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suejak
Japan545 Posts
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Thamoo
Canada234 Posts
On April 09 2010 02:09 suejak wrote: The problem is all these people without brains. One day, the Boxer of the SC2 zerg will arrive... and everything will beautiful with crazy infestor tricks... Such as getting blown to piece in 0,2 second from trying to neural parasite something and getting your infested terran army destroyed in one collosus shot. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On April 08 2010 20:55 Paladia wrote: I think the main problem with Zerg has been that there is no "wrong" tech choice or wrong unit to go. Regardless of what tech choice the opponent has, Roaches or hydras or mutas has been good or decent against everything. Hence you've been able to mass one unit and get away with it most of the time, which makes for a very boring army composition. Nerfing the general purpose units for zerg had to be done in order to add some diversity, frankly I want them to have even more of a niche role (mutas, hydras and roaches). Compare this to P for example. If he goes Robo and Colossus and you go Mutas, it's GG right there for him. If he goes Stargate and you go hydras, it's GG as well. This means that Protoss generally have to make a very diversed army. Most often a Zealot, sentry, stalker, immortal and observer/warp prism/probe push, all whilst the Zerg just had one kind of unit. Those general purpose units have to be nerfed to some degree to make for a more interesting army composition. I still think it is a mistake of Blizzard to remove a very unique unit such as the Lurker though, since it plays completely different from anything else the Zerg has. This. There is no wrong tech choice since there are basically only 3 anyways. This problem just stems from a lack of zerg units to choose from to begin with. All these people loling that zerg have plenty of options need to show me replays of them winning with it said options. Zerg is so ez that you should be able to do it easily right? | ||
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Thamoo
Canada234 Posts
On April 09 2010 02:58 GoDannY wrote: Everyone who thought banelings do not rape the eco: see Spell vs Koll on Day[9]... truly showed how the baneling bomb works :-) Which one is that? | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
Gosugamers' Patch 8 whining, er I mean, discussion. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On April 09 2010 03:31 3FFA wrote: I just found out something: the gosu players also think the exact things we do. Heres the link: Gosugamers' Patch 8 whining, er I mean, discussion. Haha by that do you mean a lot of reactionary whining before anyone's played a representative number of games with the new patch? | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On April 09 2010 03:31 3FFA wrote: I just found out something: the gosu players also think the exact things we do. Heres the link: Gosugamers' Patch 8 whining, er I mean, discussion. Who are we and what do we think? | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On April 09 2010 03:31 3FFA wrote: I just found out something: the gosu players also think the exact things we do. Heres the link: Gosugamers' Patch 8 whining, er I mean, discussion. All the worker icons in this thread have basically already made this thread GG.net'ish | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 09 2010 03:00 Skyze wrote: neutral parasite is so short range though, I doubt anyone will be able to use them effectively, esp vs the MMM thor combo which rips thru everything closerange. Err ... Neural Parasite is range 7, which beats most units ... excepting Tanks and Colossi (with range upgrade), but even against those it should work very well if people stop using Infestors as part of their one control group of units and treat it more like a sniper who needs to shoot from cover. On April 09 2010 02:58 GoDannY wrote: Everyone who thought banelings do not rape the eco: see Spell vs Koll on Day[9]... truly showed how the baneling bomb works :-) Definetely ... and he showed us "Baneling mines" as well. | ||
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Killmour
United States105 Posts
All the worker icons in this thread have basically already made this thread GG.net'ish Someones post count doesn't determine their worth as a poster, there are plenty of posters who have tons of posts who whine and cry like idiots. The baneling bombing run is something that lots of people have been doing, or at least I've seen and done it in quite a few games. Its just like any other drop, but when it works right its very spectacular for sure. I think if they came out with the direction they want the races to take from now till the end of beta it would clear up a bit of peoples confusion over changes. Honestly I'm surprised how balanced the game feels already. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On April 09 2010 03:42 TheAntZ wrote: Why would post count matter in the slightest? The last think we need is more spam post. If anything, people should try to post as little as possible and only post when they have something to say. I've been on TL for almost 8 years yet I have less than 100 posts.All the worker icons in this thread have basically already made this thread GG.net'ish | ||
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On April 09 2010 05:04 s031720 wrote: Is it just me or have Zerg have a hard time since Patch 8? Think this is because they are slow adapting or is Zerg actually a bit weaker than the other races now? Hard time? It hasn't even been a day yet! Man, I'm glad Blizzard isn't as impatient as some people... | ||
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Wintermute
United States427 Posts
On April 09 2010 05:04 s031720 wrote: Is it just me or have Zerg have a hard time since Patch 8? Think this is because they are slow adapting or is Zerg actually a bit weaker than the other races now? Likely both. Zerg game play revolves around 4 core units more or less. Ling, roach hydra, muta are about 95% or more of what you're going to make all game . The mid game 'meat' units (roach and hydra) both got decent sized nerfs which drastically change the way that zerg can deal with light damage (roaches) and heavy damage (hydras). It's a no brainer that zerg are going to start losing more, regardless of how creative or quick to adapt they are, because those are core units. When you nerf core units to be less efficient then you get worse as a race, period. However, that doesn't mean that the old play style is still the best play style, and if that's all that people still do, then they have no chance to get past the nerfs. A lot of players are exploring other builds and army comps (to the extent that you can when you have a limited pool to draw from) and that itself is also leading to some losses since even if those strats prove to be viable long term, they're not exactly polished right now. It may turn out that zerg can do fine without massing roaches and hydras, or that they need to adapt build orders or timings to win. IMO it is impossible to say for sure that zerg are worse than the other two races right now, only that they are definitely worse than they were before the patch. | ||
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Boxhead
United States13 Posts
 (It's probably fair, I just used them all the time) | ||
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
Good reply. It will be interesting to see how top Z-players respond and adapt. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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