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On April 17 2010 16:37 IamAnton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 16:18 zizzefex wrote:
Blizzard doesn't give a damn about e-sports. They won't put money in it and take the risk of losing a lot of cash if it doesn't take off in the US which it probably won't.
Activision/Blizzard's idea of risk is making Call of Duty 6, 7, and 8. There's a reason they just add a number after every one of their games.
If any of you guys truthfully really cared about being able to make a meaningful wage playing a video game you would be behind Kespa 110%. Kespa is about Korea only. if you want a "meaningful wage" you want international exposer not just Korean. Hence why Warcraft3 did so well in e-sports because of its much larger international appeal and players. Yet still had excellent wages for its top players. (ex: Moon who was and still is makin 6 figures aswell)
WC3 did not have excellent wages compared to Korean SC wages. You could barely classify WC3 as professional by Korean definition imo.
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Hyrule19232 Posts
On April 17 2010 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:
doubt it, parents will buy it for kids easy
More like parents will buy it for themselves easy
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wtf, blizzard might as well add in some hardcore porn scenes. crazy kespa.
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On April 17 2010 15:15 Whyx wrote:
This is as bad as Austrailia's rating system
I live in Australia and I think our policy is crap. There's no R18+ rating so games rating higher than MA15+ is banned automatically. It would be ironic if Australia get SC2 and not Korea. I don't care about pros playing SC2, as long as i can play, that would be fine. TL coverage of SC2 beta is already top notch anyway.
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Blizzard should really take the gloves off and start dealing some punches.
Step one: shut down korean battle.net for SC1. If illegal servers start to pop up, sue them for TOS infringement.
It'd suck for the fans, but KeSPA is directly taking Blizzards business as a hostage here, they can't afford to be lenient.
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On April 17 2010 14:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
Uh yes they do, kespa bought broadcasting rights for SC1. Some of you should take into consideration that kespa has kept progaming alive all these years, while blizzard did nothing and stayed out of it. Now suddenly they realize there's a profit so they try and get involved and do stupid shit like removing lan play. So they say they are making SC2 'e-sports friendly' but then alienate the biggest e-sports organization and remove lan play? I'd rather they just stay out of it and stick to what they know, making games and keeping bnet2 good for all the average players and leave the progaming to the people who have ran it all these years.
Actually, Kespa has done very little to "keep progaming alive". It didn't exist for a large portion of Korean progaming history (and it's very debatable whether it changed for the better while it was around).
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On April 17 2010 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:
WC3 did not have excellent wages compared to Korean SC wages. You could barely classify WC3 as professional by Korean definition imo.
sure it did, the top players in WC3 were making just as much as the top players in SC were via salary, its not like every SC gamer on a team is making big money at all... Theres only a few just like WC3.
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On April 17 2010 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 16:37 IamAnton wrote:On April 17 2010 16:18 zizzefex wrote:
Blizzard doesn't give a damn about e-sports. They won't put money in it and take the risk of losing a lot of cash if it doesn't take off in the US which it probably won't.
Activision/Blizzard's idea of risk is making Call of Duty 6, 7, and 8. There's a reason they just add a number after every one of their games.
If any of you guys truthfully really cared about being able to make a meaningful wage playing a video game you would be behind Kespa 110%. Kespa is about Korea only. if you want a "meaningful wage" you want international exposer not just Korean. Hence why Warcraft3 did so well in e-sports because of its much larger international appeal and players. Yet still had excellent wages for its top players. (ex: Moon who was and still is makin 6 figures aswell) WC3 did not have excellent wages compared to Korean SC wages. You could barely classify WC3 as professional by Korean definition imo.
Isnt Moon the best payed progamer of all time?
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Why are people complaining about kespa? Afaik this has nothing to do with kespa as it is the Korean Game Rating Board that calls the shots. Haters will hate i guess.
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On April 17 2010 18:15 drlame wrote:
Why are people complaining about kespa? Afaik this has nothing to do with kespa as it is the Korean Game Rating Board that calls the shots. Haters will hate i guess.
Trolls will troll i guess.
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On April 17 2010 18:15 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 18:15 drlame wrote:
Why are people complaining about kespa? Afaik this has nothing to do with kespa as it is the Korean Game Rating Board that calls the shots. Haters will hate i guess. Trolls will troll i guess.
Proved your point?
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Why is KeSPA doing this? Are they not afraid of Blizzard? I'm sure Blizzard can bring on some smack down if they wanted to. And, I hope they do.
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On April 17 2010 17:48 zee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:On April 17 2010 16:37 IamAnton wrote:On April 17 2010 16:18 zizzefex wrote:
Blizzard doesn't give a damn about e-sports. They won't put money in it and take the risk of losing a lot of cash if it doesn't take off in the US which it probably won't.
Activision/Blizzard's idea of risk is making Call of Duty 6, 7, and 8. There's a reason they just add a number after every one of their games.
