EPTStarcraft II Gets Adult-only Rating in Korea - Page 12
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AdunToridas
Germany380 Posts
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On April 17 2010 18:46 Ocedic wrote:Then let's take legality out of the equation. What is immoral about Blizzard wanting money from you if you profit from one of their products/IPs? Blizzard is making good money from selling they software, and they were already profiting allot from esports by selling more copies, esport is organizing events, paying for keeping the team getting sponsors etc. Blizzard is just being greed, if that is an esport game then make if free, and make money from licensing esport events, if it is normal priced game then they just look for more ways to squeeze more money. If somebody is paid money for no additional service then somebody has to pay it, and it would be rather naive to assume that it will only be somebody from Kespa. How can you not be against charging for something that was almost free in the past as a customer? There would probably be SC2beta events already in Korean TV if Blizzard would not want to change terms. People are to easy to accept small inconvenient changes like no LAN w/o internet, and it steadily gets worse. What was wrong with the way it was in past? Was Blizzard ever short on money? Did they ever release a game that wasn't a commercial success? On April 17 2010 18:46 Ocedic wrote:It's not like Kespa is some mom and pop shop that Blizzard is squeezing every penny they can out of. They want to get that money from anybody that will organize esports on big scale, and they don't even say what the terms are, if that is not abusing your position then what is? You can work for us, we will pay you if we decide to. | ||
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
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Paladia
802 Posts
On April 17 2010 18:46 Ocedic wrote: If you buy something you should be allowed to use it as you please, you've already payed for the product.Then let's take legality out of the equation. What is immoral about Blizzard wanting money from you if you profit from one of their products/IPs? It's not like Kespa is some mom and pop shop that Blizzard is squeezing every penny they can out of. It's like if I would buy a hammer and then utilize it to contruct a house, and then all of a sudden the hammer company decides to sue me for making a profit and thus want a share of my house. It makes no sense, a hammer is made to construct things, a game is made to be played and watched. If anything they should be thankful that they get the free 2 hour advertising for their game at prime time every night. Most companies would pay quite a bit to get that kind of exposure for their product. Another comparison would be to football shoes. If someone uses a companies shoes while playing in a high concept match (say for example Real Madrid vs Barcelona). You think the shoe company would try to get in on the profit the player is making from using the shoes? Hardly, instead they pay large amounts of money for the players to actually use the shoes, since in the end it means a profit for them with the added exposure. Blizzard is just being much more greedy than most. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
You'd think the South-Korean government would try to contrast itself with the totalitarian North-Korean government, but apparently they're just envious. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
For those who think Blizzard is just being greedy, really get your facts straight. KeSPA treats the players like slaves/shit (whichever you think is nicer). KeSPA having control over eSports in Korea essentially allows them to decide Koreans can't participate in any event they dont approve of. (GOMTV getting broken down?) Many people, including Blizzard are strongly against the way KeSPA treats the players. If you think Blizzard is just fighting with KeSPA because of money, go research more before trying to sound smart. Blizzard is entitled to their profit. They MADE the game. They actually have the right to be on top. KeSPA is the greedy one. They had no part in the development of Starcraft 2 yet they want full control on broadcasting in Korea like it's their game. They did not create the Starcraft scene and the Starcraft 2 scene has already begun to flourish without them. KeSPA just wants to leech off of Blizzards success. Why is it wrong for other companies and groups in Korea to want to hold tournaments with progamers for broadcast? Note: If I'm totally wrong about stuff so be it, I wont claim to be an expert so take my post with a grain of salt but from research and following it all these years this is the knowledge I've learned. | ||
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Thojorin
Germany162 Posts
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huun
Turkey58 Posts
screw you blizzard. if you really care about esports then start something like Kespa in USA and Europe. yeah yeah we know there is no way to find sponsors like in Korea. however kespa is not right at all. they should to stream pro leagues for a small amount of money and make more profit, then share it. let's say, kespa should to stop ignoring other communities. in the end its all about money. please dont be naive to think anyone cares esports. | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
On April 17 2010 20:07 Thojorin wrote: But the children?? Won't someone please think of the children?! best post in this thread. Seriously though I dont think this will have any effect in the long run | ||
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iounas
409 Posts
