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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Gameplay wise, who do you find the most fun race to play? Do you think that one race, whilst it fits in with the game and general balance is boring and monotonous? I have some general thoughts, but id like to hear your opinions on this! Poll: Best designed race? Protoss (533) Terran (205) Zerg (75) 813 total votes Your vote: Best designed race? | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Spawn Larva | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On April 16 2010 08:42 Archerofaiur wrote: Two Words Spawn Larva what are the two words? i can only read text that is left-aligned, is that a problem? | ||
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Turbo.Tactics
Germany675 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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discordfighting
United States39 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
 I think it is a pretty clear indicator that zerg needs some work though.. I really think the roach or hydra needs a pretty drastic change (whats wrong with lurkers D  | ||
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UmmTheHobo
United States650 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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Goatlust
Australia131 Posts
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
I don't think that just because one race is designed better than the others means that the game is imbalanced, however. All the races can be balanced even if the quality of polish on each is dramatically different. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On April 16 2010 08:42 mOnion wrote: what are the two words? i can only read text that is left-aligned, is that a problem? No, "Two Words" are the Two words, get it? ^^' nono, it's spawn larva - I don't know what that's supposed to mean though, cuz IMHO spawn larva is pretty broken IMBA... I think that you can't just say that 1 race is more polished than the others, cuz they are all depending on how well the MU's and the other races work. - It could be Zerg for example, cuz you can actually play a solid macro-game and win and not resort to cheese and all-in timing-attacks. - It could also be Terran, for their diverse and fun to play Units and the variety of strategies you can (ab)use. - It could also be Protoss, for their interesting and versatile macro-abilites, their overall strong, yet quite balanced Units that we almost all see used in almost every MU and the variety of interesting skills and spells. I really don't know which one to pick, cuz I think all the races need much more polishing to be as shiny as the protoss look visually in SC2. xD | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:28 kickinhead wrote: No, "Two Words" are the Two words, get it? ^^' nono, it's spawn larva - I don't know what that's supposed to mean though, cuz IMHO spawn larva is pretty broken IMBA... I think that you can't just say that 1 race is more polished than the others, cuz they are all depending on how well the MU's and the other races work. - It could be Zerg for example, cuz you can actually play a solid macro-game and win and not resort to cheese and all-in timing-attacks. - It could also be Terran, for their diverse and fun to play Units and the variety of strategies you can (ab)use. - It could also be Protoss, for their interesting and versatile macro-abilites, their overall strong, yet quite balanced Units that we almost all see used in almost every MU and the variety of interesting skills and spells. I really don't know which one to pick, cuz I think all the races need much more polishing to be as shiny as the protoss look visually in SC2. xD yes spawn larva is so imba just look how dimaga totally rolled demuslim while having base advantage. Sooo imba. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:30 Sfydjklm wrote: yes spawn larva is so imba just look how dimaga totally rolled demuslim while having base advantage. Sooo imba. Yes, but I wouldn't say Spawn Larva is a design-flaw, cuz you can easily balance it by making it cost more Energy to use, spawn less larva, give a max-larva-cap or just make the Z-Units overall a bit weaker. I guess this discussion is not about current state of the ongoing balancing-process, jsut about the design from the ground up with the new mechanics, Units etc. At least that's my interpretation... | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Zerg Pretty sad since I was hoping to play zerg in sc2 like I did in bw but zerg is just soo boring in sc2. They don't have anything cool like t/p or bw zerg. (Ok, broodlords and banelings are pretty cool but thats nothing compared to what the other races got. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:22 panZERGrenadier wrote: Protoss by a country mile, Terran second and Zerg is by far the worst. This makes me pretty sad as someone who really liked Zerg in broodwar and likes the aesthetic of Zerg. I have to disagree with this assessment- it's Protoss first by a nautical mile, then Terran, and finally Zerg :p The races have a pretty similar # of units to play around with, and yet the Protoss army feels so much more diverse somehow. