill differential. I'd rather get paired with people that are my level instead of wasting my time with either complete tards or people that completely rape me | ||
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laste
Bulgaria242 Posts
and as far as leagues go, I remember when accounts kept getting reset I wanted to have some ladder off-race fun so I played my placement matches with terran(a race I'm quite clueless with) and got into silver- later on when I switched to my main race I found most players there were at pretty much the same level as the ones I kept getting in plat. this is the only time I've been in silver, pretty much all of my other experience is in platinum, and in platinum the people I play against are either too strong or just plain bad. one player would be very random, make silly decisions and make ridiculous mistakes while the next will have monstrous control(compared to mine), better game sense, and would outplay me on every level. theres just such a contrast, maybe its just my luck, but it can get very frustrating, you have a few easy wins against higher ranked plat players then you get your ego shatters into pieces when someone in gold completely schools you haha | ||
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givemefive
United States300 Posts
With 400 games played in SC2 and many many resets (more often than seasons in ICCUP) I'm now 35-20 1300 ELO in platinum with flying units giving me major headaches. : / I posted a replay and someone couldn't believe I was top 20 just because opposing flying units wrecks my mind. I think if it had been as easy to play back to back games in SC:BW as it is in SC2 I could have made C- in the same time I had wasted changing/resetting my god damn ports on my pos router/finding games etc. Most people on this website are pretty freaking good at RTS games compared to the rest of the population that will play the game. I'd expect most people to make it to platinum with solid macro, timings and build orders that have a purpose. You might be Gold if you have issues controling your army and macroing and Silver if you're struggling with coping with dynamic situations and you have macro like halfway there. If you can really excel - like C+ and up then you'll have just a higher ELO and that's fine. | ||
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Perfect Balance
Norway131 Posts
What about the obvious fact that SC2 requires less skill, and noobs who figure out some easy-to-manage build can easy win over a great D+ to -B gamer who's not building the exact right counter units that game. The reason many noobs are reaching platinum level is because every once in a while they beat a great player who didn't build the right units, by A-moving into him with a marauder/roach/immortal ball. You can't save yourself with great micro after you've made an error in your build in SC2, like you could in SC1. SC2 is all about builds, and that's something even an AOE player can manage to pull off every once in a while. | ||
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