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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
April 22 2010 19:40 GMT
#441
The patch says it was sucessful but then it keeps trying to redownload it (which finishes instantly because it's already downloaded) and it keeps going in that loop.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#442
Ok, why the FUCK do Infestors need MORE range on stealing the biggest fucking opposing unit there is, and why do we get even less of a chance to fucking split our troops on a fungal growth that KO's marines. what the fuck are they thinking?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#443
On April 23 2010 04:39 ComradeDover wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:37 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:34 Paladia wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:13 wolfe wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:09 Paladia wrote:
They didn't mention the change (fix) to planetary fortress and HSM though, despite that they were fixed. I assume Blizzard are too embarressed to mentioned it.

Otherwise almost 50% less damage for HSM would be something people want to know about.



What change?

Planetary Fortress damage was fixed, it now does 100% splash instead of 150%

+ Show Spoiler +




Hunter Seeker missile was also fixed. Archon splash remains the same though unfortunately.

+ Show Spoiler +










In effect, HSM went from this:




To this:





Which is quite a change in its splash. Before it did 100% splash in a 1.6 radius, now it does 100% splash in a 0.6 radius.

Couldn't they at least have made it cost 100 energy or something then? It's not very good as it is... I mean, it's not BAD but the PDDrone is waaaaaay better.


I don't know. Making it cost 100 energy would be making it even easier to completely destroy all the probes on a saturated line. I would only need one full-energy raven instead of two.

As opposed to psi-storm which costs 75 mana?

You almost never get HSM vs P anyway - feedback is way too good vs casters for me to want to make them.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
April 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#444
On April 23 2010 04:38 StriverzG wrote:
Anyone else getting "Your computer appears to be behind a firewall" while dling the patch?

I get it 20% in, my second attempt..



I got it too, but it's still downloading.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
April 22 2010 19:42 GMT
#445
On April 23 2010 04:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:35 iamtt1 wrote:
yea lets nerf ff's so we can make p totally garbage

Force field makes it so fucking boring to play tho. Oh you got caught out of position, well, you can't retreat so you might as well not even try?

The marauders slow is a little bit the same, I don't like that either but I have no idea what to do about either ability, as they are both good in other circumstances.


well then wats ur suggestion? im assuming ur suggesting that forcefields should be an upgrade and not an automatic addon ability but then p is going to so weak vs early game timing rushs, our main gateway ground units are so weak compared to the other races.. ff's are the only way we make that up
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ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 22 2010 19:42 GMT
#446
On April 23 2010 04:38 Crissaegrim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:32 ComradeDover wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:28 Crissaegrim wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:23 ComradeDover wrote:

It's less about your feedback and more about having some mice to run through the maze they made. Unless you really think your complain posts matter that much to blizzard. If they did, you'd see lurkers back in the game, roaches and marauders would be nerfed into oblivion, forcefield would have an HP bar, and infestors would cast Dark Swarm instead of infested terran.

Ask yourself if the your "feedback" is really all that valued. Then go back to running the maze, you mouse.


Well, then, I hope you're not posting any feedback because according to you, it's pointless. And no, I'm not naive just saying that having a voice to be heard is still vital to the improvement of the game.


Only feedback I've posted is "Thanks Blizzard. Keep up the good work! :D", because even Blizzard could use some encouragement.

And it really depends on what your voice is saying. If your voice is saying "Turn StarCraft 2 into StarCraft 1.1!", then no, your voice isn't vital to be heard. If your voice is saying "WAHH WAHH ROACHES MARAUDERS IMMORTALS WAHH WAHH", then your voice is equally useless to the improvement of the game.


Did I say that? All I said was that I disagreed with you saying that Blizzard knows better than we do.


