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depends on the matchup, here's a way me and my brother do it:
Me = Zerg
He = Terran
if the 12 lings get in my base, I try fighting back with my drones, probably most of my shit dies, but hey, that's how I role, anyways: both of our opponents have a pretty fucked eco of their own, so my brother has a good chance of kicking them with a bunch of marines later, because when he pushes out, they still won't have much besides lings and if the marine ball reaches a certain number they become too cost effective against lings, so then he punishes them back for their rush, which should either kill them or hurt them enough for us to build up more and finish the game in the next push, because think about it
and after I lost my shit they can't kill my terran buddy because lings do not break a wall, not alone, their dmg isn't high enough if they can't surround the buildings (I know, obvious, just wanted to point that out because it's most important for that specific szenario)
and besides, if we see double zerg we always do some really early rax / pool stuff because we have to account for the possibility of double 6 pool
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That's assuming you are playing split bases with narrow chokes instead of shared bases with double wide ramp :-\
That doesn't really work on something like Twilight fortress. At least that is my experience.
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thaaaaaaaa... fuck that really is true, but still, it doesn't completely nullify my point, it just means that the problem is not that 2v2 has broken shit, it means that the 2v2 maps must be made with those things in mind, SC:BW balance also had a lot to do with the maps that you played on
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Technical issues with 172 or just delay on uploading?
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there are still 2 dailys missing on blip?
#170 and 172
what happened..are they going to be up soon?
or did i miss something
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I'd like to join the european whine about 170 and 172...we NEED them dear Mr.Day 
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I'd like to join the european whine about 170 and 172...we NEED them dear Mr.Day
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\/ Yeeeah nooted that as well
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Is it me or are the audio out of sync in the latest vids? The lips don't sync.
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It's not you  they are out of sync.
Anyways.
We europeans need your dailies uploaded :O Our withdrawal symptoms are getting worse and worse.
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On September 06 2010 17:31 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 16:08 Grachuus wrote:On September 06 2010 15:40 toadstool wrote:On September 06 2010 15:31 Grachuus wrote:On September 06 2010 15:06 toadstool wrote:On September 06 2010 13:13 Grachuus wrote:On September 06 2010 05:52 pygmis wrote:On September 03 2010 03:43 Grachuus wrote:On September 03 2010 01:33 debasers wrote:
I would like some serious 2v2 analysis. Not gold league stuff, i mean, 2x2 does have some strategy. Do not want. 1v1 competency reasonably translates to team environments. Those are subtle adjustments a person can make. 1v1 is the foundation of game play. 2v2 and greater are just bastardized versions of the game. Pretending that 3v3 and 4v4 represent solid reasonable game play is just crazy. You don't need to waste time on that garbage. Just because you haven't yet discovered the fun in coordinating with your teammates in 2+ v 2+ doesn't mean it couldn't be equally competitive or "pure" or whatever. I can understand it being more difficult on giving good advice on, but hey, one can hope I have played plenty of team oriented RTS over the years and this one does not translate like many of the building RTS. It just doesn't. The game is about map control and unit choice which is severely diminished the more people there are on the map. Discussing strategic points that differentiate 2v2 from 1v1 is mostly WIFOM and minutia far and away from 1v1 play. In short your assumptions are off base. If someone asks for something different from Day9 and I think it's terrible I'm going to add my 2 cents as well. It's your right to ask and my right to ask for your asking to be not heeded. You're wrong. There's plenty of strategy that would be applicable for 2v2 instead of 1v1. And I don't know why you're being so against having Day9 talk about some 2v2's. They're used in clan wars and competitions, there are money competitions for them. PLUS he's made 170 episodes so far, with 5 every week, I don't see why day9 shouldn't be devoting some time to 2v2. I don't think you understand what I just said there. I didn't say there was not plenty of strategy. I said it was shite. Big difference. 1v1 strength applies to the entire game. 2v2 strength does not. Don't know how to justify it being 'shite'... It's entertaining to see some top pros play 2v2, and why not. And also I don't see how 2v2 is not about map control and unit choice as well.. I think you should stop there before you defend yourself with anymore bad comments. I think again you're lacking a deep read on my comments. It's not that any of these concepts are not represented. It's that the more players introduced to a map the more diluted they become. Any one that believes a 4v4 is the peak of strategy really has no idea what laddering is all about. 4v4 is fun, not a competitive game for 99.99% of play. The larger the game the easier lame cheese strategies can be carried out with little to no effective chance for proper counter. Coordinating effective countermeasures against a 160 void ray offense is the height of stupidity. I agree that it is entertaining to watch some professionals play on the higher levels. Pretending that there is a cohesive strategic body to a face rolling community is the issue. Day 9 has a substantive cast and if I want to watch team games I go somewhere else. I know plenty of gold quality players in diamond 2v2. So I don't really need to hear your justification of how great team games are. Bad players hide there. Fin. No, I think you're not understanding my point. I made no mention of 4v4 at all. I only said that watching 2v2 would be fun and interetsing, particularly if they're high level. Making broad statements about the skill levels of all 2v2 games is pretty stupid. Day9 does his casts for entertainment as well as for high quality games. Have a look at his episode 100. He's going to be casting his dailies as much as can for as long as he can, so why can't he cast a couple of episodes for some good 2v2 games rather than his 100+ of 1v1 games.
I suppose a couple wouldn't hurt.
6/28 Day[9] Daily #0146 Starcraft 2 Gold Level 2v2 Analysis (Blip.tv)
5/12 Day[9] Daily #0115 Starcraft 2 A fun 2v2 of my housemates (Blip.tv)
The Gold Level one was quite hard to follow and was generally unpopular in chat. The 2v2 of his housemates was hilarious though. Definitely entertaining, but neither was helpful in the way that his 1v1 analysis tends to be.
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Upload you daily!!!! Or else I'll come to LA, break in to your appartment and upload it myself!_!
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Yeah we will kidnap Day9 and make him do dailys 24/7! I AM WITH YOU !!!
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I agree let's go to his college and 'nap him there, and play it off as a frat joke.
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On September 07 2010 04:28 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Lol go play SC2
how could we possibly go unguided into the fray?
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On September 07 2010 05:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:how could we possibly go unguided into the fray?
Anyone care to provide some details as to the subject of daily 172?
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Anyone care to provide some details as to the subject of daily 172?
day9fan.com
it should be in the title of this thread
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I just wanna say that I was top gold player and after watching day9 dailies for several weeks I am now #1 in my diamond division with 750 points
He's awesome and great starcraft2 teacher
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when's the european week gonna happen?
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