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[Interview] Garimto is interviewed by YGosu - Page 3

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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
March 10 2010 18:34 GMT
#41
Garimto is so beastly!!!!!!!!! LOL at KESPA!
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zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
March 10 2010 18:37 GMT
#42
i agree that warp gates should have the same time as normal gates, just use them for proxying people, this faster spawn time + warping to any pylon on the map is stupid imo
Think you got lag? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn.
jamvng
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada244 Posts
March 10 2010 18:44 GMT
#43
yes make hellions and tanks stronger!!
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 19:18:23
March 10 2010 19:18 GMT
#44
On March 10 2010 23:30 WaveMotion wrote:
whoever has the fastest hands wins? lol.

Yeah, and the one that loses have to eat the cracker.
Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
March 10 2010 19:21 GMT
#45
On March 11 2010 00:24 keV. wrote:
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On March 11 2010 00:18 Senx wrote:
garimto doesn't seem to have realized how good the mmm+ghost/viking combo is against P ^^


I tend to agree. I don't think terran are weak against P at all. Said combo is incredibly strong. Marines with upgrades are a monster.

I think its common knowledge that warpgates need a change though.


I agree that if Terran can get to mid-late game against Protoss its pretty well balanced. Where Terran has trouble is in the early game timing window. If you can survive that you are usually in decent shape heading into mid-game. It's not an easy task against someone good, though.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 10 2010 20:17 GMT
#46
On March 10 2010 23:30 WaveMotion wrote:
whoever has the fastest hands wins? lol.


yeah, and this is why casy has an awesome tvp and heaven is the most successful player ever


oh wait

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That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
March 10 2010 20:23 GMT
#47
Yeah I find it interesting that he thinks tvp is worse off than tvz.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 10 2010 20:27 GMT
#48
On March 11 2010 01:44 IdrA wrote:
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On March 11 2010 01:26 Southlight wrote:
On March 10 2010 23:21 Waxangel wrote:
Garimto: Complexity. Internally or externally, its Achilles heel is gonna be complexity. Internally, Starcraft II is overly complex. Whenever there’s a big battle, you have to use three or four important abilities at the same time. Even for someone who plays as much as me, it can be overwhelming.


In the light of all the "there is no micro" complaints, I found this fascinating. Is he (having been out of the "scene" for so long) just lacking in speed compared to the folks posting/complaining via interviews, is the asian scene simply better at spellcasting, or what?

when people talk about the lack of micro they arent talking about spellcasters, but the auto micro features like surround and worker targetting, the lack of high ground advantage and the lessened value of chokes and ramps cuz of pathing and collision sizes. the latency also makes basic unit control less clean and effective.



I understand that, but I see a big disparity between people like, who was it... Louder? complaining about not being able to envision "becoming much better" due to a "lack of things to do," and Garimto complaining about there being "too many things to do." And I mean that in terms of micro, not like Nazgul, who said there were always things to do macro-wise, whilst not really mentioning much in terms of micro required/involved during battles.

Obviously Garimto focused on the spellcasters, and Plexa's post a couple weeks ago about the lack of ANYthing to do during battle was probably before people began using spellcasters more often. And I'm going in a circle trying to explain, but, there was, and still is (it seems), a significant amount of people on TL who seem to imply that SC2 battle is largely auto-attack into each other (and some micro to smooth out auto-unclumping), and that seems to clash with Garimto's "omg battle start massive spellcast gogo" thing. I'm wondering if Garimto is indirectly implying that the complainers simply aren't using spellcasters. Or is Garimto is simply slower than foreign players, whom have found spellcasting easy, and thus the foreign players already have good spellcaster micro and want to micro the main army, too, or what. If that was more clear?
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
March 10 2010 20:33 GMT
#49
Or maybe, he criticizes the complexity not only because its hard for him to do stuff, but because he just thinks less spellcaster-centric game is more pleasing to play?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 10 2010 20:41 GMT
#50
I didn't get the impression he passed judgment on whether it was "pleasing" to play, as he only talked about the potential "wall" it would create for casual players, whom have no chance of casting several spells simultaneously at the onset of battle.

Maybe he implied it, but it's hard to take impressions/implications from "reading between the lines" off of a translation.
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
March 10 2010 22:31 GMT
#51
Am i the only one hoping Blizz will bow down humbly to KeSPA?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 10 2010 22:43 GMT
#52
i love garimto!
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
March 10 2010 23:20 GMT
#53
On March 11 2010 07:31 Thrill wrote:
Am i the only one hoping Blizz will bow down humbly to KeSPA?