You're still equally wrong. They're a successful game developer who's acknowleged to be the one of the industry leaders. They have an army of playtesters and statisticians and designers and the collective sum of the data gathered throughout the beta period. And you're an silver-ranked beta-investigation hero with a keyboard. Trust me, they know better than you.
Bring back 2v2s!
MarKoNiO
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Peru888 Posts
April 22 2010 19:43 GMT
#447
Wow, big update I read ist around 500 MB, DL is very slow on my end ...
- Hardcore gamer -
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 19:44:07
April 22 2010 19:43 GMT
#448
On April 23 2010 04:42 iamtt1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:35 iamtt1 wrote:
yea lets nerf ff's so we can make p totally garbage

Force field makes it so fucking boring to play tho. Oh you got caught out of position, well, you can't retreat so you might as well not even try?

The marauders slow is a little bit the same, I don't like that either but I have no idea what to do about either ability, as they are both good in other circumstances.


well then wats ur suggestion? im assuming ur suggesting that forcefields should be an upgrade and not an automatic addon ability but then p is going to so weak vs early game timing rushs, our main gateway ground units are so weak compared to the other races.. ff's are the only way we make that up

No, I think force field has to be MOSTLY the same.

What about making its range less? That's what bothers me most - all my units are too slow to escape from force field unless they have stim.

I don't like that you can permanently keep someone locked in their base either but I have no idea how to solve this - not allowing force field on ramp seems too drastic, and giving it a HP seems to defeat the purpose.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
ComradeDover
Profile Joined November 2009
Bulgaria758 Posts
April 22 2010 19:43 GMT
#449
On April 23 2010 04:41 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:39 ComradeDover wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:37 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:34 Paladia wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:13 wolfe wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:09 Paladia wrote:
They didn't mention the change (fix) to planetary fortress and HSM though, despite that they were fixed. I assume Blizzard are too embarressed to mentioned it.

Otherwise almost 50% less damage for HSM would be something people want to know about.



What change?

Planetary Fortress damage was fixed, it now does 100% splash instead of 150%

+ Show Spoiler +
<AreaArray Radius="0.5" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="0.8" Fraction="0.75"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.25" Fraction="0.375"/>


Hunter Seeker missile was also fixed. Archon splash remains the same though unfortunately.

+ Show Spoiler +
<CEffectDamage id="HunterSeekerDamage">
<EditorCategories value="Race:Terran"/>
<Amount value="100"/>
<ResponseFlags index="Acquire" value="1"/>
<ResponseFlags index="Flee" value="1"/>
<Flags index="Notification" value="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="0.6" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.2" Fraction="0.5"/>
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25"/>


In effect, HSM went from this:

<AreaArray Radius="1.6" Fraction="1" />
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25" />

To this:

<AreaArray Radius="0.6" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.2" Fraction="0.5"/>
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25"/>

Which is quite a change in its splash. Before it did 100% splash in a 1.6 radius, now it does 100% splash in a 0.6 radius.

Couldn't they at least have made it cost 100 energy or something then? It's not very good as it is... I mean, it's not BAD but the PDDrone is waaaaaay better.


I don't know. Making it cost 100 energy would be making it even easier to completely destroy all the probes on a saturated line. I would only need one full-energy raven instead of two.

As opposed to psi-storm which costs 75 mana?

You almost never get HSM vs P anyway - feedback is way too good vs casters for me to want to make them.


Templar don't fly on the own though. Getting a warp prism with gas-heavy cargo in it shot down is real expensive. Losing a Raven is still expensive, but less so.
Bring back 2v2s!
DarkOne
Profile Joined December 2009
Spain41 Posts
April 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#450
Protoss air

Zerg melee

Terran mech
lolreaper
Profile Joined April 2010
301 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 19:45:06
April 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#451
On April 23 2010 04:30 StriverzG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:18 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Colossi are scary as fuck - a million hitpoints.


wat

you obviously never fought as terran vs huge colo/stalker/immortal/sentry/ht ball,
your 200/200 bio army with "overpowered" marauders falls like flies, no metter what orb or other sheeps following write here, late game toss>>>>terran
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 19:47:23
April 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#452
can't wait to get home so i can try the new maps... too bad most are 2v2 maps