If any of you guys truthfully really cared about being able to make a meaningful wage playing a video game you would be behind Kespa 110%. Kespa is about Korea only. if you want a "meaningful wage" you want international exposer not just Korean. Hence why Warcraft3 did so well in e-sports because of its much larger international appeal and players. Yet still had excellent wages for its top players. (ex: Moon who was and still is makin 6 figures aswell) WC3 did not have excellent wages compared to Korean SC wages. You could barely classify WC3 as professional by Korean definition imo. Isnt Moon the best payed progamer of all time?
WC3 had only a select few people who got paid well for a meaningful amount of time, those people for sure were professionals and could live very well off that, but the amount of them is very limited. (Even more so than in SC1.)
I don't know how you'd know Moon is the best paid progamer, afaik. we have hardly any knowledge on the salaries of such people like Flash or Jaedong who I'd imagine would earn much more.
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It is funny that when Blizzard wanted to change terms of SC2 esports then most people didn't find anything wrong with it becouse it was legal, but when something happens that is legal, and they don't approve it then most people are against it becouse of some other reason. At least try to be a little bit coherent in your arguments kk? If just becouse something is legal don't automatically makes it good/moral/whatever word you want to use then don't use it as an argument.
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On April 17 2010 14:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
Uh yes they do, kespa bought broadcasting rights for SC1. Some of you should take into consideration that kespa has kept progaming alive all these years, while blizzard did nothing and stayed out of it. Now suddenly they realize there's a profit so they try and get involved and do stupid shit like removing lan play. So they say they are making SC2 'e-sports friendly' but then alienate the biggest e-sports organization and remove lan play? I'd rather they just stay out of it and stick to what they know, making games and keeping bnet2 good for all the average players and leave the progaming to the people who have ran it all these years.
Removing lan play is a kick in the face of tournament organizers, who need to jump through another hoop to get the tournament running (reliable internet) as well as makes it harder for them to set up a self-contained network the way they want it.
As well, blizzard is also saying "trust us" when it comes to replays from tourneys and possible leaks, as it's not possible to isolate the computers involved in tournament matches.
On April 17 2010 15:47 infinity2k9 wrote:
You seem to be under the impression that e-sports is actually going to be popular in the mainstream anywhere else though, and that blizzards intentions are any more noble than Kespa's. This is the company that charges $25 for pets in WoW, they aren't interested in furthering e-sports unless it involves more money for them otherwise they would just leave the Korean proscene to continue as it was.
Yeah. It's really all about the potential profit involved for the parties involved. Plus pro BW was lightning in a bottle, as well a result of multiple lucky events coinciding. Other games since then haven't been able to capture the same kind of audience.
Oh well. As someone who doesn't care either way about the future of SC2, it'll be interesting to watch how things play out.
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On April 17 2010 18:36 Polis wrote:
It is funny that when Blizzard wanted to change terms of SC2 esports then most people didn't find anything wrong with it becouse it was legal, but when something happens that is legal, and they don't approve it then most people are against it becouse of some other reason. At least try to be a little bit coherent in your arguments kk? If just becouse something is legal don't automatically makes it good/moral/whatever word you want to use then don't use it as an argument.
Then let's take legality out of the equation. What is immoral about Blizzard wanting money from you if you profit from one of their products/IPs?
It's not like Kespa is some mom and pop shop that Blizzard is squeezing every penny they can out of.
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On April 17 2010 17:40 IamAnton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:
WC3 did not have excellent wages compared to Korean SC wages. You could barely classify WC3 as professional by Korean definition imo. sure it did, the top players in WC3 were making just as much as the top players in SC were via salary, its not like every SC gamer on a team is making big money at all... Theres only a few just like WC3.
How many players in WC3 made a living out of WC3? A few. How many in SC? Couple hundred.
The number of high salary players in BW is much higher too. I dunno where you get your facts from. O_o
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Will foreigners have better chances now?
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On April 17 2010 18:15 drlame wrote:
Why are people complaining about kespa? Afaik this has nothing to do with kespa as it is the Korean Game Rating Board that calls the shots. Haters will hate i guess.
No offense, but you have no idea how Asian governments work, especially in the Pacific Rim.
If you had a better understanding of how those governments functioned, it is very conceivable that KESPA was involved with this, especially if the Korean government is convinced KESPA's business is being threatened.
Even developed countries like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are not as transparent as Western Europe and the US. On the contrary, they are quite protective - just look at the hurdles Apple had to go through to get Korea to open up its market to foreign phone makers:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19352/
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this happened in germany numerous times with ego shooters (not just adult rating, but forbidden in general). then some adjustments were made (for example less gore and disappearing bodies in l4d2) and the game got released.
so for korean sc2 version just remove gory marine death animations and dunno what else, and everything should be fine.
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