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On April 17 2010 08:29 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 08:27 Lemure wrote:On April 17 2010 08:22 LaNague wrote:
well, this doesnt hurt blizzard who dont really profit from progaming in korea and im sure they are working on a "clean" version of sc2 for other countries like germany anyways.
So the only thing this does is delaying potential sc2 progaming in korea for a few months.
Oh that and probably summoning the wrath of blizzard, whatever form that has. I thought one of the biggest reasons was kespa not agreeing to pay the excessive licensing fee that they pay for SC1 that Blizzard is demanding for SC2 so it should be quite a bit of cash they make from Korea. They don't pay anything for SC1. >0 is not excessive. I think its rather reasonable.
Uh yes they do, kespa bought broadcasting rights for SC1. Some of you should take into consideration that kespa has kept progaming alive all these years, while blizzard did nothing and stayed out of it. Now suddenly they realize there's a profit so they try and get involved and do stupid shit like removing lan play. So they say they are making SC2 'e-sports friendly' but then alienate the biggest e-sports organization and remove lan play? I'd rather they just stay out of it and stick to what they know, making games and keeping bnet2 good for all the average players and leave the progaming to the people who have ran it all these years.
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kespa has no right to sc2. blizzard can do whatever they want with the title. if a developer makes money off their game being an esport, that's great for esports. i'm not interested in kespa crying about the hard work they've put into esports when all they're really crying about is the loss of power and revenue. as for the korean rating board, sounds like a bunch of corrupt fools.
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This is as bad as Austrailia's rating system
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On April 17 2010 14:52 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 08:29 Half wrote:On April 17 2010 08:27 Lemure wrote:On April 17 2010 08:22 LaNague wrote:
well, this doesnt hurt blizzard who dont really profit from progaming in korea and im sure they are working on a "clean" version of sc2 for other countries like germany anyways.
So the only thing this does is delaying potential sc2 progaming in korea for a few months.
Oh that and probably summoning the wrath of blizzard, whatever form that has. I thought one of the biggest reasons was kespa not agreeing to pay the excessive licensing fee that they pay for SC1 that Blizzard is demanding for SC2 so it should be quite a bit of cash they make from Korea. They don't pay anything for SC1. >0 is not excessive. I think its rather reasonable. Uh yes they do, kespa bought broadcasting rights for SC1. Some of you should take into consideration that kespa has kept progaming alive all these years, while blizzard did nothing and stayed out of it. Now suddenly they realize there's a profit so they try and get involved and do stupid shit like removing lan play. So they say they are making SC2 'e-sports friendly' but then alienate the biggest e-sports organization and remove lan play? I'd rather they just stay out of it and stick to what they know, making games and keeping bnet2 good for all the average players and leave the progaming to the people who have ran it all these years.
You might recall that the "K" in KeSPA stands for Korean. As in, a very small part of the world. Blizzard has greater intentions and aspirations for SC2 than just Korea.
Korea may have been the cradle of eSports. But one cannot remain in the cradle forever. And if KeSPA doesn't want to be a part of that, fine; Blizzard and the rest of the world can kick them to the curb.
On April 17 2010 15:15 Whyx wrote:
This is as bad as Austrailia's rating system
Please. Australia would have banned it. This is far from a ban.
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so how exactly are they going to prevent kids under 18 from playing it? Constant raids into citizens houses?
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Wow, thats crazy. Lol "adult" my butt!
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Mostly meaningless.
Brood War was also rated adult only for a period, so they just released a "teen" version (I think they released one in germany too) which had green blood and got a 15+ rating. Later they changed the rating for Brood War because it was so popular but that's another story.
In any case it's not too much work for Blizz to make a less violent version.
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On April 17 2010 15:31 NicolBolas wrote:
You might recall that the "K" in KeSPA stands for Korean. As in, a very small part of the world. Blizzard has greater intentions and aspirations for SC2 than just Korea.
Korea may have been the cradle of eSports. But one cannot remain in the cradle forever. And if KeSPA doesn't want to be a part of that, fine; Blizzard and the rest of the world can kick them to the curb.
You seem to be under the impression that e-sports is actually going to be popular in the mainstream anywhere else though, and that blizzards intentions are any more noble than Kespa's. This is the company that charges $25 for pets in WoW, they aren't interested in furthering e-sports unless it involves more money for them otherwise they would just leave the Korean proscene to continue as it was. I'm pretty sure Kespa doesn't care if the rest of the world plays SC2, when they have BW which is a tried and tested balanced game which is spectator friendly, and already has all the personalities which make people keep watching over there in the first place.