It's a two edged sword, really. No telling what the two giants will do.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
March 10 2010 23:24 GMT
#54
So much texte, but it's an awesome read. Please boost tank's and Hellion's attack
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Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
March 10 2010 23:29 GMT
#55
"NeoOmega: Artosis You may sound a bit like a phony TV weatherman when you commentate but your still an excellent human being." made me laugh for 10 minutes


And yes, tanks are to weak, I struggle to make them effective in a battle!
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Audiohelper123
Profile Joined November 2009
80 Posts
March 10 2010 23:36 GMT
#56
It's so obvious garimto is just bullshitting when he says the game is too complex. Hes so insanely bitter about getting washed up that he takes shots at current pros all the time and tries to make it sound like they're brainless speedbots and hes some genius. The reality is that sc2 isn't any more complex than broodwar and you don't need to think any faster than you did before.
_EmIL_
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden138 Posts
March 10 2010 23:38 GMT
#57
I hope Blizzard bows down too.. Would be insane to watch all gosus play sc2. Mostly to compare the euro/us plrs with the asian gosus.
Losing is winning
Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
March 11 2010 00:01 GMT
#58
Man, I remember watching replays of this dude back in 2001. He seems cool and knows his shit, especially regarding Kespa.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5672 Posts
March 11 2010 00:03 GMT
#59
On March 11 2010 08:36 Audiohelper123 wrote:
It's so obvious garimto is just bullshitting when he says the game is too complex. Hes so insanely bitter about getting washed up that he takes shots at current pros all the time and tries to make it sound like they're brainless speedbots and hes some genius. The reality is that sc2 isn't any more complex than broodwar and you don't need to think any faster than you did before.


On March 09 2010 03:14 Artosis wrote:

Division 3

(R) garimtoss 1910 344-159 (P player. 2 time OSL champ.)
(P) FreeSaGa 1843 308-203
(Z) Starbucks 1819 80- 46 (name written in hangul)


On March 10 2010 23:21 Waxangel wrote:
Garimto: If someone asks me ‘Do you want to be a progamer?’ I’ll say ‘No’ but if they ask me ‘Would you compete in a tournament?’ then I’d reply ‘sure I’ll compete.’ That’s just how fun Starcraft II is for me. But I can’t make any quick decisions about becoming a progamer when the progaming market is so unpredictable.



I think Garimto's insight is really interesting, particularly how excited he is about Battle.net 2.0.
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Audiohelper123
Profile Joined November 2009
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 00:15:00
March 11 2010 00:11 GMT
#60
On March 11 2010 09:03 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 08:36 Audiohelper123 wrote:
It's so obvious garimto is just bullshitting when he says the game is too complex. Hes so insanely bitter about getting washed up that he takes shots at current pros all the time and tries to make it sound like they're brainless speedbots and hes some genius. The reality is that sc2 isn't any more complex than broodwar and you don't need to think any faster than you did before.


Show nested quote +
On March 09 2010 03:14 Artosis wrote:

Division 3

(R) garimtoss 1910 344-159 (P player. 2 time OSL champ.)
(P) FreeSaGa 1843 308-203
(Z) Starbucks 1819 80- 46 (name written in hangul)


Show nested quote +
On March 10 2010 23:21 Waxangel wrote:
Garimto: If someone asks me ‘Do you want to be a progamer?’ I’ll say ‘No’ but if they ask me ‘Would you compete in a tournament?’ then I’d reply ‘sure I’ll compete.’ That’s just how fun Starcraft II is for me. But I can’t make any quick decisions about becoming a progamer when the progaming market is so unpredictable.



I think Garimto's insight is really interesting, particularly how excited he is about Battle.net 2.0.
Why are you showing this to me? I already knew he was in one of the top spots in the platinum league and that is exactly why i think hes just saying things to make people think that sc2 is all about whose thinking faster. I honestly doubt he really thinks there's anything complex about it. What proof is there that he got that record by thinking faster and not from having better mechanics than the current player pool? its just total bullshit

He's really old now and had no chance to do anything if the game wasn't very easy. It's obvious he would love to keep it this way. If broodwar is all about speed why are there hundreds of players faster than flash sitting on the B team or playing as an online practice parthner

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