• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:31
CET 19:31
KST 03:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !8Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle screp: Command line app to parse SC rep files [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
PC Games Sales Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1946 users

Every click counts (or should it?) - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 20 21 22 Next All
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
December 21 2009 22:27 GMT
#61
On December 22 2009 07:04 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
<fail attempt at being cool>


Troll
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 21 2009 22:32 GMT
#62
On December 22 2009 05:25 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
Here we go again.



On a side note:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 04:33 RoieTRS wrote:

Actually, I think I am one of the few here that actually agree with sirlin, however, I am one of those selfish people who like doing 10 actions to accomplish one thing.


I love it when someone tries to appear smart by using proper punctuation and failing.

+ Show Spoiler +
"... ; however, ..."


Lesson of the day. I wonder how long it takes for this topic to get closed.

"Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college."

That was said by Kurt Vonnegut. You're right--but honestly, who gives a fuck?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 21 2009 22:44 GMT
#63
No more free lessons.

TY for your contribution.

Zergski, what kind of answer were you looking for anyway? Was I not clear?

Obviously I do when some premature ejaculation tries to appear clever by using punctuation to make a point.

I'm familiar with the German's works and personally I don't care what he has to say on the matter. FYI, I didn't learn that in college. In Canada we're taught that around Junior High.

If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 22:54:53
December 21 2009 22:53 GMT
#64
On December 22 2009 07:44 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
No more free lessons.

TY for your contribution.

Zergski, what kind of answer were you looking for anyway? Was I not clear?

Obviously I do when some premature ejaculation tries to appear clever by using punctuation to make a point.

I'm familiar with the German's works and personally I don't care what he has to say on the matter. FYI, I didn't learn that in college. In Canada we're taught that around Junior High.



zergski....
kekekekeke

OT: I think the increase -> 36 (?) units in a control group is fine because:

1. the max supply limit is like infinity
2. for a good early game flank or other strategic maneuver, it would probably still be more useful to have 10-12 units in a control group



On December 22 2009 06:53 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2009 17:37 IdrA wrote:
On December 21 2009 16:54 Kaneh wrote:
What he (Sirlin) is saying is he'd rather have more strategy and less dexterity.

What some here are saying is they're rather keep the dexterity.

What puzzles me is why a strategy game would require such high dexterity before you even got to competing in the strategy aspect of it.

if you want pure strategy play chess

If you want pure strategy, play Go.


yep
:)
armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 23:06:08
December 21 2009 23:03 GMT
#65
On December 22 2009 07:44 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
Obviously I do when some premature ejaculation tries to appear clever by using punctuation to make a point.

Oh for the love of god someone using a pair of commas in no way implies that they are some sort of pretentious pseudo-intellectual trying to make themselves look clever. I'm having difficulty imagining the type of insecurity that would compel you to get hostile over that.

Christ. :/
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
December 21 2009 23:07 GMT
#66
bEsT[Alive] seems to be getting the attention hes looking for. ^^
If you have to ask, you don't know.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 21 2009 23:16 GMT
#67
On December 22 2009 07:44 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
No more free lessons.

TY for your contribution.

Zergski, what kind of answer were you looking for anyway? Was I not clear?

Obviously I do when some premature ejaculation tries to appear clever by using punctuation to make a point.

I'm familiar with the German's works and personally I don't care what he has to say on the matter. FYI, I didn't learn that in college. In Canada we're taught that around Junior High.


Just saying that you're a fucking douchebag for the post that started this all. Everyone knows how to use a semicolon, they just don't want to look like arrogant fucks on an internet forum, and I'm sure we all learned it in junior high or sooner. Basically, nobody wants unsolicited punctuation advice on matters as trivial as a comma, especially when you couple it with the retarded assumption that he was doing it "to sound smart".
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
December 21 2009 23:24 GMT
#68
Don't let trolls derail the thread pls.
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
RaptorX
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Germany646 Posts
December 21 2009 23:28 GMT
#69
On December 22 2009 08:07 JohannesH wrote:
bEsT[Alive] seems to be getting the attention hes looking for. ^^

yeap you guys are feeding the troll...
I won
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 23:57:11
December 21 2009 23:52 GMT
#70
It seems to me that a lot of people on both sides are completly missing the point. Actually the dexterity challenge will remain unchanged here, exept that it will be complemented by an extra strategic part. People will have to decide how to make their groups based on how they want their units to react and move together, not on the limitation of the UI.

I'm pretty sure everybody will get nuts the day a Zerg PGM will manage to get rid of the unit clumping and break through a line of siege tanks with 10 sub-groups of zerglings.
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
December 22 2009 00:30 GMT
#71
The MBS Wars are over and with them these brand of false statements. The centralists won.
Because you say so? I watch in amusement as you award yourself the crown of Benefits of Stupid Macro mechanics communicator in chief.

