EPTBeta Balance Update #9 - Page 26
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:39 Rossie wrote: ....The main complaint against Zerg in WoL is that it's a low skill race that just has to A-move its units... Haha, you never played Zerg, but yes, i understand that you miss the time where P just did a death ball, click A and raped the Z ^^. | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
Ok split mutas, and what about oneshotting an oracle? what about a prism with 2 immortals\ht\dt\lossi even with speed? what about a voidray? what about medivacks? split a single unit? what about all air units with decent speed (harasser) what you need to do? give the follow command on a observer or an overseer or use a scan everytime you want to land a medivack? Oh cmon.. Terran players please stop defending this shit and be more fair, it's totally random and scares harassment a lot... burrowed turrets...lol | ||
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Rossie
136 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:43 Decendos wrote: Seriously, this unsupported bullshit about how Toss "might be the strongest race right now" will be the death of this game if it continues unchecked.so you complain as a toss player which might be the strongest race right now. and you complain about mutas although in patch 8 they got worse vs toss because 7% speedbuff was much worse than 25% rangebuff. oh and you say zerg is easy to play and dont want mutas in the game which are probably the most microrewarding unit zerg has...wow. It's painfully obvious that top level Terran and Toss players are simply so much better than ANY Zerg player. Their micro, their multitasking, their delicate timings, the refinement and creativity of the metagame versus the stagnant Zerg metagame (where figuring out that zergling run-bys are a good idea is hailed as the epitome of creativity). Compare that with Zerg A-moving their ling-roaches and beating 400 APM, 7 base Protoss off 3 base infestor-brood. And you seriously don't have a clue what micro is if you think mutas are at all "micro-rewarding". They're fundamentally "spam and A-move" units. The only "micro" is making sure they don't get killed, which applies to every unit -- even roaches and lings. | ||
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K9GM3
Netherlands116 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Decendos
Germany1341 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:59 Rossie wrote: Seriously, this unsupported bullshit about how Toss "might be the strongest race right now" will be the death of this game if it continues unchecked. It's painfully obvious that top level Terran and Toss players are simply so much better than ANY Zerg player. Their micro, their multitasking, their delicate timings, the refinement and creativity of the metagame versus the stagnant Zerg metagame (where figuring out that zergling run-bys are a good idea is hailed as the epitome of creativity). Compare that with Zerg A-moving their ling-roaches and beating 400 APM, 7 base Protoss off 3 base infestor-brood. And you seriously don't have a clue what micro is if you think mutas are at all "micro-rewarding". They're fundamentally "spam and A-move" units. The only "micro" is making sure they don't get killed, which applies to every unit -- even roaches and lings. hahaha you made me laugh so hard :D | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
They're also far too strong hitpoint wise. 450HP to a BC's 550HP with 2 armour for 4 supply is over the top. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:59 Rossie wrote: Seriously, this unsupported bullshit about how Toss "might be the strongest race right now" will be the death of this game if it continues unchecked. It's painfully obvious that top level Terran and Toss players are simply so much better than ANY Zerg player. Their micro, their multitasking, their delicate timings, the refinement and creativity of the metagame versus the stagnant Zerg metagame (where figuring out that zergling run-bys are a good idea is hailed as the epitome of creativity). Compare that with Zerg A-moving their ling-roaches and beating 400 APM, 7 base Protoss off 3 base infestor-brood. And you seriously don't have a clue what micro is if you think mutas are at all "micro-rewarding". They're fundamentally "spam and A-move" units. The only "micro" is making sure they don't get killed, which applies to every unit -- even roaches and lings. The way Protoss players feel right now is the same as Terran players have felt all the time... End the game before late game or see yourself die to an a-moved Deathball. Indeed Zerg was OP, but Protoss is badly designed and i don't think that it is going to change... I think Qxc mentioned this already, but strong units whose only weakness is that they are slow is going to encourage deathball play, that is just the way it is. Tempest is slow and furthermore it deal single target damage. There is no way that it is ever going to be used for something else than deathballs. | ||
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Rossie
136 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:54 Wertheron wrote: Actually, it made me stop playing for a long while. But at least even during that period the Protoss players couldn't A-move their units and lived or died by their force fields. Which are a good deal harder than fungals. And I'm afraid ultimately the fault was with Zerg players. The few Zerg players like NesTea that showed some creativity won trophies.The ultimate solution wasn't insane, Rain-like playing skill, but merely figuring out that you had infestors. Haha, you never played Zerg, but yes, i understand that you miss the time where P just did a death ball, click A and raped the Z ^^. | ||
