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NuclearLockdown
Profile Joined March 2010
England6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 23:46:53
March 05 2010 23:46 GMT
#41
On March 06 2010 08:25 Tdelamay wrote:
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The most logical answer I can think of is that she went mad. She lived a disturbing experience on the colony. They were stranded there for so long without any hope that they end up thinking up stories and growing them beyond reality. She made them worse than they actually were because of what they did to her platoon and that colony. I would be pretty pissed to. It's also possible that the chemical of the first explosion did something to her.


That doesn't really make any sense.

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Yes, she clearly was taxed mentally, as shown by nearly breaking down in tears. But she has no reason whatsoever to lie. No profit, mentally or financially, while there's a good reason for her not to trust the Dominion at all. Hence, a good reason for her to react the way she did at the end. Also, from a reader's perspective, remember this is supposed to explain how the Baneling came into being. It'd be pretty pointless writing that log if it were all overblown heresy.

And the chemical explosion having an effect on her is unlikely. There's absolutely nothing within the log that supports that idea, and in game the Baneling only explodes.


On March 06 2010 08:33 Zergling4life wrote:
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On March 06 2010 08:27 Daniri wrote:
Good story but on a minor point I really dislike "fekk" and how they keep trying to push the term.


Same. Just use the real term, Sc2 is already 13+ I think.


Agreed, but they can't offend kids. Or rather, the parents of them. It's easier to market a game without too much outright swearing.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 23:56:50
March 05 2010 23:54 GMT
#42
Moar.

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Hmm interesting ideas guys, I see where your coming from and I partially agree but I see the Terrans in a different view than you guys. I don't see them as 100% satanic evil, but more of an "ends justify the means" kind of evil. They were willing to sacrifice a colony because of the potential gains they could achieve from doing so. This is definitely not right, but you can see the reasoning behind this. It's very Terran like of them in doing so. It just seems a little overkill of them to kill the only two survivors, even if they had valuable information of a corrupt government experiment. Letting them die to the zerg is one thing, but a coldblooded execution of their own people is another and it should be harder to get away. But then again, they are in space and.... no one can hear you scream. Ohhh so cheesey.

I must admit I've only played the campaign and never read any of the books so I don't know the full lore of the Terran empire but I didn't get the feeling that they were so evil, the video of the Battlecruiser general shooting himself after what he's done comes to mind. He's the symbol of the Terran for me, sure he's done bad things, been corrupted but he's still human and still has morals.

But yeah I can see the flipside of it, and it really doesn't seem like TOO much of a stretch for them to kill her now when I really think of it.

Cool discussion though!

EDIT: To poster above me, the Tdelmay dude wasn't referring to her making the whole story up just in her justifications of+ Show Spoiler +
blowing herself up.
Retvrn to Forvms
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 06 2010 00:01 GMT
#43
Damn good story.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 00:08:41
March 06 2010 00:07 GMT
#44
On March 06 2010 08:46 NuclearLockdown wrote:
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On March 06 2010 08:25 Tdelamay wrote:
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The most logical answer I can think of is that she went mad. She lived a disturbing experience on the colony. They were stranded there for so long without any hope that they end up thinking up stories and growing them beyond reality. She made them worse than they actually were because of what they did to her platoon and that colony. I would be pretty pissed to. It's also possible that the chemical of the first explosion did something to her.


That doesn't really make any sense.

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Yes, she clearly was taxed mentally, as shown by nearly breaking down in tears. But she has no reason whatsoever to lie. No profit, mentally or financially, while there's a good reason for her not to trust the Dominion at all. Hence, a good reason for her to react the way she did at the end. Also, from a reader's perspective, remember this is supposed to explain how the Baneling came into being. It'd be pretty pointless writing that log if it were all overblown heresy.

And the chemical explosion having an effect on her is unlikely. There's absolutely nothing within the log that supports that idea, and in game the Baneling only explodes.




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I didn't mean she lied. I mean that during her time on Cork, she lived frustrating, disturbing and traumatizing experience. When she realized that the fleet brought this on them, she focused all her frustration on them. Maybe they weren't going to torture her or kill her, but she had so much hate focussed on them it blinded her common sense. She was out for someone to blame for all the misery they went through; those six despairing months. In short, she was dellusional.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
March 06 2010 00:26 GMT
#45
Neat story, I definitely want to see more of this sort of thing.
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Anyone else find it odd that 1 small pustule of a baneling 1-shots a BC, while it takes 8+ full banelings to kill a marauder, maybe being inside was enough... but still
NuclearLockdown
Profile Joined March 2010
England6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 00:53:47
March 06 2010 00:29 GMT
#46
On March 06 2010 08:54 Chrispy wrote:

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Hmm interesting ideas guys, I see where your coming from and I partially agree but I see the Terrans in a different view than you guys. I don't see them as 100% satanic evil, but more of an "ends justify the means" kind of evil. They were willing to sacrifice a colony because of the potential gains they could achieve from doing so. This is definitely not right, but you can see the reasoning behind this. It's very Terran like of them in doing so. It just seems a little overkill of them to kill the only two survivors, even if they had valuable information of a corrupt government experiment. Letting them die to the zerg is one thing, but a coldblooded execution of their own people is another and it should be harder to get away. But then again, they are in space and.... no one can hear you scream. Ohhh so cheesey.