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:37 kickinhead wrote: Yes, but I wouldn't say Spawn Larva is a design-flaw, cuz you can easily balance it by making it cost more Energy to use, spawn less larva, give a max-larva-cap or just make the Z-Units overall a bit weaker. I guess this discussion is not about current state of the ongoing balancing-process, jsut about the design from the ground up with the new mechanics, Units etc. At least that's my interpretation... my point is that nomatter how u spin it zerg has the worst production values in the game. this has to do ith the fact that zerg needs a huge blob of units for them to work. | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
The 'swarm' feel of Zerg is even better in Sc2, but as the race stands now they're rather boring to play and lack variety. Terran are just as good as ever; more refined, if you will. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
Usually it's just mass roach, passive-macro style which is severely broken enjoyability-wise. I think zerg has the potential to be the most compelling race if they change the zerg race to one that has to keep up with the enemy by mass expanding and powerful harass, while having weaker troops and needing to get powerful late-game units to fight. Unfortunately ultralisks and infestors are dull and weak units. The infestor's only point is to use fungal growth for banelings to catch their target, but otherwise the spell has no synergy with the zerg's speedy rangy army. Maybe the current balance already supports this, but people just haven't figured it out yet. | ||
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lolreaper
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Karas
United States230 Posts
The Protoss race feels so well put together. However, I do think Terran has the most potential right now, they have a lot of spellcasters and their upper tier still has a lot of potential. I think the zerg have a weird combination of new age swarm style and almost protoss like tank and damage units like the hydra and the roach. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
Zerg is close to being good, but the roach (as has been said countless times) either needs a redesign or we need a brand new unit, hopefully something really fast, difficult to use well, but effective if utilized correctly. Its really just that zerg is lacking diversity because of this one unit blizzard have tried to force on the community without compromise. | ||
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HowardRoark
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
At first, Terran seems close to Protoss. With more thought, they seem much further away. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
Terran are also quite fun to play, while their opening builds are all nearly identical, with the exception of a few high risk-high reward builds, their mid-game can be quite unpredictable. I think their ability to rapidly respond to their opponent in the mid game is their greatest strength. Zerg still feel "new." While I really enjoy playing as the Zerg, it does seem that there are relatively few viable builds (Muta-ling or Roach/Hydra are the most popular) and I think a lot of this stems from the other races' ability to counter weaker units. The Zerg definitely have the nice swarmy feel that they should have but I think a lot of it has been lost in the fact that units like a Hellion can slaughter a "swarm" like there wasn't even anything there to begin with. | ||
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PyroKinetiKrlz
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However Zerg lacks variety at viable strategies against Z and P imho. | ||
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ZeroByDivide
Canada85 Posts
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McCain
United States187 Posts
Zerg is just boring, a clear last place.  | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On April 16 2010 08:42 mOnion wrote: what are the two words? i can only read text that is left-aligned, is that a problem? I dont know if your being sarcastic or not but when you clicked "quote" you should have seen the text. | ||
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SirNeb
United States243 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:54 FREEloss_ca wrote: Protoss feels the most complete, not to mention they've really fleshed out the 'lore' feel of the race. They've taken the concept and ideas Metzen originally envisioned and captured it perfectly in Sc2. Warpgates, Mothership, Colossus, and a lot of the animations for the race all contribute to this. The 'swarm' feel of Zerg is even better in Sc2, but as the race stands now they're rather boring to play and lack variety. Terran are just as good as ever; more refined, if you will. Yup, exactly. As a Terran player, protoss was still extremely fun and intuitive to play. Everything just feels right, this is not in terms of balance, just by overall "feel". It was *fun*. | ||
