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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 19:55:45
February 08 2011 19:55 GMT
#16681
Just donated 40 USD to the cause, hooray exchange rates that's only like 25 quid. It was worth it just to see 'Paypal - SPLOTT' appear on my bank statement.

Heheheh...splott.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
February 08 2011 19:57 GMT
#16682
On February 09 2011 04:49 drcatellino wrote:
Where exactly is he making fun of IMBA - Da show ?


Pretty much the entire first half of funday monday.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Ratel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada184 Posts
February 08 2011 21:13 GMT
#16683
Gambino vs lolololol was the best game of the funday monday
also props for day for making fun of the stupid imba show
still a bit disappointed that next funday monday is for zergs too
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
February 08 2011 21:44 GMT
#16684
On February 08 2011 22:53 btlyger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 22:19 Wesso wrote:
That Root.Catz part was awesome! Maybe even more awesome than 12 weeks with the pro's with Catz.


To be honest that was my least favorite part of the daily. Day9 kind of freaked out at the mass queen usage being successful and kind of stepped away from actually analyzing it. All of the players Catz faced could have dealt with the queens if they had the micro Catz had. Granted they were facing something they weren't used to and didn't know what to do, but there are plenty of things that can easily shut down mass queen play, which I'm sure even Catz saw in some of his games.

Thats not to take away from the power of making a lot of queens, especially early. The part where he showed it holding off 4 gates among other things was very good, it showed how early on a lot of queens can start giving you a strong defense to drone up and also spread creep.

It just didn't feel like he did as much as he could in analyzing it. He showed all the ups and none of the downs. He really didn't give players a strategy, he showed them games of something working and told them it was "imbalanced" (Which I hope was just him poking fun at the show again, even though I kind of enjoy the purpose of that show)

It was a great funday monday, I enjoyed the fun games and its really interesting to see what queens can do, but I think he took this a bit to far in part 2. Queens are good, but mass queens as a spam transfuse to never die really isn't as viable as he made it seem. Just take it at face value, make more queens like he said, but don't go too crazy with it.

I'm excited for the next funday monday, Contaminate is one of the things a lot of zerg players aren't using effectively. I hope that if (and when) a pro player submits replays of them using the strategy he doesn't go overboard.


you misunderstood the purpose of funday monday. Yes it would have been nice if he did analysis, but thats not why funday monday exists.
~\(。◕‿‿◕。)/~,,,,,,,,>
LuosSoul
Profile Joined December 2010
United States6 Posts
February 08 2011 21:54 GMT
#16685
counter for mass queens
terran - ghost - emps
protoss - high templar - feedback
zerg - ...... good luck
MagusX
Profile Joined February 2011
United States20 Posts
February 08 2011 22:01 GMT
#16686
On February 09 2011 06:54 LuosSoul wrote:
counter for mass queens
terran - ghost - emps
protoss - high templar - feedback
zerg - ...... good luck



Zerg - mass queen + better transfuses?

I think Day[9] may have broken the game with this funday monday lol
HuK is my idol
Ferago
Profile Joined February 2009
41 Posts
February 08 2011 22:02 GMT
#16687
On February 09 2011 06:54 LuosSoul wrote:
counter for mass queens
terran - ghost - emps
protoss - high templar - feedback
zerg - ...... good luck


The counter to brood lords is vikings, but brood lords are still very strong when supported by corruptors, etc. Even when people figure out how to properly counter queen builds, I think the builds can be adjusted to account for things like ghosts and HTs.
Ferago
Profile Joined February 2009
41 Posts
February 08 2011 22:04 GMT
#16688
I'm curious, has anyone been going mass queens on the ladder since last night? And if so, what kind of success are you having and what league?
Phinix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States116 Posts
February 08 2011 22:05 GMT
#16689
On February 09 2011 06:13 Ratel wrote:
Gambino vs lolololol was the best game of the funday monday
also props for day for making fun of the stupid imba show
still a bit disappointed that next funday monday is for zergs too

Agreed! I would have been laughing hysterically if I didn't think I'd get in trouble at work for it. Proxy Engineering Bay for the win!

I didn't get to watch the whole thing.
What's the next Funday Monday assignment? I see something about Corruption by reading a few pages back,...
My wife thinks day[9] is hot
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
February 08 2011 22:43 GMT
#16690
On February 08 2011 22:53 btlyger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 22:19 Wesso wrote:
That Root.Catz part was awesome! Maybe even more awesome than 12 weeks with the pro's with Catz.


To be honest that was my least favorite part of the daily. Day9 kind of freaked out at the mass queen usage being successful and kind of stepped away from actually analyzing it. All of the players Catz faced could have dealt with the queens if they had the micro Catz had. Granted they were facing something they weren't used to and didn't know what to do, but there are plenty of things that can easily shut down mass queen play, which I'm sure even Catz saw in some of his games.

Thats not to take away from the power of making a lot of queens, especially early. The part where he showed it holding off 4 gates among other things was very good, it showed how early on a lot of queens can start giving you a strong defense to drone up and also spread creep.

It just didn't feel like he did as much as he could in analyzing it. He showed all the ups and none of the downs. He really didn't give players a strategy, he showed them games of something working and told them it was "imbalanced" (Which I hope was just him poking fun at the show again, even though I kind of enjoy the purpose of that show)

It was a great funday monday, I enjoyed the fun games and its really interesting to see what queens can do, but I think he took this a bit to far in part 2. Queens are good, but mass queens as a spam transfuse to never die really isn't as viable as he made it seem. Just take it at face value, make more queens like he said, but don't go too crazy with it.

I'm excited for the next funday monday, Contaminate is one of the things a lot of zerg players aren't using effectively. I hope that if (and when) a pro player submits replays of them using the strategy he doesn't go overboard.