I must admit I've only played the campaign and never read any of the books so I don't know the full lore of the Terran empire but I didn't get the feeling that they were so evil, the video of the Battlecruiser general shooting himself after what he's done comes to mind. He's the symbol of the Terran for me, sure he's done bad things, been corrupted but he's still human and still has morals.

But yeah I can see the flipside of it, and it really doesn't seem like TOO much of a stretch for them to kill her now when I really think of it.


I think I'm now seeing why this is a little confusing to you.

You're looking at the entire human race, despite there being completely different Terran interest groups, as though they're of one mind. That's far from the truth. The human race is in conflict with itself. But the Dominion, the group that the medic rebelled against at the end, is led by seemingly ruthless officials. Their officials are more likely to support an 'ends justify the means' practical perspective. Examples of this were shown both in the original game and in that log.

But that's far from true for every single human being. Not everyone has an 'ends justify the means' outlook, or any singular concrete perspective. There would never be a conflict of morals between Raynor and Mengsk, otherwise, over a certain ghost that was left to a Zerg onslaught in the original game. The human race is divided, morally, financially and politically, so it's going to be confusing if you try to lump all the groups together. Though if you really want to take an overarching view of humans, then yeah, our own vast differences clearly shows Terrans aren't unrepentantly evil.

Just keep this in mind: The log was to help show how the Banelong came into being, but also highlight why people like Raynor need to oppose the Dominion.

On March 06 2010 08:54 Chrispy wrote:
EDIT: To poster above me, the Tdelmay dude wasn't referring to her making the whole story up just in her justifications of+ Show Spoiler +
blowing herself up.


Eh, my comments are still relevant. She didn't go insane; nothing really supports that idea. Her justification wasn't based on an insane theory.

On March 06 2010 09:07 Tdelamay wrote:
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I didn't mean she lied. I mean that during her time on Cork, she lived frustrating, disturbing and traumatizing experience. When she realized that the fleet brought this on them, she focused all her frustration on them. Maybe they weren't going to torture her or kill her, but she had so much hate focussed on them it blinded her common sense. She was out for someone to blame for all the misery they went through; those six despairing months. In short, she was dellusional.


Sorry, I interpreted you saying she lied from saying she made things up. It's not quite the same, I can see now, but hopefully you can understand where my misunderstanding came from.

Also, you're undermining your own point, I feel.

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A group that you point out knowingly left survivors under life-threatening duress for months isn't going to mind killing an articulate and intelligent survivor. It creates an unnecessary loose end. It's much easier to pop a bullet in her skull, even if they don't torture her to assure they got all the information they can out of her, than leave her to tell the tale. That's far from a delusional conclusion.

Remember, it's mentioned throughout the story that there was nothing stopping the Dominion from saving them. Four days. That's all it would have taken to get those civilians and marines out. But, as you pointed out, they were forced to stay for months. I just don't understand why you think it's any stretch of the imagination. Her life, and those of all her comrades, were clearly expendable. The Dominion didn't care. Only when those lives meant recovering vital information were survivors sought out. Killing her after they got that information is no issue whatsoever for such a corrupt group.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 06 2010 00:34 GMT
#47
soooo cheesy
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 00:54:34
March 06 2010 00:49 GMT
#48
That was a great read. I have seen some Starcraft novels in the store and I really didn't take them seriously; but I liked this piece. Maybe I have to look around some more.
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Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
March 06 2010 00:50 GMT
#49
Replay or it didn't happen !
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 00:51:45
March 06 2010 00:51 GMT
#50
Great story. Surprised u guys are arguing over a 6page blizzard staff essay lol. Its almost as if we are grading this... In fact!



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firebound12
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 00:54:02
March 06 2010 00:53 GMT
#51
Loved it. Now I want my banelings cereals.

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Mmmm, taste like pepper!
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
March 06 2010 00:53 GMT
#52
I looooove these stories. Always fun reads - definitely hope for more.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
March 06 2010 01:18 GMT
#53
On March 06 2010 09:29 NuclearLockdown wrote:


Sorry, I interpreted you saying she lied from saying she made things up. It's not quite the same, I can see now, but hopefully you can understand where my misunderstanding came from.

Also, you're undermining your own point, I feel.