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
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Rossie
136 Posts
On December 13 2012 22:14 Prog455 wrote: For like two years, most Terran players didn't realize they had ghosts. They seemed to think they had a right to win matches doing nothing but spam marines.The way Protoss players feel right now is the same as Terran players have felt all the time... End the game before late game or see yourself die to an a-moved Deathball. Not really surprising, if you think about it, that a race designed to cater to the "Modern Warfare demographic" isn't likely to produce the best minds for strategy on the planet... I say once again that the "coalition of morons against Protoss" will be the death of this game if they're allowed to continue unchecked. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On December 13 2012 22:26 Rossie wrote: For like two years, most Terran players didn't realize they had ghosts. They seemed to think they had a right to win matches doing nothing but spam marines. Not really surprising, if you think about it, that a race designed to cater to the "Modern Warfare demographic" isn't likely to produce the best minds for strategy on the planet... I say once again that the "coalition of morons against Protoss" will be the death of this game if they're allowed to continue unchecked. Uh. Terrans used ghosts so much they got them nerfed. What are you on? | ||
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
On December 13 2012 22:26 Rossie wrote: For like two years, most Terran players didn't realize they had ghosts. They seemed to think they had a right to win matches doing nothing but spam marines. Not really surprising, if you think about it, that a race designed to cater to the "Modern Warfare demographic" isn't likely to produce the best minds for strategy on the planet... I say once again that the "coalition of morons against Protoss" will be the death of this game if they're allowed to continue unchecked. No what could kill the game is "the coalition of morons against Zergs", and you are maybe the commander of the morons XD | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:59 Rossie wrote: Seriously, this unsupported bullshit about how Toss "might be the strongest race right now" will be the death of this game if it continues unchecked. It's painfully obvious that top level Terran and Toss players are simply so much better than ANY Zerg player. Their micro, their multitasking, their delicate timings, the refinement and creativity of the metagame versus the stagnant Zerg metagame (where figuring out that zergling run-bys are a good idea is hailed as the epitome of creativity). Compare that with Zerg A-moving their ling-roaches and beating 400 APM, 7 base Protoss off 3 base infestor-brood. And you seriously don't have a clue what micro is if you think mutas are at all "micro-rewarding". They're fundamentally "spam and A-move" units. The only "micro" is making sure they don't get killed, which applies to every unit -- even roaches and lings. Haha there we go again with the completely baseless assumption that all terran and toss players are more skilled than zerg players. Do you seriously believe that? What would a player like life or leenock have to do to actually be considered skilled in your eyes? I think people just see multipronged drops and instantly assume the terrans are much better than anyone else. The thing is, zergs don't have a move like that (well, not one that makes sense) or they would already be doing it. | ||
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:59 Rossie wrote: Seriously, this unsupported bullshit about how Toss "might be the strongest race right now" will be the death of this game if it continues unchecked. It's painfully obvious that top level Terran and Toss players are simply so much better than ANY Zerg player. Their micro, their multitasking, their delicate timings, the refinement and creativity of the metagame versus the stagnant Zerg metagame (where figuring out that zergling run-bys are a good idea is hailed as the epitome of creativity). Compare that with Zerg A-moving their ling-roaches and beating 400 APM, 7 base Protoss off 3 base infestor-brood. And you seriously don't have a clue what micro is if you think mutas are at all "micro-rewarding". They're fundamentally "spam and A-move" units. The only "micro" is making sure they don't get killed, which applies to every unit -- even roaches and lings. It's so painfully obvious that you are biased. | ||
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SamsLiST
Germany184 Posts
-and its killing me if it continues unchecked | ||
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Rossie
136 Posts
On December 13 2012 22:35 Ameisenmann wrote: No. "Baseless" is not giving your reasons. I already gave mine. Stephano is nearly as good as Life and Leenock, and he simply doesn't practice. Zerg is a low skill race, and that is exactly why the game is becoming boring.Haha there we go again with the completely baseless assumption that all terran and toss players are more skilled than zerg players. Do you seriously believe that? | ||
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shangul
Switzerland27 Posts
More space between the UNITS. Please. Thank you Blizzard. (Make Thors and Ultalisks smaller.) | ||
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