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Vattilega
United States52 Posts
As i do care for gameplay balance, im not too crazy about winning with a balanced race as i see it even more fulfilling when I win at a disadvantage (2base Z v 3 base P). So with that said, when I analyze my deep hate for the new Z(playing T in sc2 now) it realy comes down to the sound creativity and a couple unit animations, otherwise i am completely comfortable playing Z aside from being forced to use silly roaches. Fart noises, weak, silly looking hydra attacks, SPAWN INFESTED TERRAN? | ||
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Flames
United States105 Posts
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Chuiu
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Slurgi
United States118 Posts
Terran is pretty good, although hellions could probably be a bit more interesting. Although I don't think porting in the vulture is the right solution, I'd like to see a unit that doesn't have to stop for a full second before it shoots, but does nothing else particularly interesting. Maybe they should give the hellions an activated ability or something. Zerg is the most boring by far. I want to be a zerg player, and feel as though they are the most powerful race right now, but by god they're boring to play. Although spitting larva is part of the problem, the only zerg units that seem interesting are broodlords and banelings. I think a lot of work needs to be done on zerg. | ||
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FakeGuy
United States13 Posts
...Then I voted Protoss anyway. They're pretty spiffy. | ||
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JaspluR
Australia174 Posts
I like toss right now but I think a nerf to psi storm isn't really needed as it can be easily microed out of. I think the void ray nerf sucks too, I've probably used toss air in 1% of my total games. Terran is great atm IMO, they have great diversity and all their units work pretty well. They also have the best harass options and OC/PF which OC has 3 spells which are useful in different situations. I also WANT to play zerg but the unit choice really sucks, I LOVE using banelings but besides that I'm going to stay playing toss. PS, spawn larvae is so good. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
I guess terran needs an extra dose of manliness from blizzard to compare. and zerg, well... I just hope they patch the sounds. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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xnub
Canada610 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
until they fix that unit. protoss shall never be complete. nerf to arbitor pl0x! | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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xnub
Canada610 Posts
On April 16 2010 13:46 Ryuu314 wrote: one word: mothership. until they fix that unit. protoss shall never be complete. nerf to arbitor pl0x! would like to see it removed and a new unit added a flying Battier for chargeing sheilds. | ||
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Ideas
United States8108 Posts
On April 16 2010 13:52 Mindcrime wrote: people picked zerg? rofl I know wtf really it feels like 70% of all blizzard devs worked just on protoss, with 28% working on Terran and then just like 1 guy designed all of zerg and he really REALLY loves roaches and really REALLY sucks at designing new units lol | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 16 2010 13:57 Ideas wrote: really it feels like 70% of all blizzard devs worked just on protoss, with 28% working on Terran and then just like 1 guy designed all of zerg and he really REALLY loves roaches and really REALLY sucks at developing new units lol LOL Quoted for Truth "No no no no no guy. Roachs are staying in. Im not taking them out!" | ||
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Ideas
United States8108 Posts
On April 16 2010 14:00 Archerofaiur wrote: LOL Quoted for Truth "No no no no no guy. Roachs are staying in. Im not taking them out!" "here we'll just add 60 more HP to them and take away the regen thing. There, now it's balanced again!" roaches were so clearly just used as a balance crutch for the zerg where they just kept getting buffed/changed to make zerg as strong as other races without adding new (interesting) units to them. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
Terran really needs to improve their mech. Tanks are pretty weak, Thors I like, but take up so much damn space, and I'm really not a fan of Hellions. They need something more. Zerg feel like they just don't have enough oomph in heavier tech. I've yet to see an Ultralisk in Starcraft II, even in replays. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 16 2010 14:01 Ideas wrote: "here we'll just add 60 more HP to them and take away the regen thing. There, now it's balanced again!" roaches were so clearly just used as a balance crutch for the zerg where they just kept getting buffed/changed to make zerg as strong as other races without adding new (interesting) units to them. "ok ok how about it only regnerates while burrowed? And well give it the Infestors burrowed movement since people say they like that feature of the infestor and why shouldnt a roach be able to borrow too. Also well have a cool awesome super regen upgrade at hive tech *eyes glaze over* So then zerg can have DT's with medivac healing. It will be awesome!" | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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KuDra