+ Show Spoiler +
A group that you point out knowingly left survivors under life-threatening duress for months isn't going to mind killing an articulate and intelligent survivor. It creates an unnecessary loose end. It's much easier to pop a bullet in her skull, even if they don't torture her to assure they got all the information they can out of her, than leave her to tell the tale. That's far from a delusional conclusion.

Remember, it's mentioned throughout the story that there was nothing stopping the Dominion from saving them. Four days. That's all it would have taken to get those civilians and marines out. But, as you pointed out, they were forced to stay for months. I just don't understand why you think it's any stretch of the imagination. Her life, and those of all her comrades, were clearly expendable. The Dominion didn't care. Only when those lives meant recovering vital information were survivors sought out. Killing her after they got that information is no issue whatsoever for such a corrupt group.


The reason why I think she's delusional is because she thinks they'll torture her. She says he's the first and likely kindess interrogator she'll see. I see no reason why they would torture her. She has no with-held any information, she would have no benefit in doing so except maybe out of spite. The dominion want information about the zerg, but if they brutalized her or killed her, it would just be a cruel and pointless thing to do. If they don't want her to talk, they can take her under custody or isolate her somewhere.
We only heard her side of the story, so we only have half the story. The reality could be entirely different.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
Zexion
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden971 Posts
March 06 2010 01:34 GMT
#54
That's a hell of a story indeed.

Blizzard never fail to amuse me, especially on the story parts
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
March 06 2010 01:39 GMT
#55
Wow that was pretty amazing story. I love those. I jsut wish they released something like that for every new zerg unit
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
NuclearLockdown
Profile Joined March 2010
England6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 01:52:10
March 06 2010 01:41 GMT
#56
On March 06 2010 09:53 firebound12 wrote:
Loved it. Now I want my banelings cereals.

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Mmmm, taste like pepper!


Baneling cereal: A burst of flavour in every bite!


On March 06 2010 10:18 Tdelamay wrote:

The reason why I think she's delusional is because she thinks they'll torture her. She says he's the first and likely kindess interrogator she'll see. I see no reason why they would torture her. She has no with-held any information, she would have no benefit in doing so except maybe out of spite. The dominion want information about the zerg, but if they brutalized her or killed her, it would just be a cruel and pointless thing to do. If they don't want her to talk, they can take her under custody or isolate her somewhere.
We only heard her side of the story, so we only have half the story. The reality could be entirely different.


I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

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1. You are correct that there is no 100% proof that she would have been tortured. But you're implying that it's unlikely, which is naive, considering what we know of Dominion officials. It is likely when you consider that they're fine with giving an entire group a death sentence. Also, you already concede that they may have a reason to beat information out of this bitter individual. Especially when that information is something they want.

It's cruel to leave people to die like that.

But the Dominion still did it.

They do not care about cruelty, if it leads to results. You implying they wouldn't be fine on those grounds makes no sense whatsoever.

2. The Dominion officials clearly consider certain people expendable, as I've said repeatedly. It is far from pointless to kill her, so your claiming otherwise is outright confusing.

Once again, if you put someone through that, you are not going to let an articulate and intelligent survivor run free to spread the tale to journalists. That would potentially start a campaign that would do nothing more than spread support for Raynor, an enemy that the Dominion are trying to keep people from finding sympathy for. This woman could easily be too bitter to intimidate into silence. But a bullet through the head is something she won't be able to argue with.

They have reason to kill her, and are fine with being cruel.

Putting her under custody has a chance of her story getting out. For a group headed by ruthless individuals, that's a very naive way to think they'll respond to her. But to each their own.
MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-06 02:05:24
March 06 2010 01:55 GMT
#57
I gotta say, I am usually too lazy to read these stories, but I'm glad I did read this one.
Awesome stuff.

"sonuvabitch" and "fekkin" made me lol btw

Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
March 06 2010 02:02 GMT
#58
Bring back lurkers
Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 06 2010 02:17 GMT
#59
On March 06 2010 09:26 Shiladie wrote:
Neat story, I definitely want to see more of this sort of thing.
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyone else find it odd that 1 small pustule of a baneling 1-shots a BC, while it takes 8+ full banelings to kill a marauder, maybe being inside was enough... but still


Lol yeah, I hope it wasn't that small vial of acid that brought down a BC.
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 06 2010 02:18 GMT
#60
On March 06 2010 11:17 buhhy wrote:
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On March 06 2010 09:26 Shiladie wrote:
Neat story, I definitely want to see more of this sort of thing.
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyone else find it odd that 1 small pustule of a baneling 1-shots a BC, while it takes 8+ full banelings to kill a marauder, maybe being inside was enough... but still


Lol yeah, I hope it wasn't that small vial of acid that brought down a BC.


On March 06 2010 11:02 mikku wrote:
Bring back lurkers


How is Blizzard gonna justify this one lore-wise?
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