I think Mothership should lose the build only 1, They could decrease the size and add a different ability now that Vortex is really useless. I actually think that Mothership is 100% useless the cloaking it gives it's worth the PSI and 300/300 cost. It went from being in 90% of PvZ/PvP late games now where you will never see it.

Wildmoon

Thailand4189 Posts

December 07 2012 10:07 GMT

#42

On December 07 2012 18:48 FroZeN.Broken wrote:
When I was reading the Vortex nerf, I was like "Oh, really?". It's just fucking dumb to give an awesome(at least supposely) hero unit such a lame spell. I mean come on, the new Vortex looks fucking silly. I don't care if Vortex is useful or not as long as it feels a bit awesome. If I'm not mistaking, the biggest problem with Vortex was air units stack up tio much after leaving the Vortex and then Archons totally destroy them. Ground units are ok, since they do spread a lot more. Anyone remember the Vortex nerf long time ago, where blizz made so that units leaving the Vortex are untargetable and can't take any damage? Before this change, Vortex with a few Archons was able to kill a whole army. Now it's only able to kill a whole air army. Anyway, I think blizz should just change so that the old Vortex only affect ground. This won't make Vortex lame and completely useless, while still not being gamechanging.

Vortex on ground can actually hurt mech terran a lot. Just make it useless. It does more harm than good anyway.

FroZeN.Broken

Sweden47 Posts

December 07 2012 11:10 GMT

#43

On December 07 2012 19:07 Wildmoon wrote:
Vortex on ground can actually hurt mech terran a lot. Just make it useless. It does more harm than good anyway.

Sorry, but I can't really see how. Most of the time I would rather spend my money and supply in something else.

Hattori_Hanzo

Singapore1229 Posts

December 07 2012 11:21 GMT

#44

Have Vortex become the Protoss Nydus worm.
Have mass recall to MS and mass teleport to Nexus.

BerthaG

France74 Posts

December 07 2012 12:53 GMT

#45

Think a have an interesting idea about what ability MS can use: Restore all shield of unit in area or below the MS.
Of course the prize and details have to be think but that could be an option i guess.

KillingVector

United States96 Posts

December 07 2012 14:00 GMT

#46

You should add an option to have it removed from the game altogether. Even though vortex is now nerfed into oblivion (which I think is good), I still think it has no business being in the game. It still has cloaking which makes it a super strong support unit. Having a "hero unit" fill this role can only encourage death balling. I think the game would be better off with its removal.

LavaLava

United States235 Posts

December 07 2012 17:52 GMT

#47

I like how they decided they didn't want the mothership in the game, and then they created a new and vital defensive unit called the Mothership Core the purpose of which is to serve as Stage One of the Mothership's construction while still having access to good spells.

Next maybe they'll decide that they really don't like Roaches, and want to see them phased out, but then make the Roach Warren the entire design focus of Zerg. You know, just the structure.

Don't make any fucking Roaches though. That's for lowly casuals.

MasterFwiffo

United States97 Posts

December 07 2012 18:40 GMT

#48

So Vortex only kills one unit, but it can't be a massive, right? That's silly. If they make it at least effect Massive, that could give it a One Shot Kill utility for some of the bigger, scarier units. It wouldn't be super powerful, but it would still have some limited utility...

rezoacken

Canada2719 Posts

December 07 2012 18:48 GMT

#49

Remove mothership. Having such a unit in a game like starcraft never made any sense so far and keeping it in the game is just counter productive.

Remove it, replace it by a real unit (or base defenses, abilities) that serves a purpose.

LuisFrost

Mexico130 Posts

December 07 2012 18:50 GMT

#50

On December 07 2012 23:00 KillingVector wrote:
You should add an option to have it removed from the game altogether. Even though vortex is now nerfed into oblivion (which I think is good), I still think it has no business being in the game. It still has cloaking which makes it a super strong support unit. Having a "hero unit" fill this role can only encourage death balling. I think the game would be better off with its removal.

What? Cloaking is not super strong. It hurts the mothership, makes it easier for corruptors and vikings to kill it. It doesn't need to be removed if it's a pointless unit, which it is without vortex.

Pabs

93 Posts

December 07 2012 20:56 GMT

#51

Is anyone considering how amazing being able to kill off 2-3 key units is at the begining of a battle? I think the mothership may see more play than many expect.

SuperYo1000

United States880 Posts

December 07 2012 21:05 GMT

#52

On December 08 2012 05:56 Pabs wrote:
Is anyone considering how amazing being able to kill off 2-3 key units is at the begining of a battle? I think the mothership may see more play than many expect.

first off 3 key units? You can only build 1 mothership, full energy allows only 2 vortex. Dont forget that these key units you talk about cant be a massive unit, so no Thor, BC, Colossus, Archon, Carrier, Ultralisk, Broodlord. So I doubt anyone is going to rush to the 400 400 mothership and wait 3 minutes to gain enough energy to vortex 2 ghost.

HeavenResign

United States702 Posts

December 07 2012 21:06 GMT

#53

I am unsure what key units there are in any unit composition that aren't massive in any match-up by the time you get a full mothership out, though. Vipers are the closest thing that come to mind if that turns out to be a common strategy.

larse

1611 Posts

December 07 2012 21:09 GMT

#54

I'm a little sad that you can't do BW style mass recall anymore. Those arbiter mass recalls were the best scenes for me as a teenager.

gedatsu

1286 Posts

December 07 2012 21:14 GMT

#55

I want to see them try the old Phoenix spell Overload on the mothership. You should be punished for letting that flying turtle float up to you; expect him to ruin your tank line if you do.

nottapro

202 Posts

December 07 2012 21:15 GMT

#56

vortex just needs a rework to something less silly looking. keep the mothership, its awesome!

Captain Peabody

United States3128 Posts

December 07 2012 21:28 GMT

#57

I support the Scoutification of the Mothership.

I mean, I liked it when the Mothership was a viable competitive unit, but since they're not going to do that for various good reasons, let's go all out.

I want the Planet Cracker back.

K_osss

United States113 Posts

December 07 2012 21:45 GMT

#58

Is the new vortex 100 energy still? I've not seen any confirmation/debunking of that yet.

Von

United States363 Posts

December 07 2012 21:48 GMT

#59

The hero unit doesn't belong in this game for competitive play imo.

Toss should not need it.

MS Core on the other hand adds a lot of interesting depth to the game. They should polish that concept,
balance it perfectly.

Then drop the Mothership entirely

Captain Peabody

United States3128 Posts

December 07 2012 21:56 GMT

#60

I WANT MY SCOUT, GOSH DARN IT!

We need at least one useless unit in this game (preferably Protoss) that only exists to be used as BM. The people demand it!