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FortuneSyn
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
But also some races has flaws like that stupid Snake-Woman that keeps telling me to spawn more overlords and terran mech is lacking IMO, doubt they will fix mech before game release but maybe instead add a good mech unit in a expansion | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
A close second would be terran, I actually didn't know if I would put them equal to toss, but they are very close, again, here and there some issues that can be worked out. And then dead last without any doubt is Zerg, It's incredible how bland and boring zerg is now compared to the other 2 races, I am basicly just holding on to zerg just because I hope for changes and just because I like Zerg to much in their concept and general philosophy, but really ugh. And I see this everywhere, 2 of my friends who have been in beta for a while, who loved zerg so much in sc1, have now decided to switch to T and P, just because they share the same idea that zerg is just to boring now in terms of the units they have. My first idea for zerg (and this might be imbalanced, but with some tweaks it sounded reasonable, and it fixes a big part of the issue) Bring the lurker back, i'm not gonna go into detail why, because everyone probably knows, the general implementation would be: Remove the Roaches upgrade that let's the move while burrowed, and switch that to the lurker upgrade to start with. It is the same as in sc1, a lair-tech upgrade, and for some reason I actually find lurkers to be more suited to be upgraded from roaches then from hydra's in sc1. Keep the speed upgrade and the burrowed regen upgrade (because of the fact that everything has more dmg, detection is easier to get, units are/feel faster, there is no dark swarm, so these would help the lurker in that) At the same time, not only it would add in such a fun and awesome unit, but it would also give an incentive to for melee upgrades instead of the "well roach/hydra and I'll just upgrade ranged ground for all my games). It would also make the infestor a more used choice because of the synergy between the lurker and fungal growth. how this would exactly play out, but it seemed like a fairly easy way to implement lurkers, but well, I guess chances of something like this happening are just very, very small, and my suggestion is just pure daydreaming ;_; | ||
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MelancholyMark
United States39 Posts
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whiterabbit
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
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Ai52487963
United Kingdom136 Posts
Now when I play off creep, it feels like my hydras are slower than retarded lava. I like the idea of having creep play some aspect into the Zerg arsenal, but it shouldn't be speed. Maybe regen speed or something. I don't feel like my swarm has that same overwhelming feel to it when armies can outrun my hydras off creep. Zerg's spells are ok and need some obvious tweaking, but as far as speed of their units goes, they need to be seriously looked at. I doubt that Bliz is going to add new units or change their functionality immensely before the final release, since the single player storyline should be completed and the actual game and missions designed around the lore also near completion. Suddenly adding lurkers or scourge would not only throw the entire balance of the game off, with at least another month of beta testing to see how their tech placement, cost, speed, attack, armor type, etc play out, but adding them in suddenly and unexpectedly would toss off the lore of the singleplayer as its been constructed at this point. They'll have to make Zerg more exciting to play if they want their first SC2 expansion to sell well at all, so I can only see improvements coming from now on. Even so, after the final expansion, I don't imagine the game will come close to BW as far as pure balance goes. That's probably another year at the least after LotV. I think we all need to remember the game isn't really going to shine out of the box. At least, not in the better players' eyes. Pretty graphics will woo any sucker into buying it and playing it for a month before going to COD9. The longevity and lasting impact will come only after the entire, 3-part game is completed and having some time to simmer even after that. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Terran is really close to feeling right. I think they either need a little more commando-mobility or some badass-defender-ness. I've completely given up hope on Zerg, by far my favorite in BW, now they're just retarded. I think it might be because they don't build anything besides one hatch/expansion and a couple tech structures. The hatchery/queen infinite spawn point is really fucking boring. They're no longer a swarm, just a ball of roaches. | ||
