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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
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Nev3rDie
United States75 Posts
On March 04 2010 00:18 UdderChaos wrote: What's to stop blizzard just toally crushing KeSPA? Ignoring the right/wrong debate, which I think is useless, this is a fight that comes down to who has the biggest stick, moral or not. Blizzard has a rediculous amount of money at it's disposal, epsecaily if you count activision too, the biggest game company in the world and I think they said on thier conference call that they are the 3rd largest software company in the world in some aspect like distribution or development or something, which is just insane. Anyways my point is that blizzard could easily crush kespa, all it needs to do is set up it's own sc2 league in korea, offer bigger prize money and salaries than KeSPA's leagues do and then either buy thier way onto OGN and MBC or just set up thier own cannels, they have the money. Just think about it now, your a B-teamer or a low grade A-teamer and your earing peanuts in your current team, and there is no competetion in sc2 becuase of KeSPA's rules to stop them playing sc2, so you set up a team or join one and get paid like 3-4times becuase not only do blizzard offer more but the competition is less. And then KeSPA are fucked, becuase they lose thier progamers and can't compete with blizzards prize money and they can't set up an sc2 league becuase of the terms of service. Sounds great and all, but why would they do this when it would only bring small profits in the end? if at all. Blizzard doesn't have the sponsorship list that KeSPA has, and therefore would be almost impossible for them to break a buck on something like this. KeSPA has the list and Blizzard has the merchandise. They need to find a way to sort this out within the next year. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10973 Posts
If Korean viewers/public want SC2 E-Sport (demand) it will exist and sponsors will jump on it (supply). If there is no demand, KESPA would have nothing to do. If there is demand, there will be supply,w ith or whiteout KESPA, with or whiteout former SC/BW pro gamers. The "actors" don't matter, how the game is recieved by the *consumers/viewers* of E-Sport is what decides its fate. | ||
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sib-pelle
Sweden162 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On March 03 2010 19:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote: In the end it isn't blizzard that gets hurt by Kespa's arrogance however.. it will be the proteams/kespa. Going to war with the company that CREATED/MAINTAINS and OWNS the game you base your entire existence sounds absolutely retarded. Yes I understand the gray area involved and the "complicated" actuality of this but.. I cannot imagine kespa benefiting in the end from this "war." | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
The things that bring the excitement in the long term aren't throwing 2 armies attack move against each other but the things like lurker/tank positions, drop plays, defiler swarms and plagues, psi storms, mines and so on. I feel terran is so similar to its previous incarnation that it'll stay interesting to ppl that like watching them already and protoss to a similar degree except with some new twists with the new units but essentially it'll still feel like watching the good toss of old. My only concern is that zerg isn't particularly interesting to watch as its generally a-move business due to a lack of decent spells/lurker type micro positioning action. For me its a good enough game to do well enough to stand on its own in the west but in korea they will definitely want zerg to be more interesting then it is atm as its lost 3 super micro fun units in scourge, muta, lurker, defiler. Even though there are new units and mechanics like offensive nydus, mass units, and the odd new units it doesn't look like there is a replacement fun/critical units to show skills. Once Blizzard solve/work on the zerg situation I feel there is nothing kespa or anyone can do to stop them dictating televised starcraft 2 as it'll be popular in korea. But that will definately not be for 2 years at the least. Maybe after 1 year SC2 will be on TV in some form in korea once its been released but nothing serious for at least a full year i'd think. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
also it's not like korean pro-gamers necessarily have to be the best players if the whole world have a supportive leauge and teams and sponsors, they just sound so overrated so times  | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 03 2010 19:34 Rothbardian wrote: Blizzard should just ignore Kespa and work with GOM. GOM should start trying to go to sponsors for SC II. There doesn't need to be a team league to start off, just fun exciting tournaments that aren't as strictly controlled and ran like Kespa. Kespa needs some competition and no one is preventing Gom. GOM get in, on this shit! GOM isn't all that much better than KeSPA...they're all evil -_- | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