At this stage, this strategy is rather raw and underused that I doubt Day9 could really analyze at a deep level. That's probably why he suggested more people to try it out, as well as opting to try it out more himself to better get a feel of it. It's pretty consistent with his general take on new strategies in simply just trying it out a bunch of times, gradually scaling and refining the build/transitions.
What this
Snoman
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada191 Posts
February 08 2011 22:49 GMT
#16691
On February 09 2011 07:05 Phinix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 06:13 Ratel wrote:
Gambino vs lolololol was the best game of the funday monday
also props for day for making fun of the stupid imba show
still a bit disappointed that next funday monday is for zergs too

Agreed! I would have been laughing hysterically if I didn't think I'd get in trouble at work for it. Proxy Engineering Bay for the win!

I didn't get to watch the whole thing.
What's the next Funday Monday assignment? I see something about Corruption by reading a few pages back,...



You have to either have three different structures corrupted at three different points in the game OR corrupt a structure 3 times in a row.

His intention for the daily (and probably the requirement for choosing replays) is that he just wants players to use lots and lots of corruption throughout the game.
Drones, Probes & SCVs: A mini documentary on the work behind ESPORTS. http://youtu.be/vNlu-K0rAxs
djdoodoo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
February 08 2011 23:19 GMT
#16692
What is the new funday monday?
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 23:59:27
February 08 2011 23:58 GMT
#16693
Queens, even if EMP'd or something, are still amazing anti-air, and feedback on queens is unlikely to be particularly efficient when you could storm instead, and high templar are pretty freaking expensive compared to queens, considering gas is really the limiting resource in the game. I wouldn't call it a 'counter' so much as an acceptable way to deal with the situation, and it can still be win/lose considering how good queens are at killing colossi/air units in general (range 7 AA is amazing, and they always go for the air before ground, unlike hydralisks).

What is the new funday monday?


Next weeks' is mass contaminate from overseers. At 3 points in the game, you must have 3 enemy buildings contaminated, or you must contaminate one building 3 times in a row (contaminate hitting right after the previous one expired). Those are just general guidelings, he really just wants to see shit tons of contaminates.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
.Trex
Profile Joined December 2010
73 Posts
February 09 2011 00:04 GMT
#16694
On February 09 2011 07:49 Snoman wrote:
You have to either have three different structures corrupted at three different points in the game OR corrupt a structure 3 times in a row.

His intention for the daily (and probably the requirement for choosing replays) is that he just wants players to use lots and lots of corruption throughout the game.


It's "contaminate", the spell of the overseer ^^ not corruption ! But yes, basically next funday monday is the overseers' day ! Have fun with that :p
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
February 09 2011 01:11 GMT
#16695
On February 09 2011 04:46 Suptzs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 03:01 matko5 wrote:
On February 09 2011 01:19 templar rage wrote:
On February 09 2011 00:59 matko5 wrote:
Day9's 'Bond villain' voice sounds like Snape.

Ten points from Gryffindor, Mr. Potter.


I thought it was his Snape voice?


I don't think so.


Yes it is!
"Ohw my gowd, Mr. Potter."



It's actually Hans Gruber from Die Hard, though he (Alan Rickman) also plays Snape which is why he sounds the same. But the actual line and mannerism is Gruber.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
imp42
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
398 Posts
February 09 2011 02:02 GMT
#16696
omg I would love to watch day9 but I just can't take the redundancy anymore!

Why not just stay on topic and repeat stuff twice maximum?
The same content (which is actually good) could be taught in a 3rd of the time.

how many words can one person possibly use to get his point across...
50 pts Copper League
Basileus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States103 Posts
February 09 2011 02:08 GMT
#16697
I disagree Whitewing. If you feedback the queens before the real battle begins and they begin to use transfuse then they will get one shot by the feedback and you should still have energy to storm i think (have to check). Ultra queen would be really bad against templar because you could feedback the queens and then morph archons which are pretty good against ultras. If he has broodlord queen then its more difficult, perhaps hts and void rays, but they are both gas intensive...... have to think about that more.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 09 2011 02:29 GMT
#16698
My favorite part of the funday monday was the fact that the guy who knocked me out in the last NA TL Open, VTReveNge, was featured.
Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
February 09 2011 02:35 GMT
#16699
On February 09 2011 06:54 LuosSoul wrote:
counter for mass queens
terran - ghost - emps
protoss - high templar - feedback
zerg - ...... good luck


Infestors and banelings, and obviously you can do the same thing.


The best Tank "counter" in TvT has always been Tanks, just placed better and with more of them.
But as a Day9 viewer you should have learned by now that the idea of a "counter" is a flawed way of thinking. Mass queens is a strat with lots of weakness, such as low mobility and reliance on creep. It's not about getting X unit to "counter" Y unit.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
February 09 2011 03:19 GMT
#16700
I disagree Whitewing. If you feedback the queens before the real battle begins and they begin to use transfuse then they will get one shot by the feedback and you should still have energy to storm i think (have to check). Ultra queen would be really bad against templar because you could feedback the queens and then morph archons which are pretty good against ultras. If he has broodlord queen then its more difficult, perhaps hts and void rays, but they are both gas intensive...... have to think about that more.


The thing is, queens are cheap and fairly easy to produce compared to high templar, which are quite late coming out. Yes, you 'can' shut down the queens with them, but queen/spinecrawler defense to stay alive is extremely efficient because all of your larva turn into drones and you get a massive economy safely, and at that point, suiciding high templar to try to snipe queens is probably going to badly cut into your army, especially when the zerg could pump out basically any unit comp he wants (you won't have colossi if you go for the high templars until really late).
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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