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Deviation
United States134 Posts
The only thing I'd say I'm really unsatisfied with for the Protoss is the Mothership. Terran take the second spot. I still dislike the Medivac, the concept of combining the healer with the transport, horrible idea. I dislike putting the flame thrower on a fast harass/scouting vehicle, although it works I guess. I also think Reapers are too much of a niche unit. Finally, the Thor and Siege Tank still seem to overlap, or maybe the Siege Tank is just god awful so it seems that way. Zerg is the worst. Their army looks slow because they are so dependent on creep for mobility. The Roach has got to be the most boring unit in the entire game. Spawn Larva is the worst macro mechanic | ||
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iNviSible.yunO
Germany211 Posts
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SeeDLiNg
United States690 Posts
but boy... the more I play the more I'm finding zerg to be... trash | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
 So - Protoss FTW ! :D | ||
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MasterFwiffo
United States97 Posts
The Terran and Toss handle it better (though the Marauder is entirely overrepresented in most games I watch), but Zerg always degenerates into a big blob of roaches with the rare Hydras and Lings thrown in for good measure. It's not so much a matter of OMG NERF ROACHES, as it is there seems to be no alternatives *to* masses of the things... THey need another ground fighting unit (I don't want to go all Broodwar and say Lurker... but Lurker would be nice), and at least one more air unit, maybe two. There's just no variety to the Swarm - and the Swarm would be the race that *should* have the most variety. -edit- To expand a bit... Protoss games are always exciting to watch, because you virtually never see massive blobs of the same unit. You never see an army that's all Zealots, or Stalkers, or Collosi, or Immortals - they're always a good solid mixed group of units, that leads to more fun-looking gameplay. Terrans are a bit better, but not perfect. You still see ungodly swarms of Marauders, and ccasionally ungodly swarms of Thors, but for the most part, Terrans tend to surprise you with use of Banshees, Vikings, Ravens, Hellions and Tanks, as well as frequent big-ol-MMM balls. But with Terran, it still feels like there's a lot of diversity. Zerg are always giant swarms of Roaches. Occasionally you'll see Hydra's behind them, or Zerglings in front, and if you're lucky, you'll see a surprise Baneling or Mutalisk harass, but almost always, the Roach is primary Zerg unit, with nothing else as a primary strategy. As a spectator, Zerg games are just *boring*, because you almost always know that you're going to see Roaches. A lot of Roaches. Bunches of Roaches. Huzzah. Roaches. | ||
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Rantech
Chile527 Posts
terran is kind of nice zerg seems like "oh, we still have to make one race.. ok wtvr lets do some zergs.." | ||
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Vattilega
United States52 Posts
On April 16 2010 13:57 Ideas wrote: rofl I know wtf really it feels like 70% of all blizzard devs worked just on protoss, with 28% working on Terran and then just like 1 guy designed all of zerg and he really REALLY loves roaches and really REALLY sucks at designing new units lol Thats exactly how it seems, 70% worked on toss (did a wonderful job), 30% worked on terran(totally badass).... and then they brought in a sneaky little 12 yr old girl with an affinity for farting creepy-crawlers and had her design the all of the Zerg race in one hour. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 16 2010 13:57 Ideas wrote: rofl I know wtf really it feels like 70% of all blizzard devs worked just on protoss, with 28% working on Terran and then just like 1 guy designed all of zerg and he really REALLY loves roaches and really REALLY sucks at designing new units lol Dustin Browder... | ||
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WorkersOfTheWorld
United States619 Posts
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Vectom
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Vargavaka
Sweden111 Posts
More importantly, all races feels like they got a strong concept supporting them. I'm sure that in time, they will all be amazing. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
I regret that Zergs become a little boring to use... There is no longer muta micro, no longer hard caster (defiler), no longer units like lurkers... Only A click style ;; Graphically they look cool, but gameplay... no. | ||
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Paladia