On March 03 2010 19:47 MaD.pYrO wrote: Your replay is just a file on your computer, there's no real ownership to it so it's not quite the same. But if you intended to make money off of showing your replay Blizzard would be entitled to a piece of the cake since they spent 7 years + and alot of money and hard work on creating the game that you would essentially be making money off of. With that being said, seeing how Blizzard sponsored GOM and made them "certified" it really seems like they want to support E-Sport financially, not charge for it, they just want the control of what people are doing with their game, and don't want others to profit from their work. Edit: They don't own "The match" that you played, they just own the platform you played it on, a match is just a series of specific events in time. I'm not sure if the above is true. I believe, in the United States, when you purchase a digital program, like a Starcraft CD-rom, it becomes yours and you may make as many copies of it as you want, do anything with it, as long as you arent making money from it. So, I don't believe that replays are illegal to sell, (if someone ever was to want to buy one lol) but as for live broadcasting it gets complicated. I disagree with people saying that the Blizzard rep can just snap his fingers and close down KESPA. The game channels and the teams hold alot of power and the teams should exert their dominance and not be conned. I see the slight paranoia about it from Kespa, but they are being realistic, in the business world everyone is looking to f#@$ you over. They are purposely over-reaching, and i would agree with them morally and from a business standpoint, they should haggling very high and maximizing every contract and deal. | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On March 04 2010 19:46 niteReloaded wrote: While it may be true for BW, I don't agree with SC2 part having the same cold war feeling. Kespa = 0 when it comes to SC2. There are more than enough TV stations ready to broadcast SC2 games if OGN/MBC don't do it. And if anything good came out of Kespa, a new organization would come to life in a matter of months and re-do the good things. That's why Kespa will eventually bend over, and allow blizzard to take them from behind. What I am describing is the now, the pre-SC2 situation. Both are dancing around each other to try to make the best for themselves for SC2. And it's not so easy as you make it. Kespa has a lot more than 0 when it comes to SC2. They have their experience, their influence and the existing esports infrastructure. Recreating all that would be tremendously costly and something Blizzard does not want to do for sure. To all the people arguing ownership of the broadcasts and/or replays, this is an entirely unproven legal field and how IP can be attributed there is not at all clear. Thus it also makes absolutely no sense to compare to cars, pool tables (wtf), real life sports, or even other software products. | ||
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
edit: mod delete my post if necessary... | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On March 05 2010 04:35 obesechicken13 wrote: They didn't attend because SC2 is "not and will never" already be out on torrent to "not" download. *cough* Bypass activator "not" necessary edit: mod delete my post if necessary... There is no Battle.net emulator out yet for Starcraft 2. And even if it was, piracy and bypassing authentication was still illegal in Korea last time I checked. KeSPA have to use Battle.net even if other illegal methods exist. | ||
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
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Number41
United States130 Posts
Zatic raises a complex argument regarding derived content, but it seems he is overthinking; all it would take is a simple copyright complaint / lawsuit to end broadcasts of SC2. I don't think any reasonable court would rule that KeSPA's unlicensed, commercial use of the copyrighted works of Blizzard would constitute "fair use." | ||
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
On March 04 2010 16:38 Hinanawi wrote: How the hell is KeSPA expecting to win this war? Let's go over what each side has to lose: Blizzard: -Tiny drop in the bucket of their vast WoW-funded treasury. Everyone will still buy it even if KeSPA cries forever. KeSPA might hurt their profit margins by 0.1%? KeSPA: -Everything. Oh no, wait, they could try to keep going with only Korean-made games, like Sudden Attack. (LOOOOOOOOOOOOL) Blizzard isn't going to be KeSPA's bitch over their own game. Pretty much this. While making SC2 huge on the Korean E-sports scene is something Blizzard wants for various reasons, it's not something they actually need. Success in Korea is fairly irrelevant in the grand scope of what Blizzard is doing. However KeSPA are completely reliant on the fact that the games they play are popular, If SC2 gets popular and KeSPA doesn't have the right to participate because they were hardballing, then they've completely doomed themselves. So while both parties would be better off cooperating with eachother, the "war" is completely asymmetrical with KeSPA being the one taking the much, much bigger gamble. Though since as noted this is something Blizzard really wants, they will probably try to come to some sort of agreement. | ||
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