Would have liked to see something changed w/ forcefield. I really hate the mechanic a lot. Need to give it a hp bar or something.
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
April 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#453
On April 23 2010 04:44 lolreaper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:30 StriverzG wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:18 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Colossi are scary as fuck - a million hitpoints.


wat

you obviously never fought as terran vs huge colo/stalker/immortal/sentry/ht ball,
your 200/200 bio army with "overpowered" marauders falls like flies, no metter what orb or other sheeps following him tell here late game toss>>>>terran
your not doing it right
OldSkuLL
Profile Joined April 2010
Turkey34 Posts
April 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#454
can i ask how u guys download it ?
i didnt downlaod anything and i can login to bnet.
u guys are all use us client ?
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
April 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#455
On April 23 2010 04:44 DarkOne wrote:
Protoss air

Zerg melee

Terran mech

give Zerg an air unit that melees! :D
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1978 Posts
April 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#456
On April 23 2010 04:44 lolreaper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:30 StriverzG wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:18 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Colossi are scary as fuck - a million hitpoints.


wat

you obviously never fought as terran vs huge colo/stalker/immortal/sentry/ht ball,
your 200/200 bio army with "overpowered" marauders falls like flies, no metter what orb or other sheeps following him tell here late game toss>>>>terran


That's why you get some vikings and snipe the colossi, then
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
April 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#457
On April 23 2010 04:41 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ok, why the FUCK do Infestors need MORE range on stealing the biggest fucking opposing unit there is, and why do we get even less of a chance to fucking split our troops on a fungal growth that KO's marines. what the fuck are they thinking?


Because mech is so damn good.
Sup.
RaiKhan
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands69 Posts
April 22 2010 19:46 GMT
#458
All this patch business is well and nice, but I was hoping that the Mac client is gonna come along with it... Any word on when that will be comming? (it sure is annoying to change the OS just to play the beta)
NiiPPLES
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom201 Posts
April 22 2010 19:46 GMT
#459
No but seriously, they just missed the "Twilight fortress removed from 2v2", right?

Right?
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
April 22 2010 19:46 GMT
#460
On April 23 2010 04:37 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:34 Paladia wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:13 wolfe wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:09 Paladia wrote:
They didn't mention the change (fix) to planetary fortress and HSM though, despite that they were fixed. I assume Blizzard are too embarressed to mentioned it.

Otherwise almost 50% less damage for HSM would be something people want to know about.



What change?

Planetary Fortress damage was fixed, it now does 100% splash instead of 150%

+ Show Spoiler +
<AreaArray Radius="0.5" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="0.8" Fraction="0.75"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.25" Fraction="0.375"/>


Hunter Seeker missile was also fixed. Archon splash remains the same though unfortunately.

+ Show Spoiler +
<CEffectDamage id="HunterSeekerDamage">
<EditorCategories value="Race:Terran"/>
<Amount value="100"/>
<ResponseFlags index="Acquire" value="1"/>
<ResponseFlags index="Flee" value="1"/>
<Flags index="Notification" value="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="0.6" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.2" Fraction="0.5"/>
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25"/>


In effect, HSM went from this:

<AreaArray Radius="1.6" Fraction="1" />
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25" />

To this:

<AreaArray Radius="0.6" Fraction="1"/>
<AreaArray Radius="1.2" Fraction="0.5"/>
<AreaArray Radius="2.4" Fraction="0.25"/>

Which is quite a change in its splash. Before it did 100% splash in a 1.6 radius, now it does 100% splash in a 0.6 radius.

Couldn't they at least have made it cost 100 energy or something then? It's not very good as it is... I mean, it's not BAD but the PDDrone is waaaaaay better.


I share your opinion there. HSM was rarely used as it is, despite doing that insane splash. Now with the average splash, I doubt it will be used at all. The energy cost is simply too high.
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