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 16 2010 15:21 Deviation wrote: Protoss is number one because they piss me off the least. The only thing I'd say I'm really unsatisfied with for the Protoss is the Mothership. Terran take the second spot. I still dislike the Medivac, the concept of combining the healer with the transport, horrible idea. I dislike putting the flame thrower on a fast harass/scouting vehicle, although it works I guess. I also think Reapers are too much of a niche unit. Finally, the Thor and Siege Tank still seem to overlap, or maybe the Siege Tank is just god awful so it seems that way. Zerg is the worst. Their army looks slow because they are so dependent on creep for mobility. The Roach has got to be the most boring unit in the entire game. Spawn Larva is the worst macro mechanic by worst you mean broken and imbalanced ? | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Chrono boost is also i think the best macro device. Being able to chose when and how you use it, unlike the pretty static mule and larva, adds some good strategy and creativity. Also the, Warp Gates really add a better feeling of mobility for protoss in general. Sigh, if it wasn't for my life long love affair with terran, I'm pretty sure id switch over to protoss instantly. I still feel like the game would be better with units like the vulture and lurker back, in SOME capacity, but that might be my nostalgia kicking in. As of right now Zerg and T seem very bland compared to protoss. | ||
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Guc
Australia28 Posts
with these new 3d graphics its hard to find your own observer, thats why they have smartcast which ruins the whole "SKILL" of the game anyway. 2d graphics PLOX screw this 3d crap p is imba t is gay z is rubbish | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
Terran and Zerg atm play so similarly in all 3 match ups. Make Roach/Marauder - add in a caster midgame (Infestor/Ghost) and/or a supplementary unit (Thor/Hydra). | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Protoss is pretty rounded, altho I feel you require tech units to basically do anything vs the other races, which is quite different than SC1 where you can go gateway unit mix the whole game basically. Protoss now, if you dont have immortals or collosus or voids, you lose vs everything. Thats pretty lame imo. Terran is the most diverse race, with amazing units at every level. Marauder is just ridiculous, and medivacs heal much better than medics did, they even heal teammates mutalisks if I recall (might of been an older patch but I dont recall seeing it changed).. thats retarded. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Terran has some potential, but mech just doesn't feel fun anymore; hellions and thors just aren't very good replacements for vultures and goliaths. With some tweaking they will probably be just as fun to play as protoss. Zerg is bland and boring, and being a random player it kinda sucks getting them 1/3 of the time. Army composition is 2 or 3 different units max most of the time, there's no real siege units (such as lurkers), unless you count BL and ultra, and there's only one real caster, and it's not really fun to use. No cliffjumpers either, and the queen is basically only used for the no-brainer spawn larvae. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Zerg's in the dumps | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
terran def is overall the most versatile. i love how pretty much evry single unit is viable. but then you are so limited cause evrything costs a shitload of gas and the upgrades which you need for all the units plus the buildings also cost shit tons of gas. p has really nice mechanics. crono boost and warpgates are amazing. also the immortal/collosus/sentry are pretty damn cool. also P really has a answer for evrything. only thing that really bothers me is the total lack of micro involved. P is really one giant ball of death that lazers evrything to ashes in secs. zerg is not even a option cause z needs a total overhaul. they plain failed fulltime there. | ||
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gedassan
Lithuania83 Posts
On April 16 2010 14:16 meegrean wrote: Protoss units look the coolest (except for the ninja zealots). On the other hand, Zerg units look the most lame and uncreative. What are you talking about. Ninja zealots are the single coolest thing in their entire army. Even the dark templar are less ninja (they look like field workers rather, at least when they spawn with their huge scythes). On topic though, I like terran most. Defensive race that can harrass - just choose from banshees/hellions/ghosts/vikings/reapers. The siege tank - I feel like a great terran tactician when sieging them behind my troops. Thors are ok (by far the best thing in them being the driver). Upgradeable bunkers - super awesome. Mighty turrets - yes! Viking transform, I had doubts, but I love them for this. Reapers are the niftiest little unit in the game. I only wish they had better sight distance - they should get a "flare" kind of skill on CD that would enable them to see the high ground for a few seconds (no detection). | ||
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