On April 17 2010 19:56 xBillehx wrote: I doubt the Adult Only rating will stay. It's obviously a backlash to Blizzard giving Korea Open Beta. All those PC Bongs freely advertising Starcraft 2 and contributing to the people discovering and getting into the scene? Not so good if KeSPA can't gain control over it as people will want it, and they wont be able to host it solo. For those who think Blizzard is just being greedy, really get your facts straight. KeSPA treats the players like slaves/shit (whichever you think is nicer). KeSPA having control over eSports in Korea essentially allows them to decide Koreans can't participate in any event they dont approve of. (GOMTV getting broken down?) Many people, including Blizzard are strongly against the way KeSPA treats the players. If you think Blizzard is just fighting with KeSPA because of money, go research more before trying to sound smart. Blizzard is entitled to their profit. They MADE the game. They actually have the right to be on top. KeSPA is the greedy one. They had no part in the development of Starcraft 2 yet they want full control on broadcasting in Korea like it's their game. They did not create the Starcraft scene and the Starcraft 2 scene has already begun to flourish without them. KeSPA just wants to leech off of Blizzards success. Why is it wrong for other companies and groups in Korea to want to hold tournaments with progamers for broadcast? Note: If I'm totally wrong about stuff so be it, I wont claim to be an expert so take my post with a grain of salt but from research and following it all these years this is the knowledge I've learned. "Blizzard is entitled to their profit. They MADE the game." They get their profit by selling the game. And having free promotion on tv.. If they want something more whats stopping them from making their own leagues and broadcasts.. Oh right its a risky business that might not pay off so they want to leech of those who succeeded. Its like if you are an artist and the company you bought your brushes and paint from wants a cut on your paintings because they dont have the talent to make such paintings but wants to profit from you using their stuff. | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
However I think its more benificial for them to just provide the tools for events while being able to maintain a degree of control over their IP. It's cheaper, it allows for a more natural and faster development of the market and they can objectively support big events without risking to compete with themselves. Kespa is just trying to sustain their power for the sake of the power, not trying to develop e-sports. Blizzard has a natural interest in developing SC2 as an e-sport. Just my random thoughts atm. On April 17 2010 20:28 iounas wrote: Its like if you are an artist and the company you bought your brushes and paint from wants a cut on your paintings because they dont have the talent to make such paintings but wants to profit from you using their stuff. I´d say it would be more fitting to say that its like you painting a painting, and a gallery makes money from exhibiting your work of art and give you nothing for it. | ||
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GoodCat1
Israel266 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On April 17 2010 20:58 Appendix wrote:I´d say it would be more fitting to say that its like you painting a painting, and a gallery makes money from exhibiting your work of art and give you nothing for it. You had just said that players work put into the game adds nothing to the esports . That professional teams add nothing to the esports. Your analogy would only be true if OSL/MBC would show SC:BW box set, and cinematic from the game. | ||
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
On April 17 2010 20:20 huun wrote: blizzard doesnt care esport, they only care easy money. korea is a well established market for esports. teams are ready, sponsors are ready and most important spectators are ready. screw you blizzard. if you really care about esports then start something like Kespa in USA and Europe. yeah yeah we know there is no way to find sponsors like in Korea. however kespa is not right at all. they should to stream pro leagues for a small amount of money and make more profit, then share it. let's say, kespa should to stop ignoring other communities. in the end its all about money. please dont be naive to think anyone cares esports. It's too early to know what Blizzard will do to help the ESPORT scene, but I see Blizzard as a 'greedy' company. They do try to make a profit where they can, but they also have a passion for their game. They like their game to best out there. A little like google, they'll do some things for profit, but they'll also do other things just because that's their idea. I think it's a good thing that Blizzard gets royalties for the broadcasting of events, because that means they then have a monetary reason to invest in ESPORT. | ||
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iounas
409 Posts
On April 17 2010 20:58 Appendix wrote: I´d say it would be more fitting to say that its like you painting a painting, and a gallery makes money from exhibiting your work of art and give you nothing for it. More like gallery paid for your painting so it uses it as it wants in exhibition giving you more exposure and future customers.. Its kinda like that there is a good brush manufacturer that all artists use and the company wants to use this fact to make artists pay a % of their sold paintings on their new better brush.. But the artists refused and use old brushes or brushes from another company.. Company knows that artists are so used to their brushes so it tries this for extra profit.. Similarly kespa could continue using sc1 or later even use some other popular game.. Plenty of companies would kill to have their games with so much exposure. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
On April 17 2010 15:47 infinity2k9 wrote: You seem to be under the impression that e-sports is actually going to be popular in the mainstream anywhere else though, and that blizzards intentions are any more noble than Kespa's. This is the company that charges $25 for pets in WoW, they aren't interested in furthering e-sports unless it involves more money for them otherwise they would just leave the Korean proscene to continue as it was. I'm pretty sure Kespa doesn't care if the rest of the world plays SC2, when they have BW which is a tried and tested balanced game which is spectator friendly, and already has all the personalities which make people keep watching over there in the first place. honestly if you have a job and make money, 25 dollars is pretty much nothing. I realize to a kid it seems like a ton of money. But for something you care about.. it's really not. I'm happy to see blizzard get money - they do great things with it. Look at all the work they put into sc2. The development of this game must of cost a fortune. Probably came from WoW money. Do you realize how rich blizzard got off WoW? Blizzard gets rich = we all win. Kespa needs to learn its place. They don't have leverage over sc2, how could they possibly expect to? | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
25 dollars is pretty much nothing You must have a good job, lol.. thats like 1 hour and 45 minutes for me, I make like 20 dishes at work within that time!!!! Back on topic, Korea is lol!!!!!!! | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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