Patch 7 Notes - Page 30

On March 31 2010 22:11 Mikami_ wrote:
I blame orb for patch 7

On March 31 2010 22:11 Mikami_ wrote:


I blame orb for patch 7

On March 31 2010 22:20 Dx Fx wrote:
cuz they need something to nerf at protoss in the next patch, a patch without protoss nerf wouldn't be acceptable from blizzards point.

On March 31 2010 21:47 LunarC wrote:
Seriously, Blizzard nerfs one of the few elements of Starcraft 2 that make army control a necessary skill.

I don't know if anyone's thought this, but isn't Protoss warp-in such a terrible feature? I mean, look at what the Gateway units have had to go through simply because they can be produced so much faster and at any location with pylon power:

Zealot: 60/100 -> 50/100
Stalker: Still fragile as glass.
Dark Templar: Tech is delayed, more expensive.
High Templar: Psionic Storm nerfed to 80 dmg in 1.5 radius.

It's been nerf after nerf and all the power is going to the Robotics Facility because Warpgates are so damn good at pumping out units.

One solution would be to increase Warpgate cooldown to 45 seconds. The exchange would be warp-in speed for troop mobility. Maybe Gateway units can stand to be a bit stronger with a longer Warpgate cooldown in place.

There's a lack of balance in design I'm noticing in Starcraft 2. Near unlimited unit selection should be balanced with units and abilities that either require skilled army control or force the opponent to skillfully control his army. Yet, most units move virtually the same, units now have counters rather than general effectiveness, and abilities are either impossible to dodge (EMP) or are made easier to dodge (Psionic Storm). Even these abilities are a shadow of their former selves, reducing the need for army control even further.

I think Blizzard has to allow micro to sometimes determine the balance rather than flat statistics and numbers. The first step is to incorporate elements into the game that either allow for more micro or make micro more necessary.

1. Include a method of control that keeps units in formation (like the magic box: a selection box size threshold) or simply have armies move relatively in formation in all instances.
2. Buff Area-Of-Effect abilities and make them dodge-able.
3. More units that rely on good control to be effective. This can be achieved by nerfing hard counters or making them more conditional.

Example: Immortal 150/100. Shield regeneration at 7 per second after not receiving damage for 8 seconds. Move speed is slightly faster than Marines' and Zerglings' off creep.

On March 31 2010 22:29 iounas wrote:

Dont worry they are saving some nerfs for later..
I can guarantee that immortal nerf is coming and another collosus nerf to balance it out with nerfed templars so people dont go robo every time..

On March 31 2010 21:47 LunarC wrote:
Seriously, Blizzard nerfs one of the few elements of Starcraft 2 that make army control a necessary skill.

I don't know if anyone's thought this, but isn't Protoss warp-in such a terrible feature? I mean, look at what the Gateway units have had to go through simply because they can be produced so much faster and at any location with pylon power:

Zealot: 60/100 -> 50/100
Stalker: Still fragile as glass.
Dark Templar: Tech is delayed, more expensive.
High Templar: Psionic Storm nerfed to 80 dmg in 1.5 radius.

It's been nerf after nerf and all the power is going to the Robotics Facility because Warpgates are so damn good at pumping out units.

One solution would be to increase Warpgate cooldown to 45 seconds. The exchange would be warp-in speed for troop mobility. Maybe Gateway units can stand to be a bit stronger with a longer Warpgate cooldown in place.

There's a lack of balance in design I'm noticing in Starcraft 2. Near unlimited unit selection should be balanced with units and abilities that either require skilled army control or force the opponent to skillfully control his army. Yet, most units move virtually the same, units now have counters rather than general effectiveness, and abilities are either impossible to dodge (EMP) or are made easier to dodge (Psionic Storm). Even these abilities are a shadow of their former selves, reducing the need for army control even further.

I think Blizzard has to allow micro to sometimes determine the balance rather than flat statistics and numbers. The first step is to incorporate elements into the game that either allow for more micro or make micro more necessary.

1. Include a method of control that keeps units in formation (like the magic box: a selection box size threshold) or simply have armies move relatively in formation in all instances.
2. Buff Area-Of-Effect abilities and make them dodge-able.
3. More units that rely on good control to be effective. This can be achieved by nerfing hard counters or making them more conditional.

Example: Immortal 150/100. Shield regeneration at 7 per second after not receiving damage for 8 seconds. Move speed is slightly faster than Marines' and Zerglings' off creep.

On March 31 2010 23:07 goszar wrote:
Protoss is the most fun, intelligent and diverse race. That's exactly why they are nerfed and nerfed and nerfed.
Terran is the cheesiest race, all about unfair play. That's exactly why they are almost always buffed.
Looks like Blizzard is trying extremes in this beta, which I like. Push every limit to see how bad Storm should be for players to stop using it; how good Marauder can be until players cry imbalance at all skill levels.
But what is sad that mediocre player like me cannot play Protoss unless he wants to lose every time.

On March 31 2010 23:07 goszar wrote:
Protoss is the most fun, intelligent and diverse race. That's exactly why they are nerfed and nerfed and nerfed.
Terran is the cheesiest race, all about unfair play. That's exactly why they are almost always buffed.
Looks like Blizzard is trying extremes in this beta, which I like. Push every limit to see how bad Storm should be for players to stop using it; how good Marauder can be until players cry imbalance at all skill levels.
But what is sad that mediocre player like me cannot play Protoss unless he wants to lose every time.

On April 01 2010 00:58 MorroW wrote:
blizzard want their rts games to be easy to learn. if a unit costs 30 mineral or 55 etc its hard to remember everything. thats why they stick with multiple's of 25. u dont really need to change that to balance the game, they can just change other stuff instead

On March 31 2010 08:35 Archerofaiur wrote:
Blizzard wants to make the player base more proportional with the lore. They will continue to nerf Protoss until only a couple hundred survivers huddle in some dark corner of BNET muttering to themselves about artifacts of salvation.

On March 31 2010 03:50 zazen wrote:
Nice to see static defense buffed, I still think there's absolutely no need to buff the hands down best harass unit in the game (Banshee).

T has SO MUCH HARASS power already...

Z got nerfed very hard this patch. The turret and thor buff will render Muta harass useless, and the 2 best Z units got nerfed too in late game. Roach upgrade is now laughable. This is just terrible for the race as a whole.