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Ya, pretty sure stim-packs is already in brood war, as well as blood. Did i miss something somehwere? Does Raynor drop an F-Bomb?
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On April 17 2010 15:47 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2010 15:31 NicolBolas wrote:
You might recall that the "K" in KeSPA stands for Korean. As in, a very small part of the world. Blizzard has greater intentions and aspirations for SC2 than just Korea.
Korea may have been the cradle of eSports. But one cannot remain in the cradle forever. And if KeSPA doesn't want to be a part of that, fine; Blizzard and the rest of the world can kick them to the curb. You seem to be under the impression that e-sports is actually going to be popular in the mainstream anywhere else though, and that blizzards intentions are any more noble than Kespa's. This is the company that charges $25 for pets in WoW, they aren't interested in furthering e-sports unless it involves more money for them otherwise they would just leave the Korean proscene to continue as it was. I'm pretty sure Kespa doesn't care if the rest of the world plays SC2, when they have BW which is a tried and tested balanced game which is spectator friendly, and already has all the personalities which make people keep watching over there in the first place.
StarCraft II doesn't have to be "popular in the mainstream;" the rest of the world is so big that even a niche market is huge.
People are able to make a living these days producing funny videos in their apartments/homes by catering to a niche audience. Why? Because the Internet is very big. The larger the total market, the larger the niches are.
Blizzard would very much like to have SC2 in daily news reports on the major networks. But I'm pretty sure they'd be happy with a couple of hours a week on G4 showing SC2 matches with commentary.
Also, BW is in a bad place right now, what with the illegal match fixing running rampant through it. And even if it wasn't, it was already declining in popularity and audience.
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Anyone have any info about how korean fans are reacting to this? I'd like to know hear their take on the whole kesap/blizzard controversy too.
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If true, I just hope this doesn't delay SC2. I'm playing the beta, but I wouldn't mind a finished product.
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As others have mentioned, this decision by Kespa seems too coincidental in lieu of being a just decision by the Ministry. SCII open beta is announced, and shortly after, is rated adult just seems too suspicious to me.
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Are they doing this for other games also? Pretty strict ratings imo.
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Blizzard doesn't give a damn about e-sports. They won't put money in it and take the risk of losing a lot of cash if it doesn't take off in the US which it probably won't.
Activision/Blizzard's idea of risk is making Call of Duty 6, 7, and 8. There's a reason they just add a number after every one of their games.
If any of you guys truthfully really cared about being able to make a meaningful wage playing a video game you would be behind Kespa 110%.
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interesting! and I thought such things just happen here at "my place" 
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On April 17 2010 16:18 zizzefex wrote:
Blizzard doesn't give a damn about e-sports. They won't put money in it and take the risk of losing a lot of cash if it doesn't take off in the US which it probably won't.
Activision/Blizzard's idea of risk is making Call of Duty 6, 7, and 8. There's a reason they just add a number after every one of their games.
If any of you guys truthfully really cared about being able to make a meaningful wage playing a video game you would be behind Kespa 110%.
Kespa is about Korea only. if you want a "meaningful wage" you want international exposer not just Korean. Hence why Warcraft3 did so well in e-sports because of its much larger international appeal and players. Yet still had excellent wages for its top players. (ex: Moon who was and still is makin 6 figures aswell)
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On April 17 2010 12:01 Mallard wrote:
What is with all the KESPA bashing? They are not even mentioned in the article. It says the decision was made by Korea's Game Rating Board. I'm fairly certain the two are not connected at all.
You honestly think KESPA would make a decision like this?
It looks wholly like a political move.
It was probably KESPA behind the scenes connections that influenced this ruling. By no means is SC2 an excessively violent or bloody game that warrants an adult rating - even for Korean standards. If SC2 deserves an adult rating in Korea, I can't imagine about all the other games that are much more violent and bloody that SC2 that don't have an adult rating in Korea.
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isint ther filters (atleast for language) to filter shit out? and why are this asain country so into stuff like this that it currupts there youth and what not?
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On April 17 2010 15:45 Waxangel wrote:
Mostly meaningless.
Brood War was also rated adult only for a period, so they just released a "teen" version (I think they released one in germany too) which had green blood and got a 15+ rating. Later they changed the rating for Brood War because it was so popular but that's another story.
In any case it's not too much work for Blizz to make a less violent version.
I hope you're right because I got super angry when I read this, thought that KeSPA was throwing this as a way to keep BW over SC2 over there.
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