On pure aesthetics the colossus and the stalker seem silly to me, the sentri shoul be built from the robotics facility. And the way the broodlord and the corruptor attack seems weird, shooting little zerglings. Broodlord its still awesome. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
On April 16 2010 08:44 Turbo.Tactics wrote: Zergs design is just awesome. I only wish they got more variety unitwise... yeah, exactly | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
i enjoy playing terran the most tho zerg has been a big appointment imo, they were coolest in sc1 but now they r all 1a units without micro and their units r all the same :< | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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tancor
Barbados55 Posts
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weltraumMonster
Germany62 Posts
My vote for Zerg because:
What needs to change for zerg:
(I am top 5 in my gold [EU] league at the moment. have been playing zerg exclusively since 1999 so I am prejudiced) | ||
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Jubuntu
United States15 Posts
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Ideas
United States8108 Posts
I read this as "zerg is awesome. if only the design were actually good!" | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
-Queen morphed from drone (to make queens more limited) -Transfusion replace with Infusion Infusion -Heals Zerg buildings for 200 hp -Speeds up Zerg construction by X% | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
it is hardly a competition ... | ||
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NoNoNoNoNyoron
United States78 Posts
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Toran7
United States160 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:40 Archerofaiur wrote: Infusion -Heals Zerg buildings for 200 hp -Speeds up Zerg construction by X% Oh god... I would switch to Zerg just for this | ||
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AllFear
44 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:52 Toran7 wrote: Oh god... I would switch to Zerg just for this See. By at the same time as fixing the Queens Energy Tension problem you also make Zerg much more exciting, new, strategic and interesting to play. | ||
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Ideas
United States8108 Posts
On April 19 2010 08:40 Archerofaiur wrote: The Zerg doesnt even need to be changed that much to make them better designed. Allot of the problems are centered in specific areas. Take the queens energy tension and decision making problem. You dont need drastic revisions to improve this (although some rebalancing will be nessisary. -Queen morphed from drone (to make queens more limited) -Transfusion replace with Infusion Infusion -Heals Zerg buildings for 200 hp -Speeds up Zerg construction by X% if a queen morphed from a drone, isn't it actually much more available? You only have a few hatcheries, but dozens of drones... | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 19 2010 09:07 Ideas wrote: if a queen morphed from a drone, isn't it actually much more available? You only have a few hatcheries, but dozens of drones... 50 minerals, 1 supply, 1 larva, drone build time, drone mineral gathering that is lost I also think its just plain wrong to have a production queue on a zerg building. What ever happened to racial diversity?!? | ||
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TheTuna
United States286 Posts
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Artisan
United States336 Posts
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Tomer
United States105 Posts
On April 16 2010 09:38 Zato-1 wrote: I have to disagree with this assessment- it's Protoss first by a nautical mile, then Terran, and finally Zerg :p The races have a pretty similar # of units to play around with, and yet the Protoss army feels so much more diverse somehow. It really does, I play protoss and was thinking about rolling Zerg, but then I thought about the number of units to play with and said no | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
But Terrans have nukes. I voted Protoss, but it's close... | ||
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JohnnySmash
United States14 Posts
Zerg- I love just about everything about them except (as people have said) they have horrible unit diversity. They have less combat units than the other races, and on top of that they're missing units with cool passive and activated abilities, and they're missing units that can be used creatively. It's kind of depressing because I'm really really doubting they're going to do many significant changes at this point, and all the review sites will still be "omg all the races are so interesting", heck I saw a preview on IGN that said this (actual quote): "so far I haven't encountered any one Zerg creature that feels like the build-hordes-of-this-to-win unit. If anything, I would argue that the Zerg are the most complicated and diverse army in SC2 so far" lol... | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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littlehearts
Australia62 Posts
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