Sirlin views SC too much through the lens of fighting games and applies a broad brush from his point about interfaces missed the subtleties and importance of some of the macro mechanics. I don't think I've seen anyone argue against unlimited unit selection, it seems like an improvement, people take issue with the MBS and automining nonsense because it trivialises an important timing skill in the game. Playing SC well has a rhythm and tests how well you keep it while under pressure. It's a great loss to take that away, especially when it's replaced by such junk macro mechanics that are little more than an admission that the real reason for adding automine is to aid newbies, just like moving DTs and Lurkers higher up the tech tree.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 00:41:59
December 22 2009 00:34 GMT
#72
On December 22 2009 09:30 ix wrote:
Show nested quote +
The MBS Wars are over and with them these brand of false statements. The centralists won.
Because you say so?


Because of the direction the game's development. AM, Unlimited Unit Selection and MBS are not going to be removed. Period.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 00:55:37
December 22 2009 00:44 GMT
#73
Everyone's aware of what Blizzard are doing ta, that doesn't change some people's view that it's stupid. The debate is if it's a good idea or not, not something that really impacted Blizzard's direction. I'm aware of their comments about reading TL before you quote them.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 01:14:47
December 22 2009 00:59 GMT
#74
Yes it is a good idea. They are taking the correct (centralist) position, adding AM, MBS and Unlimited Unit Selection as well as new Macro Mechanics.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
December 22 2009 01:03 GMT
#75
Centralist? What is the extreme beyond AM and MBS that anyone seriously suggested? No one ever argued for scripted automation of the game. You're just using that as a cute bit of rhetoric to make the position appear like a reasonable compromise.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 01:16:58
December 22 2009 01:16 GMT
#76
On December 22 2009 10:03 ix wrote:
Centralist? What is the extreme beyond AM and MBS that anyone seriously suggested? No one ever argued for scripted automation of the game. You're just using that as a cute bit of rhetoric to make the position appear like a reasonable compromise.



Manual Mining, 12 Unit Selection, Single Building Selection

Centralist
AM, MBS, Unlimited Selection AND New Macro Mechanics


AM,MBS, Unlimited Selection
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
December 22 2009 01:22 GMT
#77
The centralist position being the same as the extreme with some stupid bolt ons? It's not central as it possesses all the features of the extreme easy macro position and a poor facsimile to represent the manual macro position with none of the features from the manual macro position. It's a weak compromise to add the newbie friendliness they think they need to force on better players with a sop for better players. As I've said having the newbie helper features up to a limited level on the ladder would be superior, most players will never even reach the point where they experience the transition, it's better than imposing stabilisers on better players. The idiocy of the macro mechanics is demonstrated by what an utter hash of them Blizzard is making. They're not good because it's a bad idea, not because Blizzard isn't trying hard enough.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
December 22 2009 01:30 GMT
#78
On December 21 2009 16:54 Kaneh wrote:
What puzzles me is why a strategy game would require such high dexterity before you even got to competing in the strategy aspect of it.


Street Fighter ironically is exactly the same way. Until you have mastered the execution, dealing with strategy is basically pointless.
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
December 22 2009 02:22 GMT
#79
On December 22 2009 02:19 Sandrosuperstar wrote:

young people play sc:bw old play chess both will hopefully play sc 2 ^^


I play both BW and Chess. Whats it to you?
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 22 2009 02:50 GMT
#80
On December 21 2009 15:45 Lokomis wrote:
Going by the quote they're making it out to sound as though the old limit of 12 units to a control group makes it any more difficult for new players or less difficult for the old.

I remember getting really frustrated with the game for not letting me select more than 12 units at once. I think I googled to try to find out how to fix that "bug". Reminds me of the guy who bought a 1992 Dodge Viper in the middle of the summer and then couldn't figure out how to turn on the air conditioning.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 20 21 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
17:00
#102
YoungYakov vs JumyLIVE!
TriGGeR vs Spirit
RotterdaM711
IndyStarCraft 298
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 711
Lowko465
IndyStarCraft 298
mouzStarbuck 66
BRAT_OK 55
ProTech40
MindelVK 28
DivinesiaTV 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17606
Rain 1978
Bisu 1869
Shuttle 347
Larva 184
Dewaltoss 113
Mini 110
firebathero 108
BeSt 91
Hyun 87
[ Show more ]
Mind 85
Zeus 65
Killer 62
Aegong 51
ggaemo 45
JYJ 42
Mong 28
910 26
sorry 20
GoRush 15
soO 15
Shinee 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
SilentControl 13
Sacsri 12
JulyZerg 12
Dota 2
Gorgc6300
singsing3724
qojqva3020
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m295
byalli216
Foxcn127
Other Games
FrodaN1126
KnowMe105
C9.Mang089
Trikslyr58
Chillindude33
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota250
League of Legends
• Nemesis3200
• TFBlade307
Other Games
• imaqtpie658
• Shiphtur122
• tFFMrPink 14
Upcoming Events
The PiG Daily
2h 29m
SHIN vs ByuN
Reynor vs Classic
TBD vs herO
Maru vs SHIN
TBD vs Classic
CranKy Ducklings
15h 29m
WardiTV 2025
16h 29m
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
17h 59m
Ladder Legends
1d
BSL 21
1d 1h
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
Ladder Legends
